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I guess the either the entire MIC members nationwide or just Mr. Palanivel and his cronies would have gone to bed smiling happily after our PM said that Palanievel will be sworn in as a full minister by next week. I have nothing against Palanievel and don’t know him personally but his close aid is a good friend of mine. I don’t know if I should be excited or be more worried about this appointment.
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We are now in the 21st century and currently the nation is going through some very challenging time. The global economic is skewed, national debt is rising, some power brokers personal wealth is increasing exponentially but in general the people is getting poorer because of reduced purchasing power. At such a difficult time, we would expect the nation CEO to hire the best person to fill up any position and not appointing people based on skin color.
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If I am a CEO of any organization, I would look for the best person to fill up vacancies. In the last 8 months, I have assisted my CEO in hiring 3 persons for our company and repeatedly my boss tells me, it is money well spent. I feel the same too because I played a significant role in bringing this 3 people over and skin color was not our criteria in hiring people. The last person that we hired was a real brilliant, brainy and beautiful (BBB) lass. Why did we do this?
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We are answerable to the board. The board wants results and we have to gear ourselves in finding the right people to ensure that the whole company can meet the board expectation. Only a foolish man will look at skin color and not performance in hiring people as it would have back lash. Maybe in politics, it is different. Hiring the best man is not the way to do it. Malaysia truly boleh!
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Doc,
Again, my apologies for this off-topic post.
I don’t understand why people and NGO’s are glorifying the case of this Aleesha? WTF is this all about?
And what’s worst, some of them – people and NGO’s – are Muslims.
Sigh.
Doc,
Sorry, again off-topic! LOL
Sarawak report has exposed FBC; do you remember our first emails?
People were so focused on APCO that they have been blinded by what’s really going on.
Sigh.
1. Just have a PM and no DPM’s.
2. Fill up the ministerial posts with those who are qualified, irrespective of race and parties.
3. The population proportionality could be done for under secretaries and Ministry DG’s.
Dear Dr.,
Unfortunately it is almost impossible at this stage to be truly color blind in appointments to Ministerial positions. 54 years of race based policies cannot be undone in an instant. The people’s mindset have to change first and this takes time. Even if PR takes over from BN race will still be an important criteria in selecting the Cabinet although they can start the process of de-emphasizing race. For example appoint 2 DPMs – a Chinese and an Indian – and appoint Tony Pua the Finance Minster to have some true power sharing.
Pr is not supposed to be based on race. If Anwar is pm, would not pas be entitled to dpm post? DAP will put a Chinese as dpm. So do we purposely create another post for Indian dpm?
Are we to have then 3 dpms? Would this not only deepen race based politics? Why is 2/3 different race dpms structure superior than race based political parties structure of bn? Anyway don’t you think 3 dpm structure is a bit too many?
I think many have not thought it through what it means to be non racial and the ensuing sacrifice we ourselves need to make. The answer lies in single stream school which no political parties are willing to champion be it bn or pr. We allow our kids to be separated and expect them to suddenly unite and understand the other once they are adult. This cannot sustain.
Ellese,
I agree that single stream schools help, but on the other side of the coin, even if we do get it, what happens at home still overrides what happens in schools.
I worked with the late Yasmin Ahmad many, many times, and for all her dedication to creating a truly 1Malaysia, she always used to to lament the fact that no matter how integrated the kids are in schools, what they get at home contradicts what they learn in school; thus, making them all the more confused.
In the course of all the ads we did, we sat with thousands of kids and I kid you not, but they tell us a different story when we interview them alone.
You know, to me, we just to accept the fact that as a plural society, we can’t escape from some form of racism. Instead on dwell too much on it, why don’t we just accept it and work around it.
What do you think?
Dear S18, my personal experience does not show that. Let me explain which I have related before. When I was in school I had two best friends. One Chinese and one Indian. We did most things together.
But my children who are now in national school are deprived of this basic opportunity. They have only malay friends in their classes (none at all) and mind you its in town. There’s so much I can teach and expose, but it can never replace the experience of doing things together, laughing together and learning the differences and respect of the other. When they’re young they will pick up better. And This is what we are depriving our kids of.
The fact that parents are “racist” at home does not negate the need to have it. In fact I’ll argue to the contrary. Because of these parents deep seated prejudices, the more the reason the kids require a platform to mingle interact and communicate with the other. Nothing better to expose them than school when they’re young. Then they have personal experiences to doubt the parents imposed prejudices.
I think and wrote before that our value problems lie also mainly in parenting. But this a whole of topic to write now.
But I’m convinced and certain if we deny our kids to interact and mingle with other races during their formative period, we have lost all chance to have a united non racial politics. The deep seated prejudices among the races say among the Chinese that they are superior and no one work harder than them or the Malay that this is their land and have the right to impose Islamic/Malay values on others will only be perpetuated. We will miss the opportunity to mix and readjust our values and understanding. And most important we will never be able to emphatise with one another. And this as a social development is intrinsic to the nation well being.
On this score alone I believe having one school stream does not only help but its imperative for us to break down racial prejudices and move towards non racial politics. To call for non raced based or colour blind politics and yet deny our kids to mingle in school is wholly incompatible and contradictory.
Dear Ellese, 100% agree with you.
PS – notwithstanding you are a 100% BN/UMNO cybertrooper!
Huh! Where did that come from? I take it that ure new and explain politely (also because of ramadhan) I am not as u accuse. I’ve explained many many many times b4. I don’t get a single sen or reward from this as none knew who I am. My stand and explanation is not the same as bn. In this holy month I ask you not to accuse me. I ask you to focus on issues.
Sorry Ellese,
NEARLY EVERYONE has the same opinion about you.
