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Though the issue has been around for sometime now, I chose to abstain from raising my view as I wanted to see how some our leaders will handle the matter. Right now, Muhyuddin in my opinion failed the acid test. A small matter has become a national matter and has become a sore point among the people.
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I don’t know who started the caste system in India. It is wrong and does not jive with Islamic teachings. It is unfortunate for an innocent child is born in a wrong cast like pariah and continues to live with such a brand on their head. He did not ask to be born in this cast and it is not right to continue being reminded as such.
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For any books to be use as teaching material in the national school it must meet certain standard. One of the standards should be about national cohesion. The book INTERLOK failed this test. There isn’t a need to remind the children of this nation about something that strongly practiced by the previous generation. The caste system is practice minimally today in Malaysia and it is best that it should not be reminded.
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Muhyuddin once glorified that he has a solution. Later it turns out that his solution is to replace the word pariah in the book with some other word. I think this is the silliest decision a man can do. The book is not his. The author of the book prides his work with his writings and you don’t change the work of an author just at your whims and fancies.
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The problem could have been nipped in the bud. There are thousands of books there on the shelf that could be used. It is not that we are dearth with reading materials which is to be used in school. It is PERKASA and Muhyuddin who made a mess on the whole issue. Why blame on HINDRAF?
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Muhyuddin and PERKASA should be the first to be put in the police lock up. It is simply dereliction of duties and the excessive politicking by all parties. It is still not too late to do something about it.
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Balasi,
I am amazed that you actually spent the entire night to comment.
In summary you merely said:
1. TDM is a mamak and you are angry at him and Perkasa.
2. All Malays are Pariah.
3. I am an outcast or Pariah.
4. You questioned Ellesse’s origins.
5. You say Malays are people wanting hand outs, what about Indians.
6. You are not affected by the book Interlok.
7. Interlok is some insidious means to brainwash.
8. Indians are strata conscious.
9. Religion don’t divide people – people divide people.
10. You want to debate by going on racial lines but is frustrated when I don’t want to.
11. You agree Islam’s teachings in the Koran is for good.
12. You don’t like people quoting the Bible.
13. You want the schools to be secular and not have Islam’s influence.
14. You dispute you slander people because you said you are not a liar.
I have managed to summarised all this in 15 mins whereas you took 5 hours (god knows maybe more) to pen down. I have noticed that most if not all of your 14 points have been repeated so many times.
Maybe to be more economical use of your time, maybe you should just refer to the numbering above.
Eg. When you want to call me Pariah, just say “SBS, No 3″, want to debate with me on racial lines “SBS, No 10″ or when you are angry with TDM “Everyone, No 1″.
Anyway, I hope my suggestions would help with your sleep.
SB4S,
Five hours to write a shit about stupid Malays ( not all ) like you , you must be kidding…., took me more to clean my shit in the toilet in between….my comments.
Will answer you …., but it will be crude language.
You said 2/10/13/14……., I”ll answer you on all…., so we will know who the stupid malays are.
You think you are brilliant….., shaft it down a ….?
Balasi,
At last some thing new!
Please add:
15. I shit soo much that it takes so long to clean my toilet!
Hahahaha!
SB4S,
Don’t worry, I’ll send a PIG to you…, keep it as a Pet.
You deserve it.
Cannot even tabulate…., sick lawyers like you can win cases…., might be you know what……?
It’s all a set….? is it..?
Balasi,
BaSI No 15: I want to give you a pig as a pet!
Wow, another original statement today! You are really on the roll.
Hahahahahaahaha
Opps sorry, it should have been BaSI No 16. I just lost count!
Jangan marah ya!
Here’s a posting by one Scott Thong at http://scottthong.wordpress.com/
click here
that shows how really racist and and 4th rate Intrelok and its author “Poet Laureate” Abdullah Hussein is to be perceived as. Interlok not only insults M’sian Indians abut also Chinese who are portrayed as being ever ready to sell off their daughters into prostitution!
Read and judge for yourself.
dpp
we are all of 1 Race, the Human Race
No references to what was said about the Malays ?
so, if it insults everybody, that should be acceptable for a F5 literature book?
Donplaypuks,
Okie, since some clowns say that Interlok is ok for Form 5 students including his daughter. Perhaps, we must reintroduce Salman Rusdie Satanic Verses for Islamic Studies
According to one goon’s logic, one can discern the right aspect of it….Perhaps, one just have to leave out the satanic verses uttered by peeee…..
