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In a politically motivated move the RMP police have started a crackdown on anyone wearing anything yellow that is associated with BERSIH. The police have lost its common sense and its independence. Clearly Hishamuddin is running the RMP. Maybe it is time that we abolished the post of the IGP. Maybe the police should now check people underwear!
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So now, it is clearly that the police will catch everyone. I urged the BERSIH supporters to continue their peaceful approach and don’t follow the barbaric actions of the KOTOR groups. In my personal capacity, I support any peaceful walk with positive agenda for the benefits of the nation. The nation interest is higher than BN political interest or its office bearer’s personal interest.
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I would like to suggest to those participating in the BERSIH 2.0 rally not to challenge or provoke the police. Maybe they should make the job easier for the police by wearing the T-shirt and surrender to the police peacefully and in groups. If 1 mill does that where does the police intent to put this 1 mill people wearing yellow? Maybe instead of walking towards the palace, they should walk into Bukit Aman and put forward their hands and offers themselves to be handcuffed.
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It would be a world record of some sort if 1 million people went to the police station nationwide and surrender themselves. They will create the following records:
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The largest number of people wearing the same color T-shirt and underwear.
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The largest number of people who offered themselves to be handcuffed at the same time
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The largest number of people who wants “to revive communism” with financial support from “foreign Christian groups”.
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The silliest decision ever made by a politician!
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Whatever it is, my advice is no to respond to provocation with force. Respond it with love and you will see the police knees are actually made of jelly. Show them the power of love. You can also follow BERSIH 2.0 on twitter.
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It would seem that Bersih must have read my comments. Now they want to have an audience with HRH Yang DiPertuan Agong. The Star online report 4 July 2011:
“KUALA LUMPUR: Bersih 2.0 chairman Datuk S. Ambiga said they welcomed the Yang di-Pertuan Agong’s statement on the proposed July 9 rally.
She said they would seek an audience with the Yang di-Pertuan Agong as soon as possible and would make an announcement on the status of the rally after that.
“Don’t speculate. We will make an announcement as soon as possible.” Ambiga said .
She had conveyed the steering committee’s decision to have an audience with the King to former Prime Minister Tun Abdullah Ahmad Badawi, who had asked to meet her on Sunday.”
I wonder why they didn’t think of this from the start? I sure HRH Yang DiPertuan Agong would have organized the audience and Bersih, with their few representative present their memo to him.
Now the more reason why I believe there are certain political parties have been using Bersih to achieve their political ends all on the pretext of exercising their freedom to demonstrate. What I am not happy is that objectives of these parties have purposely disregarded the interest of the KL Rakyat with the sole aim to destabilize the city to thumb down the present Government.
I just can’t wait for the upcoming GE to show these parties what I think of them for such bad intentions.
maybe she did.. you want her mobile number?
Could you call her and ask whether she did? I certainly would like to know.
Apparently, the PM has offered a stadium for Bersih. Do you know whether that’s true too?
The stadium offer was made by the IGP about 2 weeks ago
oops, lets not forget the Pee M says : Kalau saya tiup “SEMBOYAN SAYA”…3 JUTA AKAN KELUAR!
Adakah itu betul, acah sahaja, sekarang dah ada guru silat, rela, pdrm, atm, perkosa, patriot, perkida, semua ini banyak kuat oh!
Semua mahu kasi buat BAIK atau mau buat JAHAT?
kalau mahu buat baik kita sama sama jalan ke melaka bandar sejarah. baru ada umppp….aman peace walk for a goood gormen!
Is that what Najib fear? Just like the british……Perhaps, smart alec like Ellese can answer
Are you purposely picking a fight against me with consequtive provocative and baseless insinuation? Are you disagreeable with my position on the demo which so happen is similar to ambiga? Is ambiga wrong?
Raffick,
Some people wanna frighten & instigate us that PDRM would bring live bullets. Fear Not! We will march like peaceful protestors just like the Yindians in 1912 in Amritsar. Let see PDRM wanna do another Amritsar in KL
Anyway, lets see if Ellese can stomach this! Britain has lost Yindia because of this…….
I believe that smart alecs like Ellese can’t answer why Hong Kong government, not really democractically elected allowed massive protest & yet no problem. They even allow people like Mia Farrow to come in…..Why hah?
It is even a norm in indonesia!
It’s been awhile. Thats why I think you’ve missed my earlier post. I’m for freedom of assembly for our way forward. I think bersih has same right as KJ and IA. And this is the same position of ambiga the bersih leader. My question to you is that if you support bersih n hong kong protest how come you depart from ambiga in welcoming KJ to protest on same day?
Ellese.
Who say tak Bolih…, just join the band wagon but don’t instigate…, anyway with 5000 amal and Bersih marshals..it will be a breeze…as far as security is concern, just hope , ” Nobody let their DOGS out…”.
but then again..we see Rustam and Silat Lincah and a whole lot…, they don’t even understand the agenda..so are we barking up the wrong tree…?
But please Rustam…, never ever quote 513 again…, bawak padah to your own survival…, you don’t believe me just wait and watch.
The right to assembly cannot be curtailed by instigation which is a form of free speech. It can be curtailed if it is violent leading to damage of property or harm to people.
I Think you’re pretentious here. There are many against IA and kj demonstrating on the same day. Let’s see the view of other commentators whether they object to KJ and IA having an assembly on the same day as:
Your comrade mc said;
“…Why he needs to choose the same date? Can’t he choose say 10 July or other date? ”
Docs position:
“I think if IA is sincere about upholding the peace, he should either find another date or another route on the same date. ” [doc at least has been consistent]
And finally our grand Meek position:
“I think Perkasa and UMNO Youth should not choose the same day…, it show you shallow mentality”
In another posting mr meek said:
“I suggest..9/7 is for – Bersih. 16/7 is for – Perkasa and 23/7 for UMNO Youth…., come clean the streets of KL and claim what your Characters are all about…, Why have it on the same day..? To show you have power or to show us that you are asses.”
Such disdain by meek on assembly by IA and/or KJ on the same date.
Yet he wrote: …. “Who say tak Bolih…” in this comment.
You spin til you forget the tail.
What do you call a person who condemns other people for assembling on same day of bersih but later claimed no one has ever claimed you cannot do it? I think it’s the same category as the person who are against racism but spew racists statement or defend comrades who spew racism? What are they called?
Ellese,
What was the expressed intent of KJ and IA ? Of course KJ later changed it to “patriotic assembly” – what hogwash !
If their expressed intent was to disrupt the bersih rally was a violation of other people’s rights then why are you defending their right to rally on the same day ?
If they had said that they wanted to rally for some other reason and would not disrupt others than by all means do it on the same day if the police has enough resources to manage it.
Why being such a silly little apologist for a group of people who saw it fit to violate the rights of others to assemble peacefully ?
Ambiga has the same view with mine. Why are you against her stand?
By the way meek, have you notified EC of the deceased’s in your mums place to ensure a fair electoral roll? When was the death and how long has it been going? Please ensure a clean electoral roll. It’s incumbent on bersih supporter to take such steps.
If Hong Kong goverment no issue in handling so many protesters over 50K in a compact city, why Najib complain? Hong Kong people ber business astute, how come they earn big big bucks during rally?
By stopping Bersih campaign, Najib admitted that election not free & fair?
To everybody including Ellese,
Watch this link! If PRC does not gabrah, why Najib so afraid of rallies? How many people join in the rally? Got somebody mati kah. Perhaps, we should let HKP take over RMP. Please take note 90% of HKP are cina….why hah? By the way, got lost of business meh in Hong Kong
ellesse,
sure KJ and AI have every right to have demonstrations. why on the same day? same route? and with threats of violence?
have you seen Police dispersing any demonstrations by UMNO and its machias? drag some cowheads in public and you have sole lawmaker Hisha standing behind to justify their actions instead of POLICE action. Hey, wearing yellow shirts cannot but drag cowheads to denigrate the Hindus, its UMNO right.
Where in the constitution is YELLOW T-Shirts with “Bersih” word on it an illegal garment? Only an idiot can come out with such a decree.
UMNO is nothing but a bunch of bullies hiding under the pants of the authorities. I hope the colours of the undies are ok. Darn.
That is what is called justifying the wrong action
Then ambiga is justifying the wrong action juga. If I’m in the same boat of ambiga and you all support ambiga then all of us are wrong. Now it make sense why HISHAM says were all wrong. There’s a faulty logic here somewhere.