I have REPEATLY asked you to FOCUS on the issue and you refuse to do so.
Wave, dont you also remember that observer also agree et tu quoque applies to you when you argue like this. Your insistent to demand this only on me but not on pr supporters which wrote unrelated Zaman Tok moyang punya cerita just reflect badly on you. My write on ‘what do you call these people’ is about you and those seangkatan. And don’t forget even observer agrees with me. So wave, for this month only, if you don’t like what I write, you don’t have to read. Then You don’t have to be uptight about this. If you can extend beyond this month. Otherwise be consistent. Then baru ada a bit of credibility.
“There’s so much I can teach and expose, but it can never replace the experience of doing things together, laughing together and learning the differences and respect of the other.”
To a certain extent, i agree, as long as they don’t talk about race, socio politics issue. I went through the same thing so i know. I saw the heated debate among my schoolmate, and naturally it is Chinese and Indian versus Malay, and this is why I said it doesn’t help much eventually as long as we preserve the same race base policy, one school system as the solution is to me an illusion and not the priority.
I often impress with Khairy speech and writing and I think he is one young man that is smart and open minded, but he have to take on the same routh in order to progress, does this have anything to do with his parents and what school he attend?
Anyway it is a two way process, education and politics impact each other, however I want to see change in politics first before we touch on education.
HY
That’s the reason why I did not take up the scholarship offered though some of my Chinese friends did.
That’s the reason also now I also criticize a Malay who claims to be non racial liberal but expect the government to provide scholarship to their children.
Your experience in school is pertinent. My friends did not confront me head on. Perhaps out of friendship and respect that we had and probably also because I earn my keeps. I knew some were unhappy but don’t think we had grudges against the other save for very few. Why must friendship be sacrificed for things not related? For example the bonds we built in scouts were tremendous. Till today we can recollect the hardships and travails we went through with a big laugh.
It may be foolhardy to some of what I did on scholarship, but I believe by interaction we can understand and somewhat relate. What I ask is that my kids and many others should be given the platform to relate. This is important.
Ellese,
I like your idealism and passion to bring back our education to its glory years.
Don’t you think though that what you experienced in your days could never be replicated anymore? I mean, realistically?
I didn’t grow up here, so I wouldn’t really know how it was then. But I’m just relating what the kids told us when we sat down with them.
I agree with you but honestly, do you think it’s going to happen? My kids don’t go to national schools either, so I don’t think I am in a position to say something of substance vis a vis the current system and what it does to the mindsets of our young people; save of course the ones the kids told us.
My kids, however, have friends from different races – not confined to Malaysian definition, i.e. Negro, Caucasian, etc – who come from different countries, speak different languages, and practice different culture.
Some people don’t understand why the need to get them educated as such, but coming from such an education myself, and seeing how I grew up, I always tell them why not? So long as they are taught morals at home, I’m ok with it, y’know?
I have nothing against Malaysian education; both my parents and my wife are products of such system. The glaring difference though is that unlike my parents’ time, my wife’s is not as good, if I may so. My wife used to tell me that if she wasn’t from PJ, surely her England will also be as koyak as those of her contemporaries in non-urban places.
Now, if we were to have a single stream education system, the medium of instruction must be in English, with elective courses for different languages. Also, subjects such as Islam (Ugama) should be taught in Malay.
Then again, what do I know about education? I’m in Branding, where perception is reality
Friend, it cannot be in English. We’re in Malaysia and must be bm. We can have a higher English standard but don’t think it should be English.
We need to talk a whole topic on education. Also even a topic on language of learning. The Chinese wants in Chinese. The Indians in Tamil. The kampung folks in Malay. Urbanites want English.
We must be firm on this. Doc can open a topic on this.
But I’m more interested in what you wrote. I want to understand where you’re coming from. Which type of school did you go through? Which type of school did you sends your kids to? what was the motivation of you sending your kids there? Why is it better than other types of school? And for my sake only have you read Freakonomics? (a yes or no on the last q is sufficient)
Ellese,
Why not in English?
Weren’t our education system, the ones everyone’s wistfully remembering, taught in English? If I’m not mistaken, wasn’t English the medium of instruction post-merdeka? As meek pointed out below, wasn’t it only during TDM and DSAI’s – as EM- time that BM became the medium?
I think languages could be made compulsory to their respective speakers, i.e. Mandarin for Chinese, Tamil for Indians, etc. But medium is in English except Ugama (is this a compulsory subject?) in BM.
I’m a typical diplomat’s child – International Schools in different countries. But my dad was not a Malaysian diplomat, he was a UN diplomat. He works for the UN and he wasn’t sent by the Malaysian government to the UN, huge difference.
My kids are in ISKL, the eldest is in Princeton right now. I don’t know if there was any motivation, so to speak, but as I said, I’m a product of such schools and knowing that I grew up ok, why not send them there as well, y’know? But they are fluent in BM as well, and I make sure that they know their religion.
Pushing it further, I made it compulsory for mu children to learn and be fluent in English, BM, Mandarin (because my wife is Chinese), Arabic (to understand the Qu’ran and their religion better), French or Spanish (for my boys only; hey, chicks dig those languages
) My wife and I also teach them our local dialects, i.e. Hainanese and Suluk.
It might be a tall order, as some people say. But I and my kids have proven them wrong.
Are you referring to the one written by Levitt and Dubner? If so, yes I have.
Man I have estimated your age wrongly. From your writing I would never have thought your kids are more than 18 and in uni. I need to do some recalibration then.
Anyway I understand your perspective better and also how you write. Out of curiosity again why did you do your degree locally?
