- A few days ago, MK reported that KJ is challenging DAP leadership to announce the number of Malay members of the party to prove that it is a multiracial party. What is KJ up to? Why does he continue playing along the racial lines in Malaysian politics? Personally KJ has no rights to raise such a question considering that he is the Youth Chief of a non-multiracial party or better still mono-ethnic party. Isn’t it that UMNO constitution clearly forbids non-Malays from joining the party? One has to be Malay first before they can join UMNO. Theoretically it is not difficult in this country to be Malay but even then there is no guarantee that one can be UMNO member.
- In the case of DAP, the constitution clearly says that it is open to Malaysian of all races. To be considered a multiracial party, there is no minimum number of any ethnic group is required. There is no denying that ethnic Chinese and Indian dominate the party but there are scores of Malay members. To label DAP as not a multiracial party is unfair as it has members from every ethnic group. Unless there are proof that party has rejected any application by any quarters on the basis of ethnicity, then it would not be fair to label the party as non multiracial.
- What need to be question is why the Malays are not joining DAP in droves? The reason is very clear. From the day they were formed after the split with PAP of Singapore in 1965, BN has been labeling them negatively. In fact at one stage the government was able to associate the opposition (particularly DAP) as close as pariahs or as untouchable as the communist. The effect can be seen with a simple survey on what the suburbs people think of the DAP. Many of the elder people that I talked to feels exactly as I what had described. It is sad to see that DAP has become the victim of negative indoctrination by the government. Being the remnant group of the original PAP in Singapore, they were further marginalized.
- I don’t know what criteria others used in deciding the political party that they want to join. I would look at the objectives and the selection process of the office bearers. If the objectives is not about Malaysia first and the structure and election process are done in such a way that it is protective of the incumbent position than I would not join such a party. I would not join any political party that uses ethnicity or religion as the criteria of membership.
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Two points I want to make. One I think argument against race base political parties on one hand and support for different separate school on the other is fundamentally flawed and non sequitor. You cannot condemn racial bias conduct on one hand but perpetuate racial segregation, biasness and bigotry on the other hand.
Two, I think many malaysians are just confounded by sloganeering. I think way forward we should have two distinct political schism. One bn should maintain as they are and pr evolved into one multiracial party.
Bn model must be maintained. Its a model where they recognize each race and amalgamate various races interests into one component party. It allows people with ethnic concern a platform to forward their views. Thus those who want vernacular, religious schools, malay rights, ethnic based issues has a platform addressing their concern.
Pr meanwhile must move along a multiracial party who fight for malaysian first. An egalitarian platform where race and religion are subordinated. It’s a platform for people who believe in policies be dictated by common goals ie being Malaysian and not by race or religion.
Then both compete. We then have a clear ideological schism. Right now both trying to imitate another without giving us much choice. For example it makes no sense for hindraf who fight based on racial cause to be with pr who claims to be above race based politics. Vice versa for bn find who find it tough going to sell its 1malaysia.
People now are in a state of flux and confusion. To many they want a two party system simply to get rid of Umno. It cannot be like this. Pr must make a clear ideological platform for us to choose. It just cannot focus on governance issues as bn can easily counter it such as the initial idea of direct handout by pr in the budget which bn is playing to the hilt. Or the ISA, economic, social and other issues.
Though governance is a major issue the ideological issue must set them apart like the republicans and democrats with conservatives and liberals. Then we can see where Malaysians stand.
As is, if we’re going into election this year, i really can’t see any ideological differences. Pr is still an amalgamation of religion (PAS), race (DAP) and sorry to say personal interest (PKR). Thus we decide on governance issues like economy, social problems, crimes, corruption etc etc. ( People now realise both will still make us “bankcrupt” for the deficit budget and huge handout. )
We malaysians deserve a better choice. ABU as I see it is sidestepping these issues and make less demand of our wants of PR.