Please read again. I’m for rights of assembly. I say we must allow all. My position is no different from ambiga. My criticism is to those who practice selective right of assembly which is contrary to bersih’s position.
Ellese,
The problem here is that UMNO never knows or knew where it went wrong…,
They are just about parasites…just willing to milk everything in the name of religion and race.., and feel that we the rakyaat..need to kow tow to them.
This Bersih rally….is for all Malaysians.., why is Umno so scared…to join the band wagon…? SPR playing a game with them..?
Nak gertak pun dulu bolih…sekarang..rakyaat dah matang. They can digest corrupt politicians antics…, and they know how to send them packing.
We all agree that all of them have the right to walk peacefully but UMNO and PERKASA openly and blatantly threatened public order! Since they have threatened, should they be allowed to walk together with the peace walkers? No point of splitting the hair of this issue as you will never take a fair position on this matter.
Hello, Yellow is illegal ? How can ! apanama dia .. gone bonkers, ke ?
Ain’t got no time for bonkies, man !
Here’s a classical – with Yellow costumes, Yellow stand and Yellow Mic….. with ecstatic support from the crowd !
Just enjoy and celebrate !
Doc,
No point addressing a HM who cannot differentiate the role of the Police and the Army…, but he makes a good Office boy in Putrajaya.
Doc,
Can we have a Home minister…, who looks more like a office boy in the home ministry. A guy who don’t even know the roles of the police and the army.
But we are suppose to vote for these guys for we are idiots…?
Time to tell these guys that they have taken the rakyaat a bit to far.., assuming them as just about suap makan.
Our Royalties ..have been strip naked by the TUN and UMNO…., and yet..we see them playing to their tune.., do they have any weakness that can be used to blackmail them..? A question to ponder,,?
I just hope our HM don’t become our HM in School….., not at this stage and era……, will send you back to preschool…, Kerismuhideen.
MCMC: We will shut down websites if necessary
Doc, your website could be one of the target!!
Sound like communist country? Maybe the Police should arrest UMNO leaders instead of PSM members for revival of communism!! UMNO leaders have been meeting top communist leaders too often and learning their tactics how to crack down dissents and opponents!! Are they trying to revive communism?
Police to make sure July 9 rallies do ‘not take place’
How could they stop overseas rally in Australia, London, USA and etc?
No matter what happen to Bersih rally in Malaysia, overseas rally will still go on.
MC,
Malaysia rally will go on…., just might have some hiccups…, but then Bersih have made their point…., alas..our jokers don’t understand the language,
I also want to know this from SPR.
I have 13 voters from mums house address.
# 3 are decease now…, are heir names still there..?
How many others are using the same address..?
Have the three decease…voted after death,,?
SPR WAWO…., we are not STUPID like you to be UMNO STOOGES,,,, we all love this country…and believe that it’s run wrongly.
So…admit you are a UMNO /BN stooge and reforms are necessary prior to PPU13..if not forget it,,,,, shaft your bio….apa nama itu up your throat.
We need the INK….and we want SPR to account for postal Votes…, and also allow all citizens overseas to partake in our elections.
8 points issues is far fetch…I know…, but we can address the five without any reference to Parliament.., but the other three we should move a private bill ..not now but after PRU 13……, since we don’t know the games both sides are playing.
But for me…, I need to know how many VOTERS are using my mums house address,
Obviously you are unaware how polling is done. A pr polling agent at the polling booth will have the names and ic as his/her as his list. Any voter who votes will be cross checked against his list. If he sees a young person listing as an 80 year old he can object and demand to see the ic. If false he can proceed to lodge a report and persecute the voter. It’s very unlikely to happen unless pr polling agent falls asleep.
On your part please get it deregistered with EC. This is your civic duty to do it. Otherwise people can accuse you of intending to use them it as phantom voters.
Ellese, ,
Thank you for highlighting this to me…., my dog said you are right.., then again she is in DC,…, so she agrees everything I say.
If at all SPR is clean on the eight points…, just get it done. ..( five of these need not have to get a ok from parliament..)
Anyway you as a lawyer never digested my post…, you just another UMNO lapper….., awaiting a fall…even if you the brains..you don’t fit the bill.
Have you informed EC to deregister the name? If you want EC to be clean you must also come with clean hands. People who wants a clean electoral list must necessarily inform EC that those he knows who have deceased to the EC who doesn’t know.
Dear Ellese,
First demand of Bersih 2.0 is
1. Clean the electoral roll
It is the job of EC to do it. There are ways to do it, if EC really want to do it. Sometimes, EC prefer to sleep on the job. Why rock the boat?
Bulan Bulan ada gaji buta, apa pasal pergi cari pasal.
With Bersih 2.0 on the run, EC cannot sleep anymore, it time to buck up or move out.
How does EC clean it if people like meek don’t even Bother to
Inform the deceased of their death. I’m not going to repeat same point. Please read observer comment below.
Erratum. …informed EC of the death of others they know.
Ellese,
SPR since appointed by assholes…are also assholes…, what do do expect from guys who don’t even know their roles….in SPR..?
Sedih tapi benar…? How can we have idiots in SPR who don’t even know to to clean up the electoral rolls.
But then dia orong buat bodoh saja for some idiots survival.
Dear Ellese,
Why you look down on Government machinery?
Are you saying that EC is hopeless?
Are implying that EC are not capable?
I am not going to give you an education piece, if I do, I would insulting your intelligence.
Whenever a person pass away? What is the next thing to do? We go to JPN right? That is one hint.
Please do not downgrade the government capabilities. Support a bit lah… When time to support, you do not want to. Hai….
Please read observer comment. I’ve yet to read The actual Provision. As a rule EC cannot be left free to change anything on electoral rolls. Powers must be exercised with scrutiny lest it leads to chaotic situation.
Ellese,
If that’s the case we can become SPR…, , when one kicks the bucket you get a burial certificate…, that’s basically to dispose the dead. Then you get a death certificate…to facilitate the insurance, EPF and other matters.
Don’t you think the authorities should extend this to SPR,,? Are we ass holes like you…?
Come on BRO…., SPR should be more than ” CARMA “. I know they are idiots but then I know they are not bigger IDIOTS then me.
Morning, Dr and readers
Maybe, some of you folks like to download this article, written in BM, before it’s taken off the air ! (Happened before, leh!)
Kualiti kepemimpinan Umno — Sakmongkol AK47
http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/sideviews/article/kualiti-kepemimpinan-umno-sakmongkol-ak47/
Will Utusan, Star, and other Gomen-controlled MSM publish such articles ?? Freedom of expressions ?
Nah …..That will be the day when UMNO turned Yellow (read BERSIH aka CLEAN) !
Btw,Dr, …. just to test the temp.of the water, perhaps you and residents wear yellow baju melayu for the Friday prayer, and greet the top cop with a smile ?
Have a good day !
I think there’s too much spin especially by mc convoluting the issue.
I will put my stand again before explaining. I personally think bersih’s cause is not a just cause warranting a demo. Nevertheless I do feel that if we can assemble peacefully and orderly not tantamounting to a change in government I can support such right to demo. In order words though I may disagree with the cause I can respect the right to demo.
Now let me elaborate my initial spinning contention. Though I disagree with bersih point four to 8, I think those who support it must be consistent and not be double standard.
For example, free access to media which is fair and objective as claimed by bersih. If you believe in it you must necessarily not condemn mainstream media only but all media including e media like MI and MT. For example raja Petra spinning an unproven and false fact on nsjobs murder can hardly be deemed fair and in fact its a lie. Similarly my many writings criticizing MI were censored by MI though claiming to believe on freedom of speech. MI can hardly be said to be objective and fair. They are Utusan but of the other end. But no one demand the e news to be fair and objective.
Now my reading here shows overwhelming majority here are purely partisan. A right or wrong depends on who says it. Thus the shallowness I find in some commentators like you know who, who do not have principled stand. I can accept you support bersih on this but on the same breath defend pure pro pr news aggregator makes me puke of the hypocritical stand.
Similarly with dirty politics. Don’t want gutter politics. With Anwar’s video it’s gutter. With soi lek it’s not. With anwar maker is important but actor not. With soi lek actor important maker not. With bn they claim bn doesn’t want free and fair election but with pkr they claim wants this when they clearly forged and fraudulently conduct their
Bersih should not be only against bn but also pR. They fight for a cause. It shpuld not b political. This pr supporter must understand.
Apol. Getting sleepy n making errors. Penultimate para’s last word is “election”. Nsjobs should b najib’s.