On language you ask me why not English? My reply to you is why not Malay? It’s a medium. I’ve seen the by products of those in Malay mediums. They’re still in havards, Cambridge, Oxford etc etc. No impact at all. I saw how other non English native country excell in their subjects better than those in native countries. I’m not denying importance of English, but as a policy after looking at the english malay debates, I am for the Malay medium (though my heart may not be the same:-). Anyway this is a long debate but has been hashed out before. (if we want to go deeper I hope that we don’t do it from political point. I know where all the political parties stands are (both sides). But our problem is that it’s we who are divided and uncertain. Due to many factors including personal experience like S18 as well. And when we develop policies it must be beneficial to the country as a whole).
On levity there’s interesting study and survey on schools and parenting. May be we can allude to it along the way. I just thought it was revealing and useful.
Srry s18, the one in bracket was meant for others. Thus it should be….(if we want to go deeper, I hope others don’t do it from a political point…..).
Srry slip of thoughts.
Ellese,
Do you know the song ‘Forever Young’ by Alphaville, and recently covered by Jay Z? That’s what I am
I went to IIU because of my dad; he wanted me to ‘know my roots.’ I did my LLB, chambered, got into the bar and went to Princeton after that LOL I think you’re still right about my age, I just became a dad too early.
The only reason why I’m proposing English is because it’s the medium that will be more acceptable to all. Malay will always be the Malays’ language. I don’t doubt about the caliber of some Malaysians, irrespective of the medium. But generally, we should choose a medium that is acceptable to all.
And to me, that language is English.
We’ll discuss language another time.
But quite interesting journey. Can i ask further. How was IIU to you? Did you get back to the “roots”? Would you send your kids to “know the roots” like you did? If not why?
Ellese,
“But quite interesting journey. Can i ask further. How was IIU to you? Did you get back to the “roots”? Would you send your kids to “know the roots” like you did? If not why?”
IIU was a culture shock for me and vice versa! LOL
I’ll give you an example, a basic one that I think needs to be changed: It’s common for people to eat in their rooms together; they cook nasi and lauk and enjoy it. I chanced upon such a gathering, and they all said ‘come, jemput makan’
Now, I learned growing up that it’s not polite to reject a meal invitation – be it in the western world, middle east, sub-continent, africa, etc. So, I sat down and joined them. They then look at each other and were like, “wtf is this dude doing?’ LOL That’s when I found out that Malays invite you out of courtesy but don’t really mean it. Personally, it’s such a sad adat.
Did I learn my roots? To a certain extent yes – when I’m with fellow Sabahans – but I learned a lot in my visits back to KK.
I don’t have to send my kids anywhere, they are growing up here and know what it takes to be a Malaysian
But for tertiary education, I’ll definitely send them to the States.
Ellese,
That’s the reason why all your bye products from super league beyond 500 cannot sell. Baik ajar buat TEMPIK…., Tempoyak…, Budu and cincaluk.,now okay can sell durians in China…next market India…, but kena speaking Inggeris …dan tulis inggeris,
Mamak Tun cakap nak bela BM…tapi dengan anak sendiri pun speaking.
Bila Mamak lepaskan buaya tears dekat perhimpunan Agong UMNO.., bangkai UMNO semua lari lintang pukang pergi ke rostrum..konon mamak kena hearth attack…, semua bangkai MT..pun speaking..macam Rafidah hilang sepatu.
So the MORAL of this comment is the assholes only create policies so that their kins will always be ahead…, and the rest ketinggalan zaman.
SEDARLAH RAKYAAT SEKALIAN..
The more you write the more you sound like balasi though you’ve said you’re not.
I think you have too much anger and prejudices. My question to you is simple and it will show whether your write is purely baseless due to prejudices.
From what you write everything is wrong. Then my question is : Why do you say our syllabus in primary school now is worse off than previous years like may be your School years?
Dear Ellesse, who is balasi?
Another commentator that I had banned!
Doctor, I thought is was some high powered Italian philosopher when Ellesse referred to Balasi! LOL!
He is a high powered phillosopher from KL.. I think somewhere between selayang and batu caves. Very nice fellow.. Gentle person
Doc.. it was only yesterday that I asked myself where is Balasingam? I miss his comment. Thanks for the clarification. Now, I am trying to relate why meek said his mom can supply the henna..???
The moral of this is that you can’t ban anything, including person, color, event, it would still haunt you without end. The sound like balasi, write like balasi and the recurring expletives deleted like balasi is valid proof.
Ellese,
They the pupils carry a load like coming out of a supermarket, when going to school and if not for self education outside school…, I believe they become retarded. We don’t have teachers of the same pedigree.
Our education system have churn up so many Tuition teachers who show no passion of teaching in schools..but indeed do the opposite in their tuition centers.
Anyway…they are after all going for big bucks.
The problem is education, not language. I am curious what you all meant by English or BM, all subjects? some subjects? I personally advocate BM, but i don’t know how we could improve English, definitely not through teaching science and mathematics in English.
Hua Yong,
Also language…., if you teach History or Geography in Malay it’s not a problem…, but when you go to science and Technical thing you just cannot borrow words ..and expect DBP to come out with a term.and some lousy way to pronounce it.
Need to call all for a round table talk if the politicians are not interested.., we can do our part in R2W.
But the end story is the Language messed it up and so did the system., we just did not have politicians who wer in a right frame of mind to chart it’s discourse……that’s the failure.
What …how many ‘A’s ” you have..? Just shaft these A’s in the drain…, it’s just worthless….., ask not if you can memorise…ask if you can apply. ask if you can do with out your calculators The system is messed….but it started with introducing BM in such a hurried manner.