Ps. Before people start arguing why I classify DAP under race, I better justify. The Sarawak election epitomized this. DAP won based on Chinese votes. They were entasked to get Chinese votes. Pru 13 is no difference. Way forward for pr to show its not race based is to put PAS in Chinese area n DAp in majority Muslims. The election strategy for DAP to tackle and take up Chinese areas PAS Muslims areas and PKR lain-lain to me reflects a race based political approach. It shows even within PR they accept DAP as race based party. It may be necessarily expedient politically, but as I said its no different from BN. Let’s make us have a choice.
Rafick, perhaps you can take this particular Ellese writing as one guest post?
Ellese, my personal view, most people don’t care about ideology, race/religion base or vernacular, the grudge is on governance. The former can be mitigated and transformed via education, it is a long term objective while the latter must be resolved immediately and can be resolved immediately.
sorry la.. my blog is for me to express only
yes hua yong education is the answer to our society rotting core.
but our system of education in different school ,in different language and different slant on the truth , and still call it a multiracial schooling system.
what a great idea .
WE cant even get a true mulitracial schooling system going,forget about a multiracial party. Its a Bullshit dream .
Our society is being torn apart by all the politician, for their own interest .
Is multiracial party the way forward? My opinion is yes, but not because Malaysian are getting less racism, rather the racial demographic change alleviate the fear of losing power, the seize mentality and paranoia is getting less and less effective a tool to unify, what people look forward is a government that is responsive, accountable and with reasonably quality of governance. Vernacular school and Christianity is perhaps the final justification to defend a elitist polity that were managed by a group of elite ironically with multiracial background.
I don’t understand the logic why primary education is about cohesive while tertiary education is about quality, it sound absurd to me. My close friend with national school background often criticize the segregated school policy but what beat me is that he send his kids to Singapore, his concern is purely quality but if comparison is made between him and one that send the kids to a SRJKC, what is his contribution to a cohesive society, and how is his mentality different from one that want to send their kids to overseas university and one that believe SRJKC offer a better quality? The coarse to one school is quality education, and in our case, a choice of language as well, but we put the blame on racial attitude, I think this is wrong.
Dear Hua Yong,
Weve had this long debate quite a while ago. Believe you know my position. And i thought we had moved towards a certain understanding on this.
I believe when you implement policy you should look at the effect of the policy. It’s not the other way around to see whether vernacular schools restrict other races. We should not support policies which fragment our education especially if it segregates our children into racial silos and cluster. Assuming I take and expand your argument through, where we have all types of vernacular schools for all mother tounge languages, the Chinese will send to the Chinese school,the Malays to Malay and religious schools, Indians, Sikhs Melanau kelantanese etc into their own school coz each one prefer their own culture. The net effect is like what happen to my children where she has only one non Malay friend in the class and less than a handful for the whole stream. I cannot be sending her to Chinese school to befriend a Chinese nor to Tamil school just to have Indian friends. The policy is fundamentally flawed.
If we believe in Malaysian first putting race secondary there can only be one conclusion: A national school.
I can somewhat accept if mca fight for vernacular school as they without shame admit they fight for chinese culture and interest. But its pure inconsistent for DAP to fight for this as such policy of fragmenting our educational system clearly goes against putting malaysian first above all.
As to whether it’s racist depends on perception but our current understanding interprets as such. We have come to accept that anyone who puts race interest first rather than Malaysian first is now regarded as racist. See TSMY statement he is a malay first. By this same definition espoused/ backed by DAP there’s no other conclusion but to conclude those who support policy of putting race factor and interest above Malaysian first interest would ipso facto be racist. On this score TSMy and DAp are on equal footing. Calling one racist would certainly make the other one racist as well.
Ellese, me and you trying to achieve the same, we are asking others not to stereotype, in my case is DAP while yours is BN (ABU?). I talk very less about race and racism because I think most of us are equally racial while pointing our finger accusing others. In short, I am not really talk about vernacular school and race, my opinion is solely a food for thought and seek further understand whether your argument that base on ideology is valid or not, or is this what we Malaysian look forward? I am skeptical but we can explore further.