Aren’t you always doing spinning for UMNO & IA Hypocrite here?
Many perceived you are doing spinning for UMNo & IA Hypocrite.
What you said was just your personal view, whether MSM or PR media spin is for readers to judge. Every one is entitled to criticise BN or PR or comments here.
You view about Bersih causes is not warranting demo just your personal view. Many million might hold different view to you.
Your view cannot be always 100% right.
Yes most of my view are criticism on various scandals involved UMNO government and cronies. In the past I also criticised PKR election fraud an cheating and mess and Anwar leadership and scandal.
Just a good example the recent arrest on Bersih activitist and PSM members for revival of communism and waging war against King. Of course I have to criticise police and UMNO governement.
It’s not about whether you criticise bn or pr. It’s about being principle. It’s about being steadfast in value.
Let me give example. Bersih organizer believes in the right to assembly. So when KJ announced he wants to do the same, they actually respect that right and welcome it. This is principled. But it’s not principled when you argue bersih can demo but the rest against bersih can’t. Some argue that the right to demo must be subject to priority in time. This doesn’t make sense.
The impact of inconsistency is this. Assuming PR is in power, then some party wants to demo for any cause, pr will then give similar excuses like UMNO to say it affects the peoplelah and businesslah or not sincerelah or creating mischieflah etc etc. We go back to square one in terms of civil development.
What’s the use of changing personnel only. They will still conduct abuses and corruption. Powers corrupt. We see this in selangor abusing selangor’s money for Sarawak election. It doesn’t matter whether you’re pr supporter but im flabberglasted by the inconsistent stand. It’s not the change I want. it’s not the change malaysians want.
So mc, it’s not whether you criticise pr or not. It’s about being consistent. If you are you would have condemned meek for racism rather than invoke ignorance.
Did I or anyone say KJ or IA Hypocrite has not right to protest? I have never said that.
All I have said was that If there was potential clash between Bersih rally and Perkasa & UMNO, it would better to have two different date. They have the right to demo.
My criticism also why IA Hypocrite got permit and making protest without problem. Many PSM & Bersih activitist were arrrested for revival of communism & waging war against war.
Why UMNO Youth thugs were okay to demo in PKR HO? Police never arrest them. That was one of my comment.
And Najib criticism on Bersih but no Perkasa & UMNO thugs.
You didn’t even realise you’re being inconsistent again. Now if you believe in a right to demo why do you say bersih has a right to demo on that day? Why not KJ or IA has the right to demo on that day? Why does bersih has more right than KJ or IA? Who determine who has more right? You? Is it whoever declares first has more right? So everyone must wait? What if there’s 366 group who wants to protest. One has to wait for one year? Why are you subjecting the right of demo to priority in time? All this doesn’t make sense and simply show you don’t believe in it and simply again too partisan.
You didn’t even realise you’re being inconsistent again. Now if you believe in a right to demo why do you say bersih has a right to demo on that day? Why not KJ or IA has the right to demo on that day? Why does bersih has more right than KJ or IA? Who determine who has more right? You? Is it whoever declares first has more right? So everyone must wait? What if there’s 366 group who wants to protest. One has to wait for one year? Why are you subjecting the right of demo to priority in time? All this doesn’t make sense and simply show you don’t believe in it and simply again too partisan.
Srry. This was meant for mc 3.59 reply. I’ll repaste.
I think assessment in an entirety manner is required when talk about principle (in the context of bias reporting). First of all, MI, MT and Mkini is privately own and therefore it is their rights to report as they wish to, as long as they don’t break the law. The same shall apply to mainstream media that report news and opinion reflecting the interest of political party and owner. However the complaint here is that when government (BN) possess the rights to issue and renew permit of printing press and publication, and often restrict the rights of others to own a press and publication, I am in the opinion that this is not a fair evaluation of principle, in fact that gap of readership number from both mainstream and internet media is enormous.
That said, I have to admit that I don’t read much both mainstream and so called alternative (MI, MT and Mkini, I do read “op-ed” from columnist I like). Question is where is my rights to access to a relatively unbiased and independent media in Malaysia as long as government discourage/disapprove such freedom?
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Being partisan is human nature, my excuse for such behavior have two folds 1) I don’t believe in absolute principle, meaning to say I would support one that is fairly principle compare to one that is less principle, and hope we could achieve a check and balance within the realm of two/more equal force and 2) most of us have two face, one public and one private, and what we demonstrate and write in public and private would fluid with times and values.
I dislike a DAP bitch name Teo, she attended a Sunday program in my wife Buddhism centre and her attitude really sickening. And during a visit to this Teo bitch service center with my mum, I have the impression that this Teo bitch assistant, another bitch, is truly arrogance and rude, and the worst part is she reveal an outlook that look down upon the old. I am thinking why not this Teo bitch change her DAP service centre and name it DAP bitch center so I know who I am dealing with. However I would continue to support DAP in public at this point of time though privately I think one of their bitch deserve a kick on her ass, for the sake of a more balance government.
I can agree on your point on restriction of ownership. But this not what bersih wants. Bersih wants:
“5. Free and fair access to media
It is no secret that the Malaysian mainstream media fails to practice proportionate, fair and objective reporting for political parties of all divide. BERSIH 2.0 calls on the EC to press for all media agencies, especially state-funded media agencies such as Radio and Television Malaysia (RTM) and Bernama to allocate proportionate and objective coverage for all potlical parties.”
They want access, proportionate fair and objective reporting. Should this not also be demanded on all pro pr news aggregator and media like MI MT etc etc? Why one sided with blatant unfairness of false reporting like what RPK did on altantunya SD. Report and spin based on Hearsay cannot in any circumstances be interpret as fair and objective.
All I want is fair and objective reporting. I don’t see this with bn and pr. Both are the same. This media biasness is simply one of the major disappointment of 08.
Ellese,
I think you are spinning the issue. I am one who dislike demo or protest but Bersih rally becomes unavoidable because the authority does not wish to sit on a round-table to discuss matter and settle issues amicably. Attitude of thinking the government am always right and opposition/rakyat are wrong is akin to self denial and that is what the government is justifying
To the contrary. It’s not a spin. My stand is the same as bersih stand. I’ll quote:
“Election watchdog chief Datuk Ambiga Sreenevasan applauded today Khairy Jamaluddin’s vow to carry on with the Umno Youth march to rival the Bersih rally next month as a sign of Malaysia’s flourishing democracy.
“It’s very refreshing to read the comment of Khairy Jamaluddin who realises the right to assemble under the Federal Constitution,” the Bersih 2.0 chairman told The Malaysian Insider.”
This is not a spin.
Ellese,
You guys …, i mean the so call lawyers and loyar buruks need to know and define what is a RALLY and what DEMO is all about…., I’m just a fast crook but I feel some among us are like Najib..and WAWO…just STUPID.
Cannot differentiate..a walk, rally and a Demo…?
Anyway….our SPR needs to answer a lot of things prior to BN calling for snap elections..if not it a farce….,it amount to more then cheating,,,, it amounts to selling the soul of our NATION,
I hope it will not reach to that,,,, if it does…, then we know that GOD never existed in their world and they are just about vagabonds.
Under principle of human rights a rally ke or walk ke or demo ke falls under the right to assemble. There’s no distinction. Ask ambiga if you don’t believe me. She too doesn’t distinguish it. Are you saying ambiga is stupid too?
Go read latest article By Matthias Chang at RPK site.
Worth your effort.
Nite.
Abuse of Powers ? Watch and decide for yourselves.
1. Stopping a Penang State Government function – Legal way ?
2. Harrassment of Local Councillors in Selangor.
Penang and Selangor – guess what’s the common factor … a no brainer, lah !
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Anyone heard of a mini TV series that may be aired soon ? Synopsis goes something like this…
Reports received – an invasion by a large force of foreign terrorists, attempt to create chaos in Kwai Lan city.
Leaders begin to panic on receipt of such reports. Soon many came down with yellow fever ! Doctors were puzzled.. why only a certain group
have this sickness ?
To thwart such attempts, all national defence resources ( Police, incl Sea, Air, and Land forces) placed on Alert.
All leave are cancelled. Staff complained, blah,blah.
APB issued – the enemies reportedly dressed in yellow, armed with Yellow assault AK47s and portable Fire-and-Forget types of missiles
( some lower ranks armed with cheaper version … Buang-Batu, Sembunyi-Tangan).
Enemy elite troops may be airdropped by helicopters painted yellow ( as a camouflage against the sun backdrop), and commandos sneaked in via Yellow submarines along the coasts.