As much as I like BM….., I know it’s not worth it’s salt to be used for teaching any other subjects other then subjective subjects.
Ellese,
Agree with you…., let me recollect my days in school…, Pasar Road English School…., Abang AK was a senior but in PRES2 and I was in PRES1.
Our schooling days were a bliss….., we had so many friend from the other races. Just collecting Duit raya and Ang pow makes the walking around town so meaningful…, that was interaction….among the races at primary level.
During that time the Ratio in our schools would have been 40(m)/40(c)/20( I and others)….and POL was compulsory……
Then the streamlining of teaching subjects in Malay…messed it up…I mean nationalizing of schools….., then came the influx of Malay teachers into these schools…., every thing started rotting….,then the religious zealots made their presence….and POL was hardly taught and was phased out.
Then ….., the non malay’s felt that they were taken for a ride…, and they started to place more importance on their mother tongue.
They realize that MCA and MIC were just Ball Polishers….and UMNO under TUN was trying to appease the muslim populate. ( IN ACTUAL FACT THE MAMAK WAS TRYING TO PROVE HIMSELF MORE MALAY )
This started the rot…., and as time got bye…they ( non malays ) just started bank rolling to it and now they feel more comfortable with their own kin.
Before we address this more during this HOLY month….., we must first decide if at all RELIGION be taught at School….., IF YES…, then all religion should be taught at schools.
A Official religion….cannot be the deciding fact…, ” BELIEVE IN GOD ” should be the essence….then I believe we can go back to basics.
Anyway who want to go back to basics….. thats so much at stake..?
BLAME THE MAMAK and also Saudara ANWAR IBRAHIM.
Interesting question which is also similar to balasi. Some valid but some I think is a misconception. I’ve come from a background where I’ve been schooled overseas before. And mind you they’ve brought Christians values and teachings.
Anyway, let’s break down your contention. Why do you say introduction of the Malay language badly messed it up?
Ellese,
We were just not ready for that at that time…., and it was like jumping out of the frying pan into the fire……, at one mess a year created all this mess..
Are proud with our education system…? It’s best we leave it to our cats.
I’ve donkeys among my neices and nephews who cannot even think outside the box. They are just not organize…,
When the mother ask them to get something from the room…, they ask ten times…where it is. You need to guide them to the shit pot…if not they are clueless…., they let go in the stairs.
So wise guy…if you are proud of our bye products…feel fine.., for me I’ll not even offer them a job…unless they want to do hard labour.
You’ve given personal anecdotal experience. I can easily give a contrarion example. Do you have more concrete explanation? For example why your niece can’t follow may be due to so many reasons like physiological, physical and even parenting. It does not prove a thing. If I want to be nasty I can easily conclude the education from 60s and 70s are bad from the argument presented. There is to me no basis of argument. But it is wrong for me to conclude and generalize like that. I must provide better justification. Do you have further explanation why the introduction of Malay stream mess it up. Kindly elaborate “the mess” created.
Ellese,
Go finish your TERAWIH prayers…., and might reply you after imsak…., if not later in the day.
Selamat Berbuka….and Selamat berpusa for tomorrow.
Kenny, why divide the position to Chinese and Indians? Based on the recent census 67% are Bumis, 26% Chinese and Indians only 7%.
If there are 3 available positions, 2 positions should go to Bumis – that would be fairer in terms of demographics. PM and 1 DPM should be Bumi and the 2nd DPM be non Bumi.
In the cabinet too should reflect the country’s population demographics. Only then there would be a proportionate representation in the Goverment.
If we move away from being racists, then we don’t need so many DPMs. Just imagine if the PM is on leave or dies, who immediately takes over? Do we need a referendum?
Observer
Let the best person to take on the role of PM and DPM. We don’t need so many DPMs. 1 will do and no need to waste money on Deputy Minister of every ministry. You just need 1 minister for every ministry and that’s it. These deputy ministerships are created for the purpose of patronage.
For all I care our PM can be a woman ….. can be of european, turkish, middleast blood, indian, mixed, rojak, ice kacang, cendol, mongolian, russian as long as they are MALAYSIAN.
In a current situations and accepatability, I would say PM should be malay and DPM malay or non malay. I hope both PM & DPM criterial should be based on capablility and quality and clean. Finance post should be given to someone with top quality and capability.
Observer/MC,
My take is such…, since the stake holders prior to Independence was the Malays , Chinese & the Indians.
The PM should and always be a Malay…and a DPM should always be a Malay also…, and a Naib PM should consist of two Non Malays ( Chinese & Indian )
The Ministers should compose the ratio of our population.
EX. if you say The Bumis are 67%….., not all are malays.
So this percentage should be shared among those lump into Malays.
26% of ministers should be Chinese and the 7% should be Indians including the Sikhs.
Ratio in Public services should also reflect this figure…, then we can say we are in the same wave length.
If not….it’s just buttering by the guys walking the corridor of power.
PS…..THE FINANCE MINISTER POST SHOULD NEVER BE HELD BY THE PM.
HELLO….how many percent of this 67%…is Malay..?
Can someone out there give a tabulation..?
Dear Dr Rafick, I believe the correct analogy should be the appointment of members of the board instead of the management.
More often, in a company, the appointment of the director is because of the terms agreed between the shareholders. It never is based on the merits of the directors.
Similarly here, I think there is also a “shareholders agreement” between BN component parties. The anomaly here is that each BN coalition party’s leader is guaranteed a seat in the cabinet but Samy didn’t qualify or his presence will really cause a problem. Now there is an MIC president, shouldn’t the president of BN comply with the shareholders agreement?
MIC or Am I Si ?