Noted. we move on. It’s just my thoughts that in the main, political ideology will sustain the sustenability of political parties and this differentiation provide cause and loyalty for core supporters. Was reading the newt and Romney GOP Primaries where they were reaching out to the conservatives as opposed to liberals of democrats. Coming back home, I think more people will see similarities between bn and pr if Najib tackles the many governance issues. Pr needs a clearer articulation than a compendium of varied interest groups. And I thought Malaysian first is a good move but must be followed up with action.
SRJKC is not a Chinese school, the medium is Chinese and therefore I would call it a Chinese language school, similar to DAP, SRJKC is open for all. You can choose to join DAP and enroll to SRJKC or refuse, the crux is choice, but I can’t join UMNO and you can’t join MCA, and there is schools in Malaysia not open to everyone, but that is fine as long as the majority agree.
My reading is that DAP defend the right to choose, not really defend only the Chinese right to Mandarin, I don’t see the logic to fall into false dichotomy like multiracial and MF must be a one school devotee. And there is a faction in DAP that support 1 school though not in an obvious manner, but like I said, you have a choice in DAP, one school might not be the mainstream thought now but one can change it. The one school pusher can work closely with DAP if they find BN fail them.
PS/ Rafick, you are right to stick to your way, my apology.
You going round the bush. Most important is how to get Malaysian children in their formative age to study, play, mix around and to get to know each other better. It has to be schooling under one roof- if this is not accepted we can justify by providing all kind of excuses;language, quality, religious indoctrination, culture needs. The acceptance by many is not there !
AK, I can agree with you but how to get there and how to gain acceptance? We can’t simply label something with the name “national” and expect issue solve, this would not work in the long term, even without SRJKC, people would still go for private schooling or Singapore or whatever. I don’t see how I am different with you when you expect both BN and PR compete on governance and efficiency while I suggest education is about quality, one school is not difficult to replicate, just take a peek down south, thousand and thousand of Johorian don’t do to SRJKC, they spend two hours daily just to cross over the causeway, to and fro.
It is an egg and chicken situation. When the buy in is there , the other issues on quality, etc, etc, etc should kick in. The KPI should be on the outcome and one of it is fostering our children with the true Malaysian spirit from young. Problem is that no race wants to compromise its position and each race champion its cause for political expediency as always.
By looking at most 2 party system in the world, I don’t really see there is a very clear cut in term of ideology or even economy policy, there are both similarity and dissimilarity, I think your suggestion is too ideal. The gauge is still on governance, PR deficit budget doesn’t mean poor governance and vice versa, and this apply to BN as well.
Dear Ellese,
What you say is factually accurate. However, most of the contemporary grievances of the people are against the government of the day, hence, it explains the contemporary political crusades of the DAP/PAS/PKR and the people. And you put it correctly, PR is no different from BN buy it may be necessarily expedient politically because PRU13 can be anytime now.
On your comment “PR is still an amalgamation of religion (PAS), race (DAP) and sorry to say personal interest (PKR)”: Please let me explain a bit on religion.
I am not a PAS member. As I see it.. Islam has an authentic vision of its own future which is in sharp contrast to other political visions. It is focused on finding an Islamic alternative to the colonial heritage, the ‘Islamic State’. And not surprisingly, the notion of an ‘Islamic State’ and the political process towards its realization has become the target of the invective of the non Muslims because Islam has been projected as deranged, militant and violent worldwide. There is mountain of fabrications created by non Muslims to project Islam as such.
My opinion is that the basic structures of political ideas in the Qur’an are neutral, and thus Muslims should move away from a fundamentalist approach if the Muslim world is to survive the challenge confronting it.
Bro Zul,
I buy your para 4,…..it’s a fact and I hope my muslim friends will buy it……and work towards achieving it.
Man, you’re deep. I don’t disagree with any of your point but need clarification on what you mean by “basic structure of political ideas”. Are you referring to way a leader should be elected eg democracy, monarchy etc or ideas like Marxism, liberal democracy, capitalism etc. or I got it totally wrong:-).