Since Hua Yong insist that we can prod through the problem with logic & reason, but ahem……
You’ve not answered my question on adiga white tiger? What is your view on it? Is it racists and dishonour all Indians wordwide or at least in India?
donyplaypuks,
You are side-tracking my question. If one reads your comment and the posting by Scott Thong it is as though the perceived insults are directed only to the Indians and Chinese but rubbishing Malay tak apa!
Abang Ak,
Does it mean the Malay’s are a chosen race of God , just like the JEWS, or a rotten race awaiting handouts….?
Your call abang…., Keling tak ada pun faedah ini..?
Balasi,
Your question is it not racist? Malays , Indians and Chinese are different culturaly and religion wise and we cannot be the same. Why cannot we accept each other race better, tolerate our differences , give & take fairly and works towards harmony.
Do not think Malays are not upset with abuse of power, corruption, cronyism , the rich becoming richer and the underground world controlling the economy through the increasing vices around. These are unversal problems that know no clour and skin !
AK,
Balasi will reply as follows:
No. 2; 10, 13 and 14.
SBS,
Cheeky you !
Abang AK,
Your race and your mentality…differentiate other race and culture and its religion…… my religion takes them all as one…., One Human race.
WE are ahead of you peolple in all directions…, and we don’t ecpect HANDOUTS…., we work for it.
Balasi,
Islam is the believe in Allah SWT- the omnipotent, the omnipresent , the omnicient and prophet Muhammad (PBUH) as the last prophet for ALL mankind.
It is just that the human race is fallible and choose different religions and I as a Muslim respect the choice of their religions.
May I know your religion if not Islam that takes the human race as one?
AK,
See what I told you. Balasi reply is No2 based on Balasi Specific Information – or BaSI for short!
Balasi,
Jangan tipulah that you have a religion. Early comments you said you don’t believe in any religion. With AK, you say you have.
We all know you are a liar. Just don’t make it to obvious lah!
Oh! I forgot Parti Rosak sympathizers don’t lie and insult people, especially when you don’t have any point anymore!
Dear dpp
Anwar’s view on intelok is as follows:
“I read this novel a long time ago; I did not see any racist element in there,” he told a news conference.
He also said:
“Interlok is “not a great novel” but nonetheless still a “good one”.
He says he does not get the sense that there is any “racist tendency” in the book [ “dan tidak terkesan bahawa ada unsur-unsur penghinaan mana-mana kaum”.] He repeats, in Malay, his opinion that the novel “tidak istimewa tapi baik”.
Do you think Anwar is racist?
Ellese,
Anwar is history…, we should come back to the present….., but you should be sincere…, if not you get branded just like the others.
For me name calling is to get the message across, but it can also make me brand the whole race.
donplaypuks,
Forget about…arguing …..Malays are also PARIAHS.
Dua kali lima Keling ( OUT CAST )
0_o… well, this is complicated (getting philosophical too)…
Let’s do what my teacher always says, “Always go back to basic!”
Question:
1. Should school learning environment (at least for primary & secondary) be “sterile”? If so, how much is “sterile”?
2. Given the cultural norm and society expectation, how well will the issue be perceived? Would the current student be able to understand it in the context it was originally intended?
3. How well “equipped” are the forces (teacher, parents, etc) in the education system to correct any imbalances in the teaching (taught in a racist manner, etc)?
4. What is the aim of literature study? Is it for historical-fact (Sejarah domain) or is it for moral-lesson (Pendidikan Moral domain) or is it for the art-of-language (Language/Bahasa domain)?
- 19 yrs student (11 years in SK)
storm,
It’s meant to teach ….the non malays…they are pendatang., and the malay as superior…, but then if you really look at it, its the reverse.
This stupid novel was choosen after 308…, by some stupid smart ass in KPelajaran.
What all fail to understand…, is the MORON PM/DPM, ..swaying with their thoughts…., bastards with a hidden aggenda.
Guys who talk one with their own behind close doors ..and another in front of stupid non malays.
So..what….? Just ………………………….? ( Fill it out )
My sincere respect to Islam for not approving any kind of caste system.
Sadly enough, the ketuanan melayu practices in our country does seem like another caste system in disguise.
OLLO,
I’ll okay that statement, we still have a sense of belonging…..most if not some think we are just pall bearers.
Ollo,
What “Ketuanan Melayu” practices are you referring to? Care to elaborate?
Hello Ellese and Service Before Self
You are the real PARIAH! Toilet paper are actually better than you!