Listen .. from the horse’s mouth (TDM)
Enjoy !
Used of Henna…. bloody good
http://www.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2011/7/31/nation/20110731175738&sec=nation
Dear Doc,
Bloody dangerous!
Indelible ink brought in illegally from Thailand.
Henna made in your backyard.
Election Commission apa cerita sekarang?
Doc,
If the SPR is sincere…, then we should have both the Biometric and indelible ink. My mum is willing to supply the henna for free.
See if they have other spins…., use this ink then the guys voting in advance ( Postal votes ) cannot vote…., got my catch….?
But Najib will get some Indian voters to swing with this appointment of Palanivel as full-fledged Minister in the Cabinet. Especially right after the release of the PSM6 detainees which whether we like it or not, has become a “hot issue” amongst the Indian community.
Tom, this appointment is not to have Palanivel work in the cabinet through his abilities or skills, it is more of public relation move by Najib to win Indian votes, period!
Sentinel has explained the move to appoint Palanivel and what it is aimed for.
Sentinel…., Indians…most are not secured and don’t profess to secured mentality ….they swing like the lalang. MIC is a forgone party which is already rotting. Just imagine a taxi driver getting a AMN and also a school gardener…., what has he done for society…? These titles are just about nothing if it’s handed to guys like this.
They are into politics not to serve ….but to eat the crumbs left behind by UMNO/MCA…., they are there all for the wrong reasons.
Now this PM to entice the Indians.., promise a Minister post…, he can wallow but then the end game is that MIC is just a beggar party in the market.
Made and consist of guys who know nothing about politics.., just guys who follow membuta tali….to come out with a definite term…., your guess is as good as mine.
Indian community especially MIC members must be jumping up and down to celebrate! This is the first time MIC had two ministers in the cabinet since 1976.
But you can deliver and we will deliver, Najib told delegates in MIC general assembly! i.e you get no extra help or remain status quo if you don’t deliver! You must deliver first then we can talk about more tamil schools, school bags, temple funds, estate jobs, contracts for MIC and etc!
Najib, Indian community is waiting for your good moves, sir, good announcements and good plans, Mr. Palanivel said.
I was surprised after 50 years they are still waiting!!
Dear MC, please don’t forget that more than half of the 50 years was held by Samy! Maybe it was delivered, but the toll keeper kept all the receipts?
The analogy to a company management being answerable to its board should be that the Cabinet is answerable to Parliament. Unfortunately, the latter is suborned by bigots and capitalists – in every country.
The Pee MMM says we want you and we need you and we trust you and we are with you and we can win with YOU. didn’t all of you realize that there is a ‘CATCH’ for giving him a fool ministerial post?
A party that is always ‘one no two or three factions’, “like others in the BN”, inclusive of UM-NO….OOOO!
Guys must be able to catch the “drift”, what the Pee M “Really” meant and what he Actually SAID!
It is called “tersurat & tersirat”!
Nothing comes free !
Does anyone know what is the job of a “Minister in the Prime Minister’s Dept? I thought we already have a few of them. Another “full” and hopefully not “fool” minister in an already bloated cabinet. Lets not forget that Uncle Samy also holds a “Ministerial” post
Kok,
Depends on what portfolio.
If thy don’t have one, then it is whatever is required as and when.
Uncle Samy held on of the most cash rich ministry in the country. For every road built, he pocketed. Just imagine how many roads and other works that were been done during his time.
From what I read in the papers, Najib has decided to appoint him first before deciding what his “portfolio” is going to be.
cks,
As Sentinel pointed out, it is nothing but a political move.
And you just confirmed that as well.
In my opinion, DAP is more towards equals and merits. So far this is the only political party doing so. Unfortunately, DAP gets the branding of a chinese majority party. It is unfortunate because of situational circumstances, by large we are still ethnic base. This will continue to be the same as long as we have the animal instinct in us.
DPM said “I am Malay FIRST, Malaysian second” Leaders lead by example.
Anak Bangsa Malaysia will take a long time to materialise. It will take precedence especially for mixed marriage couples. We have clearly seen it with Hannah Yeoh case, application for their child race to be term as Anak Bangsa Malaysia REJECTED. I have noted that couples with spouse of different race are very keen on politics. They are drove into that situation, they can’t join UMNO, MCA nor MIC. They are lost in transition. The offsprings gets indulge in politics too, maybe outcast from it.
Perhaps, we could see something emerging from Abdullah Badawi offsprings or maybe from Chef Wan’s grandchildren. They are some taking the easy way out, assimilated into becoming a Malay to enjoy all the PERKS. The ex-dictator has done that and he has enjoyed our country wealth for his own personal and family benefits. That is typically very smart of him.
The not too recent announcement by PM that those whom scored 8As in SPM will get full scholarship regardless of race. That is a political mileage announcement that gain UMNO some credits. Sorry to say, his own government machinery has sabotage his “good” intention.
Our PM “might” have the will but the hands and legs are not synchronise for it for the betterment of Malaysia.
Wave,
In Sabah, we are Sabahans first, then our tribe or kaum.
We have been practicing that since forever. If you notice, when you meet a Sabahan, they will always say they’re Sabahan first, then Kadazan or Murut or Bajau or Suluk or Ranun blah blah
Apologies but curiosity got better of me in wondering if Rafick is a Muslim name or not and also in respect to claim of Dr. Rafick’s claim that despite him of the wrong skin color, he got a scholarship to study medicine. So did a searching – >Rafic Baha El Deen Al-Hariri (business tycoon and the Prime Minister of Lebanon),
Rafik Halliche (Arabic: رفيق حليش; born 2 September 1986 in Algiers) is an Algerian footballer)
Rafik Schami (Born in Damascus, Syria in 1946, Schami is the son of a baker from an Syriac-Christian family.)