What I want to say Ellese is that Prophet Muhammad [saw] constantly cautioned his followers not to dwell on the legalities of the practice of religion precisely in order to avoid its becoming a kind of impositional straightjacket, and hence, a misconstruction of the spirit of Islam.
From the Qur’an here are some basic principles/structures of an Islamic State. The first is the principle of God’s ownership. It is stated in Toha:6 [To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth and whatever is in between and whatever is beneath the soil.]
The second principle is the vicegerency of man and his commitment to follow God’s teachings. This is revealed in The Cattle: 165 [It is He who hath made you His agents, inheritors of the earth: He hath raised you in ranks, some above others: That He may try you in the gifts He hath given you: For thy Lord is quick in punishment: Yet He is indeed Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.]
Thus, man’s right to wealth and property is as vicegerent of God, who has defined man’s role and responsibility. So man’s freedom to use wealth and property is limited by His teachings. The divine commandments on how this trust is to be fulfilled are set out in the Sharia laws.
Principle number three is the integration of moral values with economic action. Since God is the creator of man and wealth, and since the property of man is acquired by legacy or proxy from God, then man must follow His teachings. The verses in Toha: 123-124 reveal this point: [But when there come to unto you from me a guidance, then whosoever follows My guidance, will not go astray nor fall into misery. But whosoever turns away from My message, verily for him is life narrowed down, and I shall raise him blind on the Day of Judgment].
The fourth principle is the principle of positive attitude towards economic action and economic development. Owners of wealth have a duty towards God to manage the wealth entrusted to them in a prudent manner, neither hoarding nor squandering them. The rich should invest his wealth within the permitted domains of investment and without infringing the interests of the community. The owners of wealth were promised a painful doom if they did not spend their wealth prudently according to God’s teachings. The verses say:
1. Repentance:34 [They who hoard up gold and silver and spend it not
in the way of Allah, unto them give tidings (O Muhammad) of a
painful doom]. Gold and silver are considered as money or cash in
Islam.
2. Al-Isra:27 [Lo! The squanderers were the brothers of the devils].
3. Scandal-monger: 1-3 [Woe to every kind of scandal-monger and
backbiter, who pileth up wealth and layeth it by, thinking that his
wealth would make him last forever!]
4. The Criterion: 67 [And those who, when they spend, are neither
prodigal nor grudging; and there is ever a firm station between the
two].
5. Women:5 [Give not unto the foolish your wealth, which Allah hath
given you to maintain].
6. The Assembly:10 [And when the prayer is finished, then may ye
disperse through the land and seek the bounty of Allah, and
remember Allah much, that ye may prosper and be successful].
Principle number five is the redistribution of wealth. Since God is the creator and ultimate owner of wealth the rich have the duty to share their wealth with the poor. God has instructed man to observe this duty through these verses:
1. The Winnowing Winds:19 [And in their wealth the beggar and the
outcast had due share].
2. The Heifer: 177 [It is not righteousness that ye turn your faces to the
East and the West, but righteous is he who believeth in Allah and
the Last Day and the Angels and the Scripture and the Prophets;
and gives wealth, for love of Him, to kinsfolk and to orphans and the
needy and the wayfarer and those who ask, and to set slaves free;
and observe proper worship and payeth the poor-due].
The final principle which is of much importance to the Islamic State is the prohibition of interest which I have already commented to Doc’s previous post.
In an Islamic State the non Muslims must pay “Jizyah” which is a non repressive tax in lieu of the guarantee extended to them for the protection of their lives, properties, religious rights, and also for their exemption from the military service. It is not imposed upon the children, insane and imbecile old people.
In his book, The Outline of History, H.G. Wells described… “Islam has created a society more free from widespread cruelty and social oppression than any society had ever been in the world before”.
Bro,
I thought I posted earlier but not to be. I understand where you coming from. No issue but to me we probably need to dig deeper in applying these in a multiracial democracy. For example method of selecting leaders with the concept of vicegerency. Perhaps we do this along the way.