Dear KUL MH,
You may not realize it. The caste system practised in India can’t be bestowed upon a person, you have to be born into it. Therefore simply put you must be genetically belonging to the Indian race.
It doesn’t mean a thing to other races, simply because other races don’t share the same historical issues like the Indians. If you think by using that word you can incite a Malay, you are surely misguided.
You are applying the Parti Rosak Standard Operating Procedure. When you can’t intelligently put forward a point, slander is the manner you took to adjust people’s perceptions.
Please keep it up. It helps BN to show to the rakyat what PR is all about.
PS. Please send my regards to Mr Balasingam!
Do the Hindus in Bali whom are not Indian believe and practice the ” caste system ” for they are also hindus.
pelangisenja,
I don’t know.
I was in Bali recently, and did not see any caste system per se, but I did hear that politicians of a certain surname try to fish votes from the same clans. Maybe another caste system in disguise
When Idiots like you talk about caste without knowing the essence…, you all sound like wise muslim idiots call Pariahs.
Can we say like TUN..?
SB4S,,
That shows ..you are a malay that is worst then the the shit excreted from a PIG.
But pigs have brains…., want me to forward a email for all to see…?
Balasi,
Relax lah! At the rate you are going you are going to have a stroke! I can even see your forehead veins bulging through your writings. Before we know it we all going to miss your BaSI replies.
So take a deep breath……
Count to 100 slowly……..
Close your eyes ………..
Let your heart rate slow down and if you are hyperventilating, please breathe slowing in a paper bag. ( Opps I forgot, if you had closed your eyes you would not be able to read this paragraph )
SB4S,
He meant the Beggars..! You got it now..?
Guys that need to be feed with fish not learn to fish.
SB4S,
If you cannot understand…Ollo, then you are a outcast……, not a pariah in the true sense of it, but a outcast.
If you do not know of Ketuanan Melayu in Msia, then you must be from a different country…
Ollo,
I am from Malaysia, so where are you from?
“Ketuanan Melayu” principles were referred to by you.
What I know present is the affirmative actions and the rights provided under the Constitution. The Constitution doesn’t refer to “Ketuanan Melayu” principles.
Are you referring to the same thing or something else altogether?
If you don’t know the answer, its ok. You can’t be faulted for your ingrained prejudices.
Funny you are still acting to be ignorant of KM, constitution might use a different word, but the practice is there. I dont intend to ping-pong replies with you. I just want to get my msg out to those that matters.
really u are from mesia….?
Look so bloody ignorant…
Btw, dah kira bilangan mesjid dibina pas dikelantan….. Hehe.
This Malay pig don’t know how to tabulate.
Bro…., Sb4S,…….sedar lah kita semua makhluk….tuhan……, bukan binatang macam yang di ajukan olih Parti Pariah UMNO.
Have fun with SBS
Since we have such revelation from a Melayu paper, we should know by know where does UMNO or Najib
http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/utusans-role-is-to-back-umno-says-editor/
It’s time for UMNO to go
Thats all many can do ; names calling rubbishing and slandering for UMNO/BN to fall but where are the votes????
AK,
That’s why I am highlighting on one shot from the Spitting Image…..However true it’s, there are plenty stupid voters who are willing to support the party…..Even when the wall is crumbling
And coming back to this issue again, this book is a ploy of further indoctrination by UMNO so that they can stay in power in perpeituity
Just as Teng Chang Khim, you wanna go to Holland….Go lah……Don’t bring us to Holland
P.S : Go to Holland term was used because Holland was one of the earliest country who are deeply involved in slavery business. They are pretty racist….In fact, the descendant especially those in South Africa has instituted Apartheid…..lasted 50 years……I bet then, there are plenty of “Interlok” feeding the indoctrinating innocent youngster into…….Hmmm……
IT IS ONLY A NOVEL AND FAR FROM A HISTORY BOOK.
WHEN IT IS A NOVEL , THE WRITER CAN WRITE WHATEVER HE FEEL AND THINK HE IS RIGHT WITH WHAT HE WROTE BUT INFACT IT COULD BE WRONG HISTORICALLY OR THE REAL MEANING.
THE NOVEL WITER AND HIS THOUGHT AND UNDERSTANDING OF CERTAIN FACT IS HIS “RIGHT2WRIGHT” BUT WHEN IT COMES TO THE MASSES ESPECIALLY IN SHCOOL AS A ”WAJIB” NOVEL THEN THE PARENTS AND THE RAKYAT HAS THE SAME RIGHT TO REJECT IT IF IT IS MORE LEANING THE THE NEGATIVE SIDE.