Meanwhile, some advisors suggest close-door negotiations ….. no headway made…
Damn ! .Why did the Boss keep on changing the scripts ! …. cursed the crew and production team …….
You folks never heard of it ? Oh, well. Doesn’t matter. Most probably of sub-standard production by half past 6 actors.
Time to relax. Listen to some hits songs like … Yellow River, and These Boots are Meant for Walking !
Respond it with love and you will see the police knees are actually made of jelly.
Nice!
I am not sure about it. They can be brutal and put a bullet on your head under the order!!
SIPITANG, Sabah, June 30 — Prime Minister Najib Razak criticised Bersih 2.0 today saying street demonstrations were not the Malaysian way to problem solving, and can turn violent.
Did he critcise UMNO youth members recent protest? Did he criticise IA Hypocrite & thugs protest? Did he?
Why only criticise Bersih? Aren’t IA Hypocrite & UMNO youth also going to protest on the same date?
Can you see he is no longer hiding?
Right song but wrong singer. It should have been power of love by celine dion. No wonder when I listened, i asked, what is wrong?
EC shoots down Bersih’s demands ahead of rally.
EC deputy chairman Datuk Wira Wan Ahmad charged that implementing automatic voter registration contravened the “spirit of democracy”, and would involve amending Article 119 of the federal constitution which would be an “arduous” task.
Arduous task? Don’t we have few hundred amendments or introduction new act/legistration since independence? Making few hundred amendments or introduction new act was not arduous task? Only amendment Article 119 would be an “arduous” task. Implementing automatic voter registration giving the any Voter right to choose whether to vote or not. Isn’t this considered “spirit of democracy”
“Democracy also requires intelligent people. Automatic registration would enable even a mad man to cast his vote which will not contribute anything to the process,” he said today.
Only intelligent people can vote? What does he mean “mad man”? How many “mad man” we have in Malaysia? Don’t “mad man” lock up in mental hospital? How could they come out to vote? How does he ensures or knows there was no mad man voted in the past election?
“Disqualifying them would go against their rights…I also heard that indelible ink can be easily obtained from Thailand. What if voters ink their fingers themselves before casting their vote? Can you imagine the chaos that will erupt when they are barred from voting?” said the EC deputy head.
How many voter will spend money to buy indelible ink and to ink their fingers for no reason? How many voters would do that? How many voters will go to Thailand to buy indelible ink?
He said democracy also requires intelligent people. Looking at his reply, is he sound intelligent?
MalaysianCare, the issue of indelible ink purchased elsewhere and used during election came up in last GE. it seemed there were conspiracy by certain groups to mark known voters for the opposing candidates thus preventing them from voting. That was the reason given by EC the indelible was aborted at the last minute.
I believe the true reason was that the law was not amended to allow the use of indelible ink.
Automatic voter registration has merits and demerits. For those people who never bothered to change their IC address will find themselves voters of constituencies they no longer live in. If a 21 year old had died and his family fails to record his death with NRD, such deceased person will automatically become a voter.
I find that Bersih should have been more proactive and provided a comprehensive detailed proposed amendment to the relevant laws. If EC and Govt refused to enact the changes, push it through PR MPs.
If that is not done, march to Parliament and demand the MPs to effect the changes. Marching to give a memo to the Agong serves no purpose. Afterall the Agong is only a constitutional monarch. HRH don’t have any powers to enact any law.
I think one of the agenda of the Bersih rally is to let the whole nation understand that we have all these issues like dirty election, money politics, corruption and put pressure on UMNO government.
When Agong see the big rally then he can understand many demand clean & fair election and stop corruption.
Whether it is political or not I think it is not very important if the main agenda is for the betterment of nation. Don’t we all want free & clean election, stop corruption, abuse of power,,,,etc?
I feel the same too as to the reason for Bersih rally and it is clearly nothing to do with EC actually.
It is because of this it is politically motivated. That is what I don’t agree.
Bersih can bring up whatever political issues they want to but Bersih should not do it by forcing in down the Rakyat. By having a Rally, I have no choice but to suffer the jam and chaos. That is not fair to me and my family.
Now Pekasa and UMNO PPP and MIC youth is also making it political because they believe Bersih have political objectives. I can’t imagine what will happen.
Why can’t everyone just pause and pull back? Otherwise I would rather the police use the ISA and round up Bersih, Pekasa, PR, UMNO, PPP and MIC youth and leave the Rakyat in peace.
Bersih rally is to highlight the issues to the nation. Whether it is political or not I will leave it to you. This will put pressure on EC & UMNO governement.
Even if new NGO with no political party involved, UMNO would still accuse you to have hidden agenda! As long as you are not on their side and jpose a threat to their power, they will accuse you to have political agenda.
Bersih intention is clear and good for the betterment of nation. It is done on one saturday afternoon and many will have day off. Last Bersih rally was done more than 3 years ago. They did not force anyone to come either. The Bersih rally date was announced few months ago. You can do your own planning to avoid if it cause so much inconvenience to you and your family!
You and your family outings and inconvenience just for one saturday is more important than the national issues like fair & clean election, abuse of power, corruption, money politics, etc? What do you think thousands & millions came out to protest in Middle East without fear and taking bullets? Would they behave like you to complain inconvenience just for one saturday?
With or without Bersih rally Perksa & UMNO thugs making street protest from time to time without restriction. Is this something new to you?
Who are coming out to protest? Aren’t they also rakyat? ISA is used against UMNO opponents and dissents. Something new to you? Are you suggesting police should use ISA to round up 100,000 or more rakyat and put them in Kamunting Camp just because someone disturb your saturday outings? Only you are rakyat but not the protesters?
Maybe you can tell Bersih organiser which route you are going to use on 9 July so that they can plan ahead to avoid and cause any inconvenience to you and family outings. Is that okay to you?
Didn’t you hear that “Choose a route and we will follow, Bersih tells IGP”
When you are suggesting Police to use ISA to arrest protesters, have you thought of their family members and young children?
Are you okay for them to lock in Kamunting camp for few years without trial?
Are you okay to see their children and wife/husband and family members suffer?
Are you okay for their young children withou daddy or mummy for few years?
Are you going to provide financial assistance to their family members?
All they are doing are to demand free & clean election, stop corruption, abuse of power, and etc.
Have you actually thought of the above before you suggest Police to use ISA to round them up? No?
Ellese,
Full of bullshit…, name it it or answer it one by one.
Don’t ever group a core to a question.!
Hey! I’m Not even involved in this thread. Whose bullshitting who?
Obsever
Steps had already been taken with negative response, as you suggested, we march now. Don’t belittle our monarchy system, for this is the exact reason why, we as malaysians, have to cherish it.
Datuk wira’s argument on the constitution amendment is a fair comment. Your insinuation of the many constitutional amendments show your ignorance.
That was just your personal view.
My comments was not about constitutional amendments. His view was that arduos task to make amendments.
He used the excuse not to amend the act because of arduos task.
My reply was that why the UMNO government amended so many act/legistration and introduced many acts/legistration.
That’s the point. The most arduous thing to do is amending the consti. That’s fact and basic. The fact that it’s being amended many times do not negate that fact. Our consti is amended many times because we have to much detailed like even judges salary as compared to US consti. Now google me when we became Malaysia and when Singapore left Malaysia how many amendments were affected? Banyak kan. So don’t spin this puerile argument. As usual I advice you to rajin membaca sedikit.
Making amentments or introduction on other acts/legistration not considered arduos task. Making amending Article 119 will consider arduos task. This is typical of lame excuse!
If the amending Article 119 is for the betterment of nation, what not even if will be arduos task.
Talk to PR or Bersih or Bar Council, they might willing to offer free service to help the arduos task!
Please read Wikipedia on our constituional amendment. Don’t forget even pr fail to amend selangor consti on khusrin issue.
Now with me you can’t run away and digress from topic. How many amendments were made mc? Please google. Now do you understand our constitutional structure?
Ellese,
Okay…you might be or not be right…, assuming you are right…, then please enlighten us.on our constitutional structure.
Most are lame …., but then not kids in this forum.
I will entertain you this time. Its easily available by google. I’ll repaste and refrain from commenting unless you request me to.