I think the future of Malaysia depends on the wholeness of our cultural identity. This can be a road of uneasy compromise, rejection or, increasingly, the reforging of traditional cultural premises.
Ellese,
Nice write up…..,agree with you 100%. Sad to say you did not highlight the reason…rakyaat want’s to rid UMNO…?
If not for their FD in E.M….., they are bygones.
To classify…DAP as race base….., you need to follow HATTA’s interview…., then you can flush yourself down the drain.
Doc, election is near.
KJ needs to be seen and heard. He’s neither here not there, right now.
I actually pity him. He’s a smart fella but along the way, his ambitions blinded him. He was so eager to make a difference in Malaysian politics that he fell flat on his face.
But more than anything else, he is a classic victim of paying for his late dad’s sins. In his quest to bury – or clear, whichever way one look at it – his dad’s tarnished name and image, he wanted to be a step higher than what his dad ever achieved.
Such a pity. He’s actually a real smart dude, full of idealism and ideas, but politics was bigger than him and he was engulfed in the process.
Sad. And now he’s being idiotic.
Sabahan 18,
KJ just chose the wrong floor…4th …means sei..! (mati )
He should have seen KE….., like jibby…., baru bolih hidup.
I am in full support of having a multi racial party.
If tomorrow UMNO declares that it is a “United Malaysian National Organisation”, I will be the first to put in my application.
What I suspect is that many Malaysians still want to ensure this racial segregation in our society.
If UMNO were to open its doors to all races, I honestly believe that those in the minority would be sidelined. After all, in a democratic process of 1 man 1 vote, those in the majority will win.
I doubt that a non Malay will be able to secure majority votes in any multi racial party division/cabang elections if the members in that division/cabang reflects the demographics of Malaysia.
We just have to look at PAP down south.
The Singapore govt had to institute GRC based elections in order to ensure some minority representations. PAP also has an cadre system to ensure racial representation.
How would we do it here in Malaysia? Similar concept or provide guarantees of certain positions or quotas for each race?
It is a reality of human nature that its near impossible to set aside all considerations of race, religion, tribe, clan etc. Its the same all over the world.
There is , however, a whole lot of difference between an organisation which promotes non-racial positions and policies vs. an organisation which is openly and officially based on racial politics.
All of us are imperfect, but its a lot better to strive for an ideal instead of appealing to darker, baser instincts.
Me, I have made it a point of principle that I will not vote for a candidate of a Race-based party. This is very much based on my values, nothing like ABU.
Kitty,
This next election and in fact all the past elections, the party that is contesting would be BN (a multi racial party), PAS (a single religion party), DAP (a multi racial party) and PKR (a multi racial party).
Would you vote for PAS?
your civil rights and right to vote have no dependence upon your religious opinions
Onn Jaafar has tried to do it & failed……Apa nak cakap
Onn Jaafar was a visionary too ahead of his time. I think today’s environment is different from that 50 years ago.
The issue is whether the relevant presidents of UMNO, MCA and MIC has the balls to amend their constitution or to properly merge all these parties under a single BN banner? Please bear in mind, Gerakan and PPP are multiracial parties.
Then why Aspan Alias & Dr Sak joint DAP instead? Why can’t you accept it’s time UMNO to go? KMT did lose once. They emerged stronger 8 years later
Looes,
Certain personalities that joined DAP could simply because their demands for contracts was not met by the PM. Bottom line not everything is as black and white as you think.
As long as there are people willing to vote for UMNO, nothing you or I say will cause UMNO to dissappear.
Consider this, PKR at one point of time had only 4-5 seats in Parliament. It still survived because there were still people willing to vote for that party.
Only way UMNO can go is when no one votes for that party. In fact, my statement is inaccurate. In fact only BN contests in general elections and not even UMNO and as long as there are people willing to vote for BN, ALL BN component parties will continue to survive.
Observer,
Cuba dulu…..,then let it revolve by itself. It takes time….! KL was not built in a day…? Mum had to endure 10 months to birth this devil. So we need to be positve,
There is a lot of write on race base party. It would be decades before we see the last of race base party. How far in the future? I cannot imagine.