THE SIMPLE AND RIGHT SOLUTION IS TO REMOVE IT FROM ” WAJIB” NOVEL IN SCHOOL.
IT IS SIMPLE AS THAT AND NOBODY WILL LOSE FACE OR PRIDE.
Pelangisenja,
Spot on…, you did deliver the message., Wellcome back.
Hallelujah! I do hope that people do have common sense when it comes to issues such as this. Otherwise, it would like Qaddafi shouting over the mike saying everything is fine when it isn’t
It’s time for some goons to admit that the book shall be expunged from the read list
What’s your stand on the quote I gave from the white tiger?
Dear Dr,
Why do we Malaysians always have to be reminded of our differences? Are we supposed to have to continue to fight each other over some feud forgotten decades ago? Are we supposed to continue being slaves to the master of the lands after more than 50 years of independence?
Azhar,
Before Doc reply you…., let me say this is a motivated respond to dicreet the Rural Indians. All due to a fix deposit of Indian voters that didn’t deliver on 308.
Squeeze them then you fall into a pit…, damage already done.
Just like Sarawak….., nobody knows the sentiments…?
Much obliged and thanks for concurring to move on, Doc.
700M unaccounted for in a foreign bank KL..? Well, that should be interesting. The window on the timing to bring up such topic is of paramount importance. So is if it is the case on Deepak. If the matter is already in the court or a follow up on reports from some ‘deep throats’ that can be relied upon, then it will be an interesting proposition. Rais Yatim’s all is not well matter is a case in point. If all do not stray from factual arguments we have nobody to fear, except the One..
The bottom line is, we need your blog to push the bigger agenda – to create a well-informed netizens for a better tomorrow. More so, not for a second, to remember why your blog’s masthead is still in black. Thanks again.
Dear Doc,
Why should it takes such a long time to remove this book? This is not a decision to buy high tech weapons for our army forces involve RM in “Billions”. Just replace with another book.
Thank you for touching on this issue.
CKE,
You are right! Absolutely right!
I am dumbfounded too. But… still some smart alex wants to continue to debate about it here and politicians continues politicking about it. It brings no harmony to the nation.
Just quickly replace the book and sweep the whole issue under the carpet. Let the Rakyat forget the whole issue ASAP.
I am all out for a Hang Tuah novel. Let’s bring back the glory days of Hang Tuah to replace INTERLOK.
CKE/Wave33,
There is a hidden aggenda…, they just want the Indians to know their roots…., which was coined by the British…, but at the same time didn’t realise they are one.!
Dr,
Following your point:
“For any books to be use as teaching material in the national school it must meet certain standard. One of the standards should be about national cohesion. The book INTERLOK failed this test. There isn’t a need to remind the children of this nation about something that strongly practiced by the previous generation. The caste system is practice minimally today in Malaysia and it is best that it should not be reminded.”
Shouldn’t our children have the right to know what has happened in the past and to be taught that there are certain things in the past are wrong and should no longer be practised? We shouldn’t sanitise the past just because it was unpleasant or not applicable today.
How do we teach our young unless we expose them to our nation’s history and highlight the rights AND wrongs, so that our young can appreciate it and do the RIGHT thing for the future?
I agree with you the practise of a caste system is against principles of Islam. It is wrong for such system to exist in this day and age.
I don’t know the facts, were the majority of the Indian migrants in the 1920′s till 1950′s were from any particular caste? Did we have more Brahmins migrating to Tanah Melayu than any caste or there were more from the Pariah caste?
If it is an historical fact we can’t change it. (Of course, unlike Singapore changed history by saying that the island only existed after Sir Raffles established the port. There was no mention that the island was leased by the British from the Johor Government in perpeituity.) What we can change is the lesson that we need to teach our young.
One lesson I think is that, human potential is not measure simply by the mistake of being born in a particular caste or for that matter race. We see today, many decendents of the Indian workers (whether born in the Pariah caste or otherwise) have done so well and established themselves in our Malaysian society.
The basis of success must be through hard work, integrity and some measure of luck.
The historical facts when taught wrongly becomes destructive. If it is shown, that the school system uses the fact that the ancestors of many Indians in Malaysia today are from the Pariah and that ALL Indians today are Pariahs and should be looked down upon, that is WRONG!
Dr. I feel it is more pertinent if we understand what is the lesson being taught instead of just jumping the gun over the use of the word “Pariah”.