Dr Rafick has shown by his writings that he is intelligent so please don’t bash me for insinuating that he did not get that scholarship because he probably got it on merit too.
My full name is Mohamed Rafick Khan and a khan is never a born malay. It is insulting to read that from skin color you switch the issue of getting scholarship to one based on to religion. Where are heading with this kind of argument?
For the record, in my class of 142 students doing medicine in UKM all the non Malays received scholarship except one which had turn it down as he doesnt want to be bonded with the government after that.
In Malaysia, Muslim = Malay, but I do realize that a number of Malays and/or Muslims have succeeded on merits and often feel insulted when others think otherwise. So my apologies. In fact this should be 1 good reason why scholarship/places in Uni based on race should stop for no successful person wants others to think they succeeded not based on merits.
But let me put in one point about success by UMNO/BN, they have largely reduced identification of “,,,,,” (sectors/class/profession) with race, so let the argument rest here.
In Malaysia
Malays are Muslim in general but NOT ALL Muslims are Malays..
Many are “unclassified” !
Warm Regards, Dr Mohd Rafick
ablog,
Doc is right. Not all Muslims are Malays.
I’m not a Malay but I’m a Muslim.
ablog,
In the corporate world, especially in the FMCG industry, Chinese managers will always hire their fellow Chinese, even when there are Malay or Indians who are more qualified than the Chinese fella they hired.
I understand the mentality, I do. The non-Bumis have been been subjected to racism by the government throughout their lives, especially in education.
The thing is, when they get the chance to stop such practices in their working/adult lives, they don’t. And yet, they keep on saying that the government practices racism.
Yes, the government does. But why do they? More so, when they keep on bitching/whining on how unfair it is?
In the western world some will use discrimination act to sue the employer. There were many successful cases and the victims won huge damages. I am not sure if there is such act in Malaysia.
In private sectors you can’t 100% eliminate discriminations and company politics. Even you are capable chinese but that does not guarantee you to get top job and promotions. Besides capability you must also know how to please your immediate boss.
If you think the boss does not recognise your capability and talent then you should jump to another company or international organisation.
Boardroom are still dominated by men. Many capable women still get lower pay than men.
MC,
In Malaysia, no such laws exists.
I agree, we can’t eliminate it 100% but I can assure you, a lot of qualified non-Chinese don’t even get to the door of many MNC FMCG companies because the hiring managers refuse to even meet them because they’re not Chinese.
True story.
I have over 50 staff directly under me across the whole of Asia-Pacific. My staff in Malaysia are mostly non-Malays because I hired them based on their capabilities, not race.
But my local counterpart, (he only handles Malaysia) in another agency handling a competing brand, who is Chinese, has no non-Chinese in his team. I asked him once why, he replied “for what? I’m weary of the good and qualified Malays because the management could promote him before me because being Malay, it’s easy to liaise with the governments.”
Now, what kind of a response is that?
As I said, I understand. But if you don’t want to hire non-Chinese for whatever reasons, unless they are not qualified, then don’t say you’re racist lah. Ditto to Malays who don’t hire non-Malays.
“But if you don’t want to hire non-Chinese for whatever reasons, unless they are not qualified, then don’t say you’re racist lah. Ditto to Malays who don’t hire non-Malays.”
NOT racists, instead of what is written above.
No doubt I believe your story. Discrimination exist in private sectors in any country. I am sure there are many organisations recognise capability and talent as well.
We need an act such as discrimation act and good education and trainning. Of course we must restore the fair legal system to make the discrimation act work.
For a start the government must show a good leadership and example to public they are fair to everyone. The government is for all irregardless of race.
In Malaysia educated malays are mainly in government institutions and government linked organisations. Educated chinese are mainly working in private sectors. Basically they hardly work with each other and don’t get to know each other well in their work and skills. That maybe one of the problem.
MC,
I totally agree with you on all counts.
And I personally think it starts with a change of government, don’t you think so?
Interesting.
However I cannot agree with you. I think it must start with one school stream where our children can mix and know each other. It’s too late to change the adult. Unfortunately being politicians, both sides won’t agree to this. A change in government does not make any difference.
Ellese
That I agree with you 300%. The nation need a single stream school
I also agree 300% after we change the government.
Ellese, you kown the answer, the crux is not on political party. Government need to earn trust from respective communities in order to make this work. I think BN have too many baggage.
Yes, I agree it should start from government and education. I have no problem so long the single school system implement taking into various considerations.
MC and HY, I don’t see DAP giving up the Chinese school or PAS giving up the religious schools. There’s too many votes at stakes to be principled here. They have been fighting for it for ages.
Politicians think differently. Changing of politicians without changing the their rewards and punishmentswill not achieve much/ anything.
Ellese
You have also missed out MCA, Gerakan & MIC! Have they agreed to single school system? And UMNO also must open up those colleges and school with 100% malay.
That’s what I wrote. I thought u n HY advocated that in order to have one school stream we need to change govt. Thats why I focus on pr parties to show that it does not make the difference. Both bn and pr are the same in this issue.
ablogsmith,
Muslim = Malay but not all Malay = Muslim. See Jakim File on “Permohonan Untuk Murtad”.
Kind regards,
That is why i said, Malays are Muslim in general…
Doc,
in the FC, a Malay must be a Muslim.
So, in essence, at least in Malaysia, Malays = Muslims.
zul,
Muslim does not equal Malay; I am non-Malay Bumi but a Muslim.
In the FC, a Malay has to be a Muslim first and foremost and 3 other things.