RPK has wrote length on it.
KJ has no right to question DAP on multi-racial party. I have to agree 100% with what drrafick wrote. KJ has to look into his own underware before nosing around with other parties.
The ONE and ONLY way to stop this race base party is from UMNO. UMNO has to lead by example because they are the party in power to do so. So KJ, what ever you says reflects very badly on your own party. Further being a youth leader, you have tarnish Oxford name further.
UMNO is the key to reform race base party. When UMNO does it, then only will MCA and MIC follow suit.
DAP is a long way of becoming a multiracial political party but is on the right track. Get more Malays and Indians into the party and only then can DAP be recognised as truly multiracial no matter that the constitution clearly says that members of the party is open to all Malaysian races. But to say it is not multiracial party is also not true.
Agree… previously, DAP was incorrectly pigmented as a racist or even a communist party which bedeviled the party’s chances of success… but today, the DAP’s Setapak Declaration of Principles is no longer seemed to be a revivalist conspiracy or an obscurantist ploy… it is indeed a potent political slogan which goes in harmony with the plea of many Malaysians to accommodate cultural plurality and diversity.
zul
(1) Do you have a copy of the declaration.Can give me?
(2) Do you have a copy of DAP constitution?
Doc,
Please accept my apology. I feel embarrassed to say that I do not keep a copy. It was very long time ago when a friend of mine invited me to join DAP, but some developments prevented me from being a member. Be rest assured that I am not a member of any political party. I follow Hadi Awang talks and sermons since 30 years ago but it is nothing to do with politics… it is more for religious and spiritual reasons.
Doc,
Can down load from Dap website….., but the Setapak declaration…, was all about ….the Principals…that is no other then what in their Constitution.
All Equal….but the Rights of the malays..will not be infringed…, and the Royalty….stays as it is……, and ensure we live with our conscience…..without backstabbing…each other….for the well beign of the country.
Dear doc,
I don’t want to go into details of the pro and con of Political parties. But wish to state two points. One is that the values of our political parties are the same. Look at how they conduct their internal elections and you will see its the same. Two, there is no political party who put Malaysian first. The moment any party put a stand against segregating our young by race, only then I’ll consider the issue. Read a write by tony Phua and see and feel the level of objection to the one school system within the party. He can’t push this one school system agenda. And this objection is not new but been there for a long long while. I also dont buy the mother tounge argument as it further shows how anti malaysian first or racists they are since they believe in only selected race’s mother tounge.This one school system is a fundamental issue if we want to discard religious and racial bigotry. Malaysian First is just a lip service slogan to me. We must get this issue right.
Ps. The US has issues with their education system which is dividing among others by way the wealth and class. buffet I thought made an interesting remark. He proposed to abolish all private schools so that the rich has a stake and interest in public school. This is exactly what we want. We want all to have a stake in our public school. To start first we should ask all our MPs whether they’re able to commit their children to public school. What say u doc?
you back again. better stay here. language you use in anil blog is very different. sure 1 malaysia is no lip service eh?
Proof is in the pudding. If our main concern is racial bigotry and prejudices we cannot allow to perpetuate the segregation of young into racial and religious silos. This is wrong. Anyway weve had this argument many times over and don’t wish to elaborate. You know my stand and argument from day one.
Ps I will write differently to get different effect and defend it. Otherwise people call me cyber trooper parroting other people’s views
. I hate that man.
Remember that Ellese is still persona non grata in Din Merican’s blog. Unless dia menjelma menjadi watak2 macam makcik & ilham. Ignore or just as Hisham Rais has said forced such folks to play your game
As usual baseless argument coming from a person who doesn’t believe in freedom of speech. Go watch your puerile video.
Now, Makcik also kenna banned over there. Perhaps, let see this sub-human can rejoin there. Great to see him engage Mongkut bean
Hahaha. U thought it was me and falsely wrote it was me to get it ban. You are just like Umno you condemn. Making false allegation. Intolerant of dissent. Banning and censoring contrarion views. Pay lip service to human rights. Everyone here knows how a hypocrit you are. Grow up loose. Oops you’re already old but display a mindset of a budak budak.