If the school system uses the historical fact for destructive means, I will join you to oppose such school system and push for the necessary change.
SB4S,
From a principled and ideal point of view, your statement is mostly justified. However there is some condition that needs to be satisfied that may apply differently depend upon progress of society.
1) How do we identify the scope, and rights to know and access to information in a country that are with OSA, ISA, Sedition Act and where is the limit? What about those thing and issue that deemed taboo in the context of religion and race? Are we ready to teach our children all truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth?
2) Is the children mature enough to understand? Perhaps high school and university level is a more sensual choice as compare to primary and secondary level?
3) Is the teacher that makes the call competence enough to teach such so-called sensitive term and subject? For instance in a class that have a mix of student from various race, what is the best way to explain to Chinese student the term ‘Chink’? What the teacher shall do if some classmate just calls out his Chinese mate as ‘Chink’?
4) To know whether Chinese are okay or not okay with the word ‘Chink’ or some literature that concerning them, I think we have to ask a Chinese, not Anwar Ibrahim.
5) Literature is very different from history. History is fact (or at least the victor fact) while literature is not, I suppose we have more choice in literature.
6) American also faced the dilemma whether to remove the word ‘nigger’ from Mark Twain book, so we are not alone. And the remarkable part is that we allow the diverse opinion to be published in our media and not sweep it under the carpet, in this perspective, I would say there is improvement.
HY,
1. They way forward would be to slowly push the envelope as to what our people is able and willing to hear. As long that the information does not cause harm to our society and country, such information should be free to circulate.
2. I just asked my daughter who is in Form 5 and is supposed to read Interlok, she wonders what is the big problem. She and her friends don’t understand why just because of the single word “Pariah” it is an issue. She said, the book sets out how people from diverse races and culture with so many differences, managed to come together to achieve a common good. One question she asked me which I couldn’t answer, why is the book an issue when the underlying story is about unity? Please understand that her school has the Malay students as the minority and she has no racial issues with the other Chinese and Indian classmates.
3. You may not realise it but our children at form 4 and 5 are more matured than probably when we were at that age. To a certain extent, the advent of internet and the freedom of information on this media is mainly the cause this early maturity of our younger generation.
4. You have actually pinned down the most crucial issue of it all. It is the teachers that would be most important. How the lesson to be taught makes or break the lesson we want to teach our young. But at which point do we actually start exposing our young? Do we wait till we have at least one or two teachers in every secondary school in the country that is trained and tested capable before we start or do we do it but with caution, accepting that this openness as to issues may not achieve perfect results. Should mistakes occur along the way, all races have to accept that we are all still learning and strives to correct it as we go along, and not to politicize every issue that comes along.
5. One thing we have not asked especially our Indian commentators, having read Interlok, is the single word “Pariah” on a single page of the entire book and the context it was use and reference to the caste system in another page, a major issue?
6. Balasi, the ball is in your court. Can you read the book and tell us what you feel when your read the book?
Gosh, re-read our comments seem to portray me as one Umno conservative bureaucrat while you a DAP liberal young turk. Fine articulation I shall say. Everything evolve at fast pace, hope to see there is consistency along the way.
HY,
Hahahahahaha!
Big words & long winded sentences. But what’s the main point SBS espousing over this matter? We should accept the book
Or whatever 1 Malaysia Najib is doing is correct. Even after tons of evidences including those from Raffick why this book should be buried 6 feet underground. Or EXPUNGED FROM the read list
Well, lets play it SBS, perhaps, we should read Salman Rushdie’s Satanic verses……We are matured adults after all…..Come come, perhaps, SBS daughter should read it too. A compulsory reading on Islamic study……..Is it or is it not true…..ahem, I don’t wanna continue because it’s getting near to the border
Hua Yong,
Ah yes, kids are getting matured. True…..Why not lower the age for voting? Why have UCLA hanging over the university students head. I thought that bugger said that people are matured enough….Oh my gosh!
This bugger remains me of Humphery Appleby……The difference is he’s smarter & more competent…..Enjoy! Oh by the way, such person would have been shot if he is under this fella, Goh Keng Swee.
looes74,
I fully understand your point but I find it hard to rebut idealistic and theoretical statement particularly if there is less emotion attach to it. I choose to go along and see what happen next. We are here to strive for a more open society with less double standard, we shall feel glad if there is more that come forward.