“…for an informed debate about whether the frequency and number of amendments represent a systematic legislative disregard of the spirit of the Constitution, one must distinguish between changes that are technical and those that are fundamental and be aware that the Malaysian Constitution is a much longer document than other constitutions that it is often benchmarked against for number of amendments made. For example the US Constitution has less than five thousand words whereas the Malaysian Constitution with its many schedules contains more than 60,000 words, making it more than 12 times longer than the US constitution. This is so because the Malaysian Constitution lays downs very detailed provisions governing micro issues such as revenue from toddy shops, the number of High Court judges and the amount of federal grants to states. It is not surprising therefore that over the decades changes needed to be made to keep pace with the growth of the nation and changing circumstance, such as increasing the number of judges (due to growth in population and economic activity) and the amount of federal capitation grants to each State (due to inflation). For example, on capitation grants alone, the Constitution has been amended on three occasions, in 1977, 1993 and most recently in 2002, to increase federal capitation grants to the States.
Furthermore, a very substantial number of amendments were necessitated by territorial changes such as the admission of Singapore, Sabah and Sarawak, which required a total of 118 individual amendments (via the Malaysia Act 1963) and the creation of Federal Territories. All in all, the actual number of Constitutional amendments that touched on fundamental issues is only a small fraction of the total.”
Ellese,
So..how much amendments was that…?
Forget about micro issues like Toddy shops and all that…, There is only one or two in Kl.
What Core and Fundamental issues were amended..? Was it done just because the ruling party had more then the 2/3 majority..?
Were the Guys in other component parties playing themselves to glory for UMNO to dictate these amendments..?
If at all you need to amend the constitution …we must have consensus.., not just a 2/3 majority.
SPR…, a lap DOG for the ruling party can make BN win with a 2/3 Maj…even with 52% popularity votes…, so what we need in future is to have a referendum on all amendments.
Feel we will not face this in future…, but will await your reply.
I purposely cut the quote there. If you continue to read what I ask you to google, you will realise there’s figures for you to have a feel of all amendments made. Again since you ask I’ll entertain n quote verbatim.
But before that I’m not sure whether you and mc digest what the above say. From the above:
Do you agree that argument based on constitutional numbers is misleading?
Do you agree that a constitution which is short and contain general principles will have less amendments than those which is long and detail containing very micro details.
Do you agree that when the consti is amended on one matter there’s a lot of individual consequential amenmends? Thus to count individual amendment is misleading?
Do you agree then perhaps to have a feel on numbers of consti amendments it’s better not to compare with those with short consti and more appropriate with consti which is similarly detailed like Indian consti?
My view is that argument on number of amendments are inconclusive and doesn’t represent anything beneficial save for political propaganda. It’s the substance which is important. Nevertheless I will try as much entertain your numbers argument.
Ellese,
Alamak Melayu UMNO tak sedardiri…? I just cannot digest ..what you wrote…, in future…go step by step.
i’m just a idiot in this forum…need time to digress.
So long as you treat others with respect and not stupid and disdain, I will accord the same. None of the argument above has been raised by UMNO. It’s mine from what I know.
I quote verbatim. Not even an UMNO position. But you try to pigeon hole it again by disdainly saying I’m UMNO melayu lupa diri. Why this mindset? Everytime you disagree you set you blame on UMNO.
Anyway, do you agree with my my questions above. We need to proceed.
Observer
I noted your point that Bersih or any of our MPs have never put in a private members bill to amend the Election Act. You might have a valid point.
Bersih rally demand the following:
-Clean the electoral roll
-Reform postal vote
-Use indelible ink
-Free & fair access to media
-Minimum 21 days campaign period
-Strengthen public institutions
-Stop corruption
-Stop dirty politics
But do you really need to amend the Election Act in order to achive the above? Which one of them need the amendment of Election Act? If one or two need the admendment of Election Act, why can’t the rest be done?
Do you need to amend the Election Act in order to clean the electora roll?
Do you need to amend the Election Act to reform postal vote?
Do you need to amend the Election Act for the introduction of indelible ink?
Do you need to amend the Election Act to clean up corruption? Don’t we have MACC/police?
Police use violence to break up peaceful PR political rallies & Ceramah. BN are always free to hold political rallies and ceramah. UMNO use ISA to arrest political oponents and dissents. How could the amendment of Election Act help? Don’t we have the right to freedom of speech under Federal constitution? No?
Vote buying, gerrymandering, vote rigging and phantom voting. The recent elections in Sarawak caricatured rampant vote buying, particularly in rural and poor areas.
Bersih has lobbied the Election Commission to reform postal voting, use indelible ink, clean up the electoral roll, allow all parties access to the media and introduce a minimum 21-day campaign period. What is the function of EC? Shouldn’t they get involved to draft out amendment of Election Act if there is a need to achieve the above demand?
How could the amendment of Election Act will help to stop vote buying, corruption? Don’t we have MACC to stop and arrest those leaders involved in vote buying and corrupt?
MalaysianCare, EC powers are only that being given under the relevant acts. EC can’t do what is not provided under the acts. To ask EC to do other things outside the act is beyond EC powers.
For example, cleaning electoral roll. How to remove voters who are dead but their next of kin failed to inform the NRD or who has moved but didn’t inform EC? We have to propose the manner and then amend the law so that EC can act.
Same goes for the other 4 points requested by Bersih.
Points 5-8 has nothing to do with EC. No need to amend laws.
What are your suggestions for points 1-5?
1. EC should sit down with Bersih organisers to look through those discrepancies identified and find the way to clean up electoral roll.
Can’t the government provide the death data to EC to update the electoral? Nowdays the IT is so advance. It can be easily done by IT process.
2. Again sit down with Bersih organisers to find a way to address their concern and issues. To find a way to eliminate double voting by ex-servicemen and etc
3. It can be done. Remember government spent millions for inedible ink. Why abandoned subsequently? The reason was given that people will ink their fingers before voting? Can you believe the story?
4. UMNO governemnt in control of MSM using rakyat money. Only today Najib gave warning to private broadcaster not to report Bersih rally and metioning the date. Can UMNO government gave instruction to MSM to give time slot for PR leaders to make speeches. It can be done but they scarce to do it.
5.Minimum 21 days period. I am not sure if there is a need to amend to Act. Is current 14 days clearly stated in the Act? Maybe you can help to point it out if 14 says is under the Act.
MC,
1. The discrepancies in the electoral roll occurs where deceased voters remain as voters, people being registered in same address (less a problem because after 2002 you need to vote based on your IC address) and double voting (postal votes and normal votes). What ever laws amended, it is going to take time to clean up maybe many more years.
2. I think the issue on Postal Votes is to expand those who can be a postal voter. Not really on the procedures. If EC is stumped, I sure there are many in Bersih who can come up with detailed procedures. The question is why weren’t there any?
3. Maybe we should use biometric system instead of indelible ink. I am sure the laws can be amended to allow for this new technology.
4. MSM that uses rakyat’s money is only RTM. Media Prima, NST, Utusan and Star are owned by BN component parties. Harakah, various Online media are owned by PR or PR’s sympathisers. Realistically I can’t imagine Harakah or Malaysia Today can be forced by law to give space to any BN candidates. Likewise for TV3 or utusan to PR candidates.
5. I think the law provides a minimum and a maximum days of campaigning. Discretion is given to EC to fix the period. This is to give flexibility to EC to vary depending on size of the election constituency. Maybe we should just fix by law to 21 days regardless the size of the election constituency.
1. No need admenment to Election Act. It can be done with the help of IT team. Why country like Singapore, UK and other country hardly has this kind of diresrepancy and problem? Can’t EC learn something from Singapore or UK or Australia?
2. How do you know Bersih never come up one? Have you spoken or contacted to Bersih?
3. If UMNO refused to use indelible ink, would they agree to biometric system?
4. Don’t you see MT always have news about view from BN leaders & Perkasa? I just read a report from MT. EC: Bersih intends to overthrow govt. MT report every major news from PR & BN. Which BN leader want to have a space or article appear in MT? Let’s put it in testing, shall we? You or get one BN leader to write an article to criticise PR and send it to MT. Let’s see if they would reject your article or not. You don’t need a law to force MT. I am sure they will happy to put it up for you. Everyday I read the news about BN leaders in Malaysiakini & MI. I can read the news (Najib: Street demonstrations are destructive. Minimum wage bill passed) in MI. Can you?
Even RTM is good if it can make some time slot for PR leader to voice out.
5. Thanks for saying that EC can change campaign period to 21 days if they choose to do so without the need to amend the Election Act. It can be done.
For your info MT MI practice censorship while believing in the freedom of speech. The last time you spun for MI you couldn’t defend and ramble as usual. You’re in for bersih not bcause you believe in it. It’s because of your hatred of govt n this is an opportunity to thumb down the govt. Need I elaborate on your inconsistent stand?