This time I agree with what you say, but partially.
Do you have any idea if MCA/Gerakan stand against segregating our young by race?
Do you think institutions like MRSM and UiTM are promoting the unity of rakyat among different races?
By the way, do you think 1-Malaysia slogan is a lip service slogan?
I support your view that MPs should send their kids to public school. MPs should also trust our local universities and not sending their kids to oversea. It is okay to do higher degree such as Masters or PhD, especially the related field are not available in local universities. I baru-baru find out that in some UK universities, the number of Malaysian student is ranked number 2 after the China. Each sponsored student needs approximately RM500,000 to complete a Bachelor degree course.
I don’t know how to reply to you after our spat. But to state that I treat politicians the same. Mca expressly from day one say they want to protect Chinese interest and had been pushing this segregation policy.many Malays too are segregating their children into religious schools. And the irony is that we all demand that government fund these segregation policy. It has to stop. Not only with politicians but us as well.
Ps. All I ask is to put your own views and justify. Be consistent. We can argue and debate to find out the balance but should not jump here and there without taking stand and justify. We develop a dialectic discourse. If you do this Ill give you the due respect. Otherwise i have no choice but to keep reminding how you’ve argued in the past to save me the hassle of continuing a futile explanation and puerile discourse.
Thanks bro… I will agree if a comment sound logical to me…
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It will be reckless for melayus to vote the opposition merely
because they hate the present bangsawan melayu leadership in umno.
having parents and myself voting for umno for the whole of my life and
now despising the leadership in umno and their operational
mismanagemnt of the nation does make me look at the prospect of
giving a good look at the dap or pkr.
The thing is the melayus in umno bend backwards to please the
chingkies in mca,
Mca wants chinese school . Ok. U can have chinese schools and gomen
will support them even to the extent of giving aircond to class rooms.
Also anwar when he was in umno last time did provide substantial
funds for chinese schools.
what did madey of kerala did with respect to sekolah agama rakyat?
he removed the gomen aid . And he and his successors got the nerve
to blame pas/pkr to break up malay unity.
Chinese school used english very extensively in a tuition mode [ meaning
run afternoon school with singapore syllabus] . I support this. But the
melayus
in the pas and umno still want to talk of the great base malaysia! And
pecinta base in dbp and among the propesser who wants
to propagate this great base as a basis of education…. good luck
See the disparity. The sleeping mats in the gomen and the slick chingkies
in mca having the upper hand in education. And now the gomen has
declared that chinese school qualification will be recognised…
I sometimes hang around Jalan Ipoh spares shop. And remember dolah
mat mata layu
sold mv agusta for eu 1 to a chingkie outfit in jalan Ipoh. And everytime I
passed thru the
shop it remeinded me of his treachery…
What one must grasp is this. In a spare shop dealing in rm millions, mat
motors are
despatch boys and young chinese men and women will be busy at their
desktops clicking away happily like bumble bees.
What software language is in the pc?
inglis, of course.
So mat mat in the pas top leadership. You want to continue with the bm
so that
all the young mats who cannot get a u education will end up as mat
despatch in the
day and mat rempits during the week end? Of course as far as umno
leadership.,the movie on Wallace does ring a bell. The father of Richard
the Bruce said to
his son [ on the treachery of the scottish nobles on the ordinary scots]
…. that is what nobles do… [play the back of their own people]
Look at the umno bigshots. They ask the melayus to learn in smk while
they send their children to study in foreign schools
najib – daughter [georgetown]
son [ some us u ]
udin-sembab daughter [aussie u]
note: must say she sang well in english . It would make any dad proud!
And a host umno big wigs are in the same ship, so to speak!
Mat rogol and the porn movies
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we have had tambi [aka mat rogol] persistently coming out with porn
movies allegedly on anwar.