You are incoherent. What is your point?
That’s what the MIC is.Get ministerial posts or get holidays for Thaipusam!…and they will go to bed smiling.And the tragedy is when they wake up ,they will say sekarang fasal MIC kaum India sudah berjaya or sudah maju!
in politics of pkr,all talk about economic development in selangor.in reality,100,000 tons of sand are squandered EVERYDAY from the
State.
Isn’t that a loss on Selangor State taxes,royalty,commission on rgt600,000,000.00 a year?
Zero DELIVERY from PKNS,PKPS,KDEB,PNSB!
Dear Yoko, according to Selangor state government they are receiving royalty for the sand. Are you sure you have your facts correct?
Yes.My facts are conservative.PKNS gives affordable homes contract
ONLY to non bumi contractors.
yoko,
First, you talk about sands, making grandiose allegations of the losses.
When observer countered you with the royalties the SG is getting from the sands, you then go to low cost housing.
If someone here were to counter that, what’s next; you’d move to FDI?
And you say your facts are conservative; where are they? Your facts, I mean.
salam sabahan,
sebenarnya fakta memang lebih buruk dari 100,000 tan pasir sehari.pasir sungai di sg rawang sampai tgh hari tadi di curi 100 trip oleh
lori 20 tan oleh 20 lori sebanyak 5 trip setiap lori.ini sudah 2000 tan di curi.
belum lagi di puchong dan di kepong.malam belum di kira.sindikit 3 kaki di
rawang ketawa,mb koperat kena tipu dgn cina kampong curi pasir.kepong lagi dasyat.ini belum cerita pasir halus curi,bayar harga pasir kasar.ah chai kambing susu btg berjuntai kaya curi satu hari 300 trip 20 tan lori.ini baru
siang saja.
apa mb pkr buat?
ivan,
Masa bapak awak UMNO/MCA pegang lagi teruk…, sekarang tak merasa.., macam macam lah helah nak burukan Kerajaan PR.
Hello cina tak sedardiri…., tak ada projek BN lagi..kah…? ivan go plug your hole and squeeze your balls.
Yoko,
As much as you are Japanese…., you should serve your country after the aftermath….of the earthquake…., we can take care of Selangor.
Anyway…you are plain looser…, I feel your hubby’s business is down.
Dear Meek, your response to both Ivan and Yoko are personal attacks or how Hua Yong puts it “ad hominim”.
Many commentators here also make statements based purely on perceptions and rarely based on facts. It may include Ivan, Yoko and even you.
Nevertheless is doesn’t give the right for the rest to make personal attacks.
If you continue this manner, it just reflects bad on PR supporters and indirectly on PR. Clearly from what I read here, other than Sabahan and a few others, PR commentators rarely debate intelligently and quite keen on making personal attacks instead.
It may give satisfaction for you but it taints what ever other people think of PR.
Please consider to be more civil in your discourse, it doesn’t just damage your reputation only.
Making accusation without facts reflects poorly on the acuser!
Ahemm ….. Dr sudah confused, ke ?
Read again what you wrote…
Got it ?
PKR MB is vindictive.He must not run for state seat this coming GE.
Then Selangor will fly!!
yoko,
If he is, so are you.
When you allege someone is vindictive, please cite samples, talking kosong is cheap.
dato salehudin hashim,ex exec chairman trenergy bhd helped nurul won lembah pantai.dsai rewarded him to be sec gen of pkr.then agree he should
be kdeb president and ceo.khalid mb pkr bullied him through azlan hashim
during interview and told him off.
khalid was one time colleague together with saleh.he didnt like saleh as saleh is from mckk and he was malay medium and got 3rd grade for spm.
saleh became youngest midf gm and then top gun when UEM was founded.
that is your pkr mb.clever to talk but just a beuracrat.anyone can build pnb
if you buy shares at 30percent discount market rate.btw,selangor is less
corrupt now because it does nothing in terms of economic development.
free this and that.what a comic mb.
ivan,
I’m sorry but I still am not seeing the facts and samples.
The example you mentioned above is purely hearsay, and one sided. Were you in the interview when Khalid via Zalan Hashim bullied Saleh? Did you see a memo or heard Khalid say that he doesn’t like Saleh because he’s less educated?
(Side note: Are you saying Salleh got 3rd grade SPM from MCKK? How did he then go to UM to study law? Sure bor your facts? You seem to not know the facts at all lah. Kalau dah benci kat Khalid, cakap aje lah bencu; ndak perlu buat satu rekaan yg tidak masuk akal.)
Hearsay, my friends, they are nothing but hearsay.
I can counter you with a bunch of hearsay on how corrupt, indiscipline and lacking in intellectual depth Saleh is but they wouldn’t be acceptable anyways. Feel me?
Al fitnahtu ashadu minal katal.
ivan,
Would you be happy if we replace TS Khalid with someone Azin recommends?
Azmin, I mean.
azmin recommends whatever dsai tells him.
therefore,i will be happy when azmin recommends.
I thought would you say that.
But wasn’t TS Khalid also DSAI’s choice?
dsai chose mb pkr.it was unexpected that mb pkr wouldnt listen to him.mb pkr started making mistakes from day 1.these are creating issues on pig farm,opening non bumi for utm,allowing ronnie liew to
open health spas,not visiting victims of storm in klang,wearing suit
to visit kpg…then theres free water,failed water asset takeover(lol!),
failed sand policies,blame sultan on appointing state secretary,aff homes only for non bumi contractors(no bumi qualified! only big n
rich non bumi qualified),open tender for pkns,screw up pkps,screw up pnsb,kdeb nothing…no adun and pkr/pr mp are happy in selangor for eg not sure if yb zuraidah is.