I am here to support Bersih rally and criticise the corrupt regime!!
Just put MT in testing. Write an article and send it to MT to publish it. Let’s see if they will publish it. You can write to RPK or MT to chanlenge to publish it. If they refused, show your correspondence with MT here. We will comment about it.
I am not so sure about MI. Many of my comments in MI were not published. No ideas. But they do report PR & BN view and news.
Your view on MI, MT & Malaysiakini bias just your personal view. I do see they report news on various issues from PR & BN. Whether their reporting is balance or not it is up to readers to judge.
MAS RM billion scandals….PKFZ..RM.billions scandals…..Perwaja…RM billion scandal….submarine scandal….abuse of power…and etc. Are we wrong to criticise UMNO government & law enforcement?
I critcise many scandals involved UMNO government & cronies. I can see clearly you are very very upset about my criticism on UMNO scandals!! Why so upset?
Don’t worry, I will equally criticise PR government scandals if reported in the news. Are you happy now?
So far you are the Only one upset about view. I don’t know the rest of the commentators. Maybe they are equally upset like you. I am not surprised at all as all your comments so far were about how you defend UMNO & IA Hypocrite and various scandals.
Again your style of pigeon holing me with sweeping statement to cast aspersion. Many of my writings actually criticise you as a person but too thick skin to accept.
Let’s take example. You accuse me all my comments were about defending UMNO. On the right of demo of KJ and IA to demonstrate on the same day, my stand and ambiga and bersih coordinator are exactly the same. You and pr supporter objected to it. Is ambiga suddenly pro UMNO? Should we condemn ambiga?
Let’s take another. I condemn meek of racism while you initially defended him and then plead ignorance. This anti racism stand is an UMNO stand? Is PR racists? Nothing doing with politics.
It’s you who when cornered plead ignorance and square pegging it as UMNO defender. Now tell me again is ambiga an UMNO acolyte for having a similar stand with me?
Ellese,
Am i a idiot…? What’s a rally and what a demo..?
You sound wise …but you do know how to spin…, (deleted by admin)…, , please answer me…, bro need to knock off,
I’ve answered above. (deleted by admin)
This one not yellow T-shirt but orange… How can you help us!
http://thestaronline.tv/v/7201
The Najib administration has warned private broadcasters against mentioning the planned Bersih rally or the protest date.
The Malaysian Insider understands that the Malaysian Communications and Multimedia Commission (MCMC) called in media executives in the past week to inform them of the new regulations.
Private broadcasters can’t mention Bersih rally & the protest date!!
Is this sound like Communist country? Sound like China? I thought the police just arrested over 30 activitists for the attempt to revive communism?
In China you still free to wear Yellow & Black T-Shirt!!
I have concluded that neither Bersih or any of our MPs have put in a private members bill to amend the Election Act, I wish to propose the following for discussion and further refinement by all commentators. Hopefully after that, we can ask our sleeping MP to start to do their job and present the amendments in the current session of the Parliament:
1.Cleaning up electoral roll
Every person who is eligible to vote must reregister as a voter ever 3 years submitting proof of residence to the Election Commission. Failure on such person to reregister would disqualify such person as a voter.
Postal Ballot
2.There shall no longer be postal ballot. It is mandatory for every eligible voter to register as a voter and vote in the constituency of his residence.
3.Indelible Ink
Upon a voter exercising his right to vote during any election, his thumb or any part of his limb shall be marked with an indelible ink to indicate that he has exercised his constitutional right. Such voters having so marked are not allowed to exercise his vote again.
4. 21 days campaign
There shall be 21 days of campaign in any election held.
5. Free Access to Media
It shall be the constitutional right of every candidate in an election to have access to any media.
“I have concluded that neither Bersih or any of our MPs have put in a private members bill to amend the Election Act”
Under what legal provision can Bersih submit a private member’s bill?
You “conclude” or do you only “guess” that no MPs have ever submitted a private member’s bill to amend the Elections Act?
If you claim to “conclude”, then I assume you must have carried out a detail research of all private members’ bills since the beginning of our parliamentary system?
“Every person who is eligible to vote must re-register as a voter every 3 years…”
I think you are either very mad or very stupid. Do you know what a mammoth, if not near impossible task it is to re-register nearly 12 million voters every 3 years?
“Failure on such person to re-register would disqualify such person as a voter.”
You must be a pervert to be able to think of such an idea to disenfranchise voters!
“There shall no longer be postal ballot.”
So you are saying that all Malaysian voters who happen to be out of the country when elections are held should remain disenfranchised. Tell us why? You have to be a pervert!
“Upon a voter exercising his right to vote during any election, his thumb or any part of his limb shall be marked with an indelible ink…”
1st good suggestion from you. However, this idea is not original from you! Bersih and others have been harping on this idea for some time now.
“There shall be 21 days of campaign in any election held”
“It shall be the constitutional right of every candidate in an election to have access to any media.”
Decent suggestions, but again not original. Opposition have been harping on longer campaign periods and fair access to media for years now. Either you have been sleeping all this time or you are very young and are not aware of what’s been happening.
Finally, can I assume that you have read the Elections Act in it’s entirety for you to suggest amendments to the Act?
Ong, from your reply obviously you have not read Bersih’s 8 point memo. The 5 points above are what Bersih’s demands. If you disagree with Bersih’s demands you don’t have to be rude to others. You must be working for EC since you disagree with 3 of the Bersih’s points only.
FYI, there has been on 1 private members bill since 1957 based on a provision enshrined in the Federal Constitution.
Please feel free to give constructive suggestions.
My comments are based on your proposals (You wrote “I wish to propose the following for discussion”), not on Bersih’s. Whether I agree or disagree with Bersih’s proposals is not relevant.
Ong
I read your reply to observer. Some of your points are good valid points like the practicallity of re-register 12M voters every 3 years.
But I think calling someone “Pervert” is too strong.
How else would you describe someone who think it’s OK to disenfranchise citizens’ right to vote?
Ong,
It’s a norm in our country…, we have ketuanan melayu, 1malaysia, 1 apa nama tu……, biasa ..bro…just norm.
” The World is a dangerous place not because of those who do evil ,
but because of those who watch and do nothing ” ( Albert
Einstein )
I read the 8 point memo proposed by Bersih.
My view is that only 5 points are related to the Election Commission. The other 3 I suppose is just icing to make it look a lot.
Most of the 5 points require amendments of the election law. I wonder since 2008 how many times have PR proposed a private members bill to amend the election law?
I assume that there must have been numerous unsuccesful attempts otherwise PR would not have resorted to having a rally.
I assume that the rally must have been because numerous attempts on the part of Bersih to make appointment to the Agong has failed too!
Can anyone tell me the number of private members bill n appointments attempted?
Hello, Observer.
During your last visit, you stated something like “All of you hypocrites…blah,blah,blah.”
Care to elaborate ?
Then MAYBE you get answer to your last question.
GB, I believe what hypocrites mean are person who say that they stand of something but do something else contrary to what they say.
If we say we are against racism then we shouldn’t support racism in any manner whether raised by friend or foe. In fact we should chastise those who spew racism especially if that person is a friend.
That I don’t see it among the commentators.
Do you really have the answer to my question? Or is it just a red herring that you have asked?
Dear Observer,
You have made a statement and please own up to your the statement, as requested by GB.
Your quote: “That I don’t see it among the commentators.”
Please do not make a blanket statement which is fitnah to R2W and drrafick, as mentioned earlier to you in your earlier post.
Can you please direct your complaint to the person concern.
Thank you for your co-operation.
May you have good health.
Why did you not condemn meek for being racist?
Friend, don’t conflate peoples want with parties wish, then you got the answer.
Private member’s bill!! Since when has any speaker of the Dewan Rakyat ever allowed that? He would be sacked the next day. And even if it is tabled there is absolutely no chance that it will ever be passed.
cskok8, I see that it would seem that none of our members of parliament ever tabled a private members bill to amend the Election Law then?
Whether successful or not is besides the point. What are our MPs from PR been doing then for the past 3 years?
Why hasn’t Bersih petition all the MPs to amend the election law? Shouldn’t that be the case? Shouldn’t the memo be given to the person having the power to amend the laws?
If that has been done by Bersih, and none of the MPs have the tenacity to table a private members bill, shouldn’t Bersih take it out on the relevant MPs?
My suspicion is that none of that was done by Bersih or any of the concerned MPs.