Do not forget the hero on the mat rogol episode is our saudara lim guan
eng who spend time in jail trying to bring justice for Nenek Pendek and
her 15 yer old grand daughter.
This konsep is alien to our great pirate – Tun Madey of Kerala!
For all his achievements on development, he has missed an important
element in governance-
repect for the law
Nevertheless melayus must not vote for the dap chinese without getting
something.
Melayus must get some self respect- get a bargaining thingy with the dap.
If the melayu blindly vote for the dap chinese, they will be the loosers in
the arrangement.
Fact: chinese are basically racist. and a chinese will not likely to vote
melayus in their area.
[check also what a chinese commentator said in ktemoc's blog]
Tun Mahathir had come to this conclusion , having got the election results
analysed when
he used saatchi and saatchi as the bn election consultant some years
back. And mca chingkies since the days the infamous racist lee pang sai
insisting to have a safe seat in
the hulu langat constituency always demand melayu areas to be winning an election.
So aspan / sakmongkol do ask for a better term or loose a great
oppurtunity to become a grteat politician
Ibrahim,
To be fair, Gerakan was once a truly multi racial party. Lim Chong Eu has squandered it because he can’t tahan the heat. The sad tragedy actually
I think I’ve written this before:
I agree with the one school system for all.
I agree that no political parties are 100% pure Malaysian. But some are more multi-racial than others.
But I must say that parents like us – who want the best for our children – should be given the choice. I mean, even if the one-school system is implemented, I should be given the choice where to send my children to school, especially when I feel that the education system in Malaysia is not up to the standards by which I want my kids’ education to be.
As for tertiary education, I apologize but I have to beg to differ. Gone are the days when Malaysian universities are comparable with other countries. As I said, I’ll do everything for my kids and I’m not gonna send them to any Malaysian university in my lifetime.
I can agree with you on university level. I think if during the formative years we can be together it will go a long way towards Malaysian first or 1malaysia. At uni level we open it up.
agree on almost a all the points, still not too late to salvage it.
It shows that even you were graduate from Oxford, it does not mean you are Intelligence. Oxford also can produce very stupid people sometimes!
UMNO starts to worry when they see more thinking malay joining DAP.
The DAP is a democratic party committed to fight for justice for all, fairness for all, good governance and good government. It is fighting corruption and abuse of political power.
Rahim had been implicated in a sex scandal with an under-aged girl. However, instead of pressing charges against Rahim, the girl was arrested.
Lim Guan Eng from DAP, took up the case and he was sent to jail for 18 months for his gallant effort! Would KJ or any UMNO leader has balls to take up the case to fight for justice?
muti this, multi that, all multi liars
Please use your regular ID, KTP
Look like many XXX troopers here
A pot calling the kettle black. Did you not admit earlier you’re a cyber trooper?
Again another disingenuous write up.
If you think I’m a cybertrooper, then I’m…
Now I realise why some comments are censored or deleted in other blogs:
“…R2W welcome all constructive comments and reserved the rights to delete or edit any comments that are deem as vulgar, abusive, racist, sexist or seditious in nature. R2W is not able to moderate all comments…”
It’s not what I think but what you admitted. Didn’t you write this:
” I’m a XXX cybertrooper! But I’m support “Asalkan Bukan UMNO”….”
["XXX" replaced ur original wording to coincide with your earlier posting.]
Bro you cannot write baling batu sorok tangan. Politicians do this all the time saying different things at different occasions without need to justify. You actually wrote the above. However you justify either show you’re insincere/lying here or in the previous argument. The argument that it’s your view cannot hold water coz one cannot hold a totally opposing view on one matter. Unless you’re telling me you’re a politician.
Srry AI. Didn’t see your other reply when I send this out. I will cease my criticism of your manner for the time being so long as you’re consistent.
sorry admin, new year new name . Because you sunat my full nick to KTP. t have decide to change it to THE LAZY DRAGON for your site and Helen’s , no malicious intention.
KTP not as catchy as THE LAZY DRAGON. sorry i i
i will still my KTP full name else, where where the comments are less civilized.