Dsai’s weakness is he didnt see this and let it go on.As a result,7 mpsdefected
ivan,
Sour grapes like you’re aplenty…., boot polishers out of jobs…, what you write..is nothing compared to how we were fleeced all these years.., anyway welcome aboard…cyber trooper….., nice to read some cock stories…, but you need to brush your teeth…and hand.
betul ka itu mb pkr minta lagi 60juta dua minggu lepas sebab mau bayar air
pada syabas? tiap tiap kali dewan bersidang pun mau minta wang dari state
treasury meh?
itu bankrap la selangor kalau semua lagi kasi air free.
itu bangi low cost,bayar kontraktor rgt150,000 satu rumah,jual sama buyer
rgt100,000.00 pkns bayar extra 50,000.00 satu rumah ka? kalau nanti
10,000 rumah mampu milik, pkns mesti mau bayar rgt500,000,000.00 ka?
apa ini gila ka?
ivan,
I know your ID based on your IP address. Why using 2 different names in my blog. Please use the same identity. Dont misled others
Kena patan sudah! lol
itu lah bah, jangan main2 sama orang yg bernama Khan.
kan, doc?
LMAO!
i use VM systems via IBM 370 so my ip can be manipulated.VM does that especially if you use CICS underneath (ver 3.0 patch7).my database does
confuse your ip(i use ncp/tcpip for local malaysian line) but i know you know
i know.
solat jap.
Politics is unfortunately different Doc. It applies to both bn and pr. Head of organization will get a place despite past records and reputation whether good or bad. And this also applies beyond Malaysia even in much developed liberal democracies. Bush for instance cannot by any measure be said to be the best brain in US or reflect the best performer that US can produce at that time. And so does many liberal democracies which if you look at it are mainly ethnocentric. Thus you cannot get a Muslim to be French president. Skin colour ethnic overrides still prevalent.
We are still ethnocentric whether we like it otherwise. People too partisan to admit. For pr supporter they still want a Malay to lead even though they think LGE has a good brain and performed. For BN it’s just too obvious they based on ethnicity.
This requires a long discussion. Most of us who claim to be non racist here practices selective racism. It’s only racist if it’s against their ethnic/ race. After numerous intercourse we just can’t move.
Either we accept we’re ethnic based and move from there. Or we move towards away from ethnic bias. The Malays give up their privileges and Chinese give up their ethnic based schools and business. The indians also the same. No matter how you want to argue on mother tounge language, it’s selective if you don’t fight for mother tounge rights of other ethics like Sikhs bidayuh Iban etc etc. It’s a cyclical argument.
So back to docs theme. Should we pick the best? Hell yes. But politics is a sum of our own values. We don’t get the best at both bn and pr coz they reflect our current values. We need to change to get it right. Politicians will follow us.
Ellese, you point out the plain and no embellishment, good!
However, i think we shall discuss and contemplate again your statement “Either we accept we’re ethnic based and move from there. Or we move towards away from ethnic bias.” In my opinion, it may not be necessarry a case of ‘either’ and ‘or’.
I would like this. Hopefully S18, rocko, doc, observer, amus etc can join in. I think this is the crux moving forward.
Ellese,
Again, very good post.
Like it or not, Malaysians all practice, as you have pointed out, selective racism. Even the staunchest of Malaysian Malaysia supporters do practice some form of racism from time to time.
I find it humorous to hear people say they are not racists but when faced with the slow or ineffective services of the government agencies, their natural reaction is “la, see lah who mans the counter’
The fact is, deny all we want, we all are guilty of practicing some form of racism in our daily lives. We may not say it, we may not show it, but certainly think about it.
Now, think about it.
Seriously.
Thanks. I think we need to tackle this head on. Lip service is not enough. And don’t forget bro the recognised lawful discrimination under our constitution. All this needs to be discussed.
Ellese,
“Head of organization will get a place despite past records and reputation whether good or bad”
True.
But why should it be the case?
Let’s say because it is the convention, fair enough. But at least promote someone who is duly elected, not someone like Koh, Sharizat or Palanivel.
I understand the need to appoint non politicians for certain posts – such as Jala – but when you appoint a politician, the least you can do is appoint from the ranks of those who were elected. Backdoor ministerialships should not be practised.
Just saying.
That would be preferred. But in politics there’s no hard and fast rule. They invariably decide on ability to mobilize support. Appointment of palanieval is purely political.
Our problem is that we don’t have a culture of resignation. Thus you see people in office for very long time and again you will see this on both sides of the fence.
I typically dont like to revolve on Political personality. A politician to me is the same be they religious or not or educated or not. They never have principles in mind and always change value according to whom they meet in order to achieve an overriding goal for profit.. I believe They(politician) will change only if the system changes the incentives and disincentives for these people. This, we have not even embarked on it.
Ellese,
Since there are no rules, then why not implement what I suggested? :-p
Dear Ellese, basically you are saying we are all racists?
Hmm, maybe we all are?
I know you tend to write very academically, but I prefer the layman style.
I feel that if we are truly racists in nature it is better we accept it and not pretend we are not. Otherwise we all are guilty of being hypocrites.
The issue is should we be racists?
If we feel the way forward is not to be racists, I agree that our next generation be thought and be given the exposure to mix with all Malaysian despite race, religion or creed.
However, realistically I doubt it will happen. PAS, UMNO, MIC, PKR, MCA, DAP and Gerakan will not push for a single school system. These political parties depend on the condition being status quo.
So we are all doomed to be racists!
Observer,
Yes, we all are.
Only difference is that some are more racist than others. And some just don’t want to admit it at all.