So if Bersih has not done all it could why take an extreme act? I sure the money expended for the rally can be used to appoint many lawyers to help draft the private members bill. I am sure Ellesse can even offer his/her services for free!
What do you think?
Fairly argued
Whether this was attempted before nobody knew, but knowing this could be a source of problem & embarrassment to the country, shouldn’t the gomen should have taken the initiative to make election Bersih?
William, we all can check in the Parliament Hansard. My suspicion is that no attempt whatsoever by ANY MP to amend the Election Act to address the 5 points raised by Bersih. Therefore the fault is with each and every MP in Parliament.
Since this issue has been pushed by PR, the leader of the opposition should give us the Rakyat his reason why in the past 3 years he has not pushed a private members bill to amend the Election Act.
Bersih too has to answer why didn’t they push such amendments through the PR MPs. Why didn’t they take such steps?
I have no issues for Bersih to have the rally, but based on all these facts, I suspect that Bersih is being used purely for political reasons.
It is unfair for Bersih to ask us the Rakyat to sacrifice with the jam and all the chaos when Bersih has not exhausted all the rights available for the past 3 years.
Observer, as I said, why give them the chance & make yourself KOTOR. Bersih had been urging EC to reform since the last election, originally there were 17 demands but reduced to 8 on consensus. The last excuse from EC was after sarawak election. My main concern is more on postal votes, there are more than 300K east malaysians working in peninsula, you dont expect all of them to fly back to vote, do you? Isn’t their constitutional rights being deliberately violated?
Interesting argument. If they don’t want to fly back shouldn’t they just change address? If you allow postal voting wouldn’t there be more abuse? How do you monitor this?
Do you convince there were abuse of power by UMNO government, dirty politics by both side, corruption, MSM loopsided report, vote buying, gerrymandering, and etc?
Bersih rally demand is for the betterment of nation. Does it matter whether they were being accused to be used by political party? Bersih organises invite all parties include BN to join them. Why don’t BN to join them so they could not accuse Bersih just being used for political party right?
When would you think Bersih is not being used for political reasons? No political party involved? Even no political party involved Bersih UMNO would still accuse them being used for political party and have hidden agenda.
Don’t you hear that Police accused Bersih activitist & PSM members waging war against our King and tyring to revive communism? Do you believe those lies? UMNO leaders meeting up communist leaders frequently & Communist country like China also has an embassy in KL. Najib also made a trip to China and claimed that the trip was fruitful. Why don’t police arrest UMNO leaders? Don’t you think that they would be more likely to revive communism with the activities they carried out?
My point is no matter who organise the rally and demand clean & fair election, stop corruption and etc UMNO will accuse you with political agenda or hidden agenda!!!
Dear Observer,
Do you think UMNO with pride and ego, would like being told what to do?
Do you think the Election Commission (EC) has taken any proactive steps to improve the election process?
Bersih is already 3 years old. Do you think all these while EC has been working hard on it for the pass 3 years.
If the matters has been addressed, do you think Bersih 2.0 will get any support.
Observer, what do you think?
Wave33, what I think is that if EC addressed Bersih 5 point demand, EC still has no power to address the remaining 3 because the last 3 demands are not within EC’s powers.
So will there still be a rally by Bersih because EC didn’t comply with ALL the 8 demands?
I don’t know. If Bersih is politically motivated – probably there will still be a rally. If otherwise, there won’t be a rally. Bottomline is this rally Politically motivated?
Observer 9.53am + Observer 11.56am… thank you for expressing yourself humanely…
Main Stream Media…
The Star
The People’s Paper
Headline…
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I really takut lah…
Takut apa? The Star newsapaper, ke ?
Haiya… just throw the crap into the dustbin, hehehe !
Actually, ah, the Star very very takut !!
Tak ikut arahan … permit suspended, lah.
Happy browsing, mate !
I like the tone of your write on being peaceful non violent and especially out of love. It should not be out of hatred.
I suggest be less political ghandi style. You can report abuses you see but don’t have to jump to boxing or categorizing others as kotor or coward. Anybody of the same cause you accept. For example, though I don’t support him, KJ and his UMNO youth also wants F&F albeit different approach and view. Rather calling them kotor embrace them. Name categorization only devalue the call for “love” and “peace”.
Hishamuddin is a coward for making a political decision using government machinary. UMNO youth and PERKASA decision to cause trouble during the rally is a dirty act; therefore it is apt they are to be called KOTOR.
Furthermore PERKASA organize anti-BERSIH. If already anti, that means that it is dirty ie KOTOR
I call a spade a spade and nothing less!
It’s your call. To me I think what bersih did is noble and correct. When KJ announce they are protesting, bersih said that they welcome KJ as they had the right to assemble as well. This I respect. It will turn bersih into being non political and a fight for a real cause. Many join for other causes including hatred of bn and they I believe don’t mind a change in govt by demo.
Dear Ellese,
I support drrafick stand on the matter.
Hishamuddin is using stick and stone against the Raykat. As long, Hishamuddin is hiding behind a suppression power, he is a coward. If he has the guts as a minister to come on with a TV live debate with BERSIH 2.0, it is most welcome. I dare him, coward!
Even Najib hides behind his premiership, do not even dare to take on any opposition for a TV live debate. Many mature democratic countries have live debate.
The rally is BERSIH and the 8 demands are appropriate, as matter of language, anti-Bersih means KOTOR.
The clown said Gerak Aman, what is the opposite of Aman?
If yOu read properly it should be against pr as well.
Dear Ellese
I believe we belong to different world. However it is nice of you to drop in & see that they are malaysians who want justice in this country not only being seen but done.
Doc,
This idea of us all surrendering ourselves to the police by the millions was mooted by Saudara Sarajun Hoda from Aliran…, I think this will be a good act to teach PDRM and the HM and also to SPR and the Government.
Lets…move to this ..if things don’t add up. This will be a even bigger win.
Everybody can carry a memorandum to Duli Tuanku and surrender himself.
Doc,
The background is not fully yellow…anyway it makes a difference…, like the black heading for Perak.
Was just wondering…., if we are been lead by a Cabinet of choice or one shaft down our throats.
I feel it’s the latter., scare to say …but we are headed for the ruins.
Anyway see you in Sogo…., will be dress in White….my colors…if you know what I mean..or might be black ( just like black saturday )
Rocky,
It looks like doomsday for UMNO/BN/PERKASA…., thanks to HISH the Keris and PDRM. Lets just wait and see.
Doc,
Hish is a guy with no class…., worst then what a waste paper basket can do., yet he his our HM. ( Apa nak di kato …? )
omg,,,wat a stupid move, this govt is fast losing its credibility with decisions like this. seems like they want things to get bad to impose emergency rule as my neighbour’s bro mentioned today. I think we should all wear yellow on 9th july and then head to police station to give it to them and then see if they will arrest all of us. truly sick
rocky,
Over the weekend…i spoke to about 100 odd people ..but had a respond from 98…, out of this 63 was in favour for the Bersih rally to proceed.
But sad to say some did not respond and that 35 said ….Perkasa or Umno thugs will cause trouble.
Just hope the Police will be fair…, and call all parties to the table.
Since Bersih voice its intention to rally on 9/7 , …then let them do it.
The week after…..perkasa can blow its Horn….., followed by UMNO Youth the week later. ( PROBLEM SOLVE )
Why…trying to out do each other.? Say to say the biggest losers in this episode will be UMNO/BN….no thanks to PDRM.and the HISH the KERIS.
The Urban rakyaat are just soaking the stupidity of our HM and the PDRM.
meek,
I prefer KerisMoodin. It takes into consideration the keris and the support he gave to the cow head protestors. it seems the cow head people should be allowed to speak and demo as they have a right and if not it will blow up. But bersih people who are not violent nor asking for blood to flow have no right and treated far worse than the cow head protestors. what a bloody double standard
SALAM BERSIH DR. RAFFICK,
is that sounds better then “salam 1 malaysia” right?
i never take part in any rally before, but this time i’m sure i’ll be there on 9th for bersih.
the reason……….for all the foolish and idiotic action by the “komunis” government that we have today.
regards
sam
I have one idea, we ask DiGi if they need “yellow man” advertisement FOC. We all can be the models, boys and girls. No extra and cover charge too.
1,830 police reports were lodged between June 6 and June 28. Is this a world record? It should enter into Guinness World Records right? No?
Can someone contact Guinness World Records organiser to verify if this is the world record?
MC,
Must start with Malaysian Book of Records like lekor…, and what not…, lets start with every yellow shirts surrendering at 12.00 pm on the 9/7…at all locations…this bolih masuk Guiness Book of records.
I think it will be millions…, lets just ponder on this…?
Doc,
You wrote “Whatever it is, my advice is no to respond to provocation with force. Respond it with love and you will see the police knees are actually made of jelly”
Do you think this will work?
All suspects the celaka polis caught were at their mercy. I don’t believe these suspects have the gall to provoke and fight with the polis in their lock-ups. Yet, they were beaten to a pulp!
I really really geram when i hear of the celaka polis beating up innocents or suspects. How come God does not punish these celaka polis?
I was in Singapore last week visiting some friends. I got to know a Malay girl, Yana, working at a local supermarket part-time. SHe came to SG a year ago to study accounting in a private school – LCCI.
I asked Yana why is she in SG. She said the following:
1) she can’t stand being in KL
2) Her parents advised her to study in SG so she can continue to brush up and speak English
3) Her dad, retired now, used to be a govt servant and never voted because he can’t vote for the opposition. His dad said BN will know…so, he would rather not vote at all.
4) She hopes to work in SG when she graduates
5) She can do away with the tudung …so much peer pressure to use the stupid tudung she says
6) Her parents have modern thinking and believe that not knowing English will set you back by 100years
7) She said many of her graduate friends in Malaysia can’t even speak a proper sentence of English….shame! shame! And, they are jobless!!
I had a good laugh
orangkampung
My not we all wear YELLOW and FAST THE whole day where ever we are . we can gather in our Taman, our clubs. workplace and even in streets not necessary in KL to get this message across..
Let’s tell them we had enough of their fair play…., anyway its a long way to go…, we can device ….something….before 9/7 …to show them…we are no idiots.., and don’t deserve to be treated as one.
I have seen it before and it worked!
If 100k people shows up in the march , there will be nothing that the police can do.
I was at Dataran Merdeka on 20th Sept 1998 where Reformasi was at its height , the police just stand back and watch when people broke the cordon around the square and had an assembly there.
Mike,
In this case its not about the police…, its the trouble makers ..that you have to worry.., they can just close one eye…, for they feel that only one party can rule this country….., and you can see how they favour the ruling elites.
A case to reflect is what happen in front of IPKP Kepala Batas.., 2 days back.
I’ll be wearing my yellow baju melayu instead of BERSIH T!
Doc, in your previous posting, you always mentioned that this new IGP is good samaritan….what is your perception towards him right now based on his statement which he made recently?
The wolf just shed its sheep skin…, anyway…what can anybody do..? Who ever…they are just slaves to the masters…, in fact all the three instruments are manipulated
“Tabik Tuan”
Looks like this IGP is the same. No different, no balls, no guts, no principle and make ridiculous statements. Maybe a worse IGP than the previous one.
Would UMNO appoint an IGP who they have no control?
Would UMNO appoint an IGP who would refuse to take instructions?
Would UMNO appoint an IGP who is not on their side?
All those yellow T-shirts that police “robbed” from Bersih may end up in the the hands of Pekasa and Umno youth. These kotor makers will pay imposters to ware these Yellow T-shirts as Bersih supporters to provoke violent.
No wonder they are robbing the yellow T-Shirts!
It could be truth! wearing red T-shirts make it difficult to become imposters!
MC,
Known fact there will be hundred of imposters…., Bersih needs to device a new plan….., anyway even with the present momentum…they have already achieve their core aims…any thing more is a bonus.
They still have 8 more days to stir the rakyaat. We must come up with some innovative plans…and put Perkasa and Umno youth look like FOOLS.
marcos did this and implement military rule and court marshalled aquino.he dare not execute aquino and exiled the guy.
hisham is trying to impress muhyiddin so that he can become timbalan presiden umno when najib n rosie baby is gone.
out come emergency rule on 7th and 8th..tanks and apc on the streets!
LOL!
yoko,
I don’t think so…., but then again nothing is impossible in this country.
If we have pedigree HM like we have now and the rest who helm the state.
think 1951 frasers hill…henry gurney….then came templer….sultan gladly allow non malays to be citizen in 1952.malay sultan got kk,pekan,seri menanti palaces and rolls..apts in knightsbridge..oh..at oakwood courts too near holland park…lol!
QUIZ: who is templer and who sell out bumi today? lol!
One of Templer strategy to fight the communist is to use the ethnic chinese themselves. Many chinese fought the communist along side the whites and the malays but do not have citizenship. The communist had support from many etnich chinese as they did not feel belong to this country. Templer went to see all the Sultan (this is before 1957) and to get their blessing. All the sultan agreed and that is how it started. That was the first wave. The second wave of citizenship was given to the remaining Indian and Chinese as part of discussion that lead to independence.
My point is that this is”Tanah Melayu” but the Melayus must recognized the many malays and non malays (including chinese,indian and punjabis) that fought during the emergency as well as defended this nation during confrontation. Many non malays continue to fight the communist unti they surrender until 2nd sept 1989. Many non malays continue to clear landmines in the jungle.
Unfortunately Malaysian history has failed to recognize them adequately
ok.tq.why all these inflation?
Yoko,
They don’t even know how to manage.., they spend more on political gains for themselves then what they are suppose to do for the rakyaat.
For them inflation is letting out a ‘ FART “, but to us…..it’s gathering all this farts to convert into energy…., baru bolih hidup.
If the Army brings in the tanks they should aim it at PWTC and KLCC..
I am wearing yellow shirt everyday beginning tomorrow!
Becareful! Police might accuse you waging war against King & trying to revive communism!!
If you kena lock up…who is going to run the this blog and write new articles?
Chang yellow to Green….it is still safe as at today…!
I am using the royal colors in support of royalty la!
When you explain to the police….They start…to….think….think…& think….ah…!
Ah!…Your royal colors are in support of Queen Elizaberth II!!! You are trying to bring western values to Malaysia!!
MC,
Good one…., , make sure we tell all the restaurant owners and their mee suppliers that from now onwards their mee must be red.
meek
red also can be linked to China Little Red Book!! And China flag is also red!! They will accuse you for the revival of communism!!
still safe to change to blue or green mee as at now 30 June 2011!! I can’t be sure after tonight. You know UMNO government can just change law in a matter of second! Next second there will be new regulations of act imposed!!
New IGP now says no yellow shoes. He said anyting associated with Bersih. Does it mean also yellow underwear?
Wow !, Dr,
I like the new backdrop of your homepage man !, especially the colour…so eye-catching. Suddenly, yellow is my favorite colour now. I will join the rally on the 9th. Will be wearing yellow as I come out of Bukit Antarabangsa.
Regards,
Yap
Ellese,
I am for a clean and fair election. I am for the rights of citizens to gather and express their opinions. YET I am not for the BERSIH Rally.
WHY? I am against it because it is coloured. It is YELLOW alright but the intent is coloured by design. It is not just about having a fair election but it is about modelling after the COLOUR REVOLUTION. It is an attempt to CAPITALISE on the seed of dissent and to divide the country by colour.
BERSIH has the ingredient to be turned to a CIVIL RESISTENCE – not violent resistent movement no doubt but not the same as civil disobedience.
What worries me is that it may turn into a violent demonstration just because commont sense does not prevail..
Doc,
Why do you write here. This is a very valid point. I didn’t see this. A very perceptive point. Please write at the top.
It’s AK and not doc,
I just tapped “reply ” as the reply to one of your comments and it appeared at the bottom
Ellese,
I am for a clean and fair election. I am for the rights of citizens to gather and express their opinions. YET I am not for the BERSIH Rally.
WHY? I am against it because it is coloured. It is YELLOW alright but the intent is coloured by design. It is not just about having a fair election but it is about modelling after the COLOUR REVOLUTION. It is an attempt to CAPITALISE on the seed of dissent and to divide the country by colour.
BERSIH has the ingredient to be turned to a CIVIL RESISTENCE – not violent resistent movement no doubt but not the same as civil disobedience.
What worries me is that it may turn into a violent demonstration just because commont sense does not prevail..
Dear AK,
. At the bottom and missed it. I can agree with you on the colour revolution which led me to write another comment amplifying the consequence. Bersih is swarmed by political motivations beyond bersih cause that make your suggestion very plausible. I was too busy asking people to respect the right to assembly and speak that I didn’t take a step back in calculating the consequence of action and reaction of counterparties. To this, I thank you for writing and highlighting to us.
As I write from mobile it’s too difficult for me to reply here. If so wish you can write in newer thread.:-)