Hua Yong,
What are his main points? Perhaps you should ponder over the matter rather than go through lines by lines some goons are putting you through
It’s the temptation of Jesus by Satan. The devil challenged Jesus. Hehe, my apologies if this is a bit religious side
“Then the devil took Him into the holy city; and he had Him stand on the pinnacle of the temple, and said to Him, “If you are the Son of God throw yourself down. For it is written, ‘He will give His angels charge concerning you,’ and, ‘On their hands they will bear you up, lest you strike your foot against a stone.”
Jesus’s reply
Jesus said to him, “On the other hand it is written, ‘You shall not put the Lord your God to the test.’”
Hua Yong,
Short & Sharp answer….No means No…..Kapish! Else, everybody would be kaputted by it!
Hua Yong,
The case on Interlok is extremely clear. It’s not just the words we are talking but the whole concept on indoctrination/brainwashing……Just as why China was so damned angry over Japan’s attempt of whitewashing Nanking massacre in the revised history book
To folks like SBS, no damage to them. They are part of establishment where if this book succeed to make it to the syllabus……..Leading to the total brainwashing of new generation
This would be extremely dangerous to the people, the country & the world. It must be stop…..The book is to be expunged……
Hua Yong,
Since some goons think Interlok is harmless, perhaps, we should make a compulsory study using Salman Rushdie’s Satanic Verse in Form 5 school syllabus
According to these goons logic, Form 5 students including one daughters’ are matured enough, Salman Rushdie’s works are ok…..He got his knighthood from The Queen…..
Ah so…..What say you then? Again, it’s a clear cut case…..Expunge the Interlok….Now
ServiceB4Self
can’t help myself to comment on why is the book an issue when the underlying story is about unity? similarly, why do many get all over excited wen balasi commented when his underlying intention is to make malaysia a better place? maybe we hv 2 many sensitive souls here.
MC,
You are correct when you said that we have too many sensitive people here.
Intentions may be good but the means to achieve it must be good too. If calling others “Pariah” is some people’s means, therefore it is difficult for someone to appreciate your intention.
SB4S,
A stupid lawyer who read law….., but who read it and misunderstood it.
Just concentrate on S&P’s…., you will make your bulk…., if not go for cases that’s already set upfront.
SB4S,
Lets just put issue one first… Okay.
All Malays are Pariahs……Why…? You ask me now then we debate , okay with you. Please propose your first question., make it one at a time…like a girl having a first period.
Balasi,
Thank you for telling all of us as to your inner feelings. Clearly there are exceptions to the phrase “Wisdom with Age”.
I don’t believe any good will come out of debating with you therefore I respectfully decline.
SB4S,
You dont believe that Malays are Pariahs…, just like the Novel written by a idiot…?
They are…!, you need to understand History.
So lets get back to the game., so call par…, you deceive us most of the time…?
Balasi,
Please don’t let me stop you from illuminating all of us as to your theories.
Please proceed but as I have said, there is no point in debating with you.
SB4S,
I don’t even feel a pinch…., but some so call Malaysian Indians do…, so just ask the idiots, to revoke the novel…, even if it was written by a rotten idiot…so call laureatee..
Bro…., will it stink you ..if , we go more on a personal side…, even if it play races…, we are matured anyway.., your call.
Doc,
I think enough has been said on this topic. Everyone who participated has made his/her comment – for or against, yet we cannot assign merits for any definite conclusion.
The whole idea of throwing such topic for open discussion and viewpoint has achieved its purpose and the target audience have contributed comments generously. Freedom of speech was free flowing and it is a healthy development by any account. Anything said has its limitations and everyone knows the ground rules on the background of the prevailing rules of law.
I hope the MOE and those in authority will make good use of the voice of the people to come up with affirmative actions. I suggest we roll the curtains down and move on. Thanks for giving us the space to say our piece.
Dear Man on the street
Agree. Lets move on.
Should I write about the Deepak, the carpet man and a foreign bank in KL where 700mill is unaccouted for?… maybe not for my own safety
Raffick,
There are plenty things to write…..One is the most sensational election song by BN…..The so called of Chan Kong Chye
http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/pkfz-prosecutions-no-impact-on-mca-claims-soi-lek/
Next would be the warning from the man himself…..Mahathir bin al kutty……still today, I am not sure if he’s melayu or indian….You can check with Haris Ibrahim who proofs that Mahathir isn’t melayu
http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/2011/02/28/dr-m-elections-can-be-manipulated/
Hahaha…..mahathir said elections can be manipulated. The very man himself
looes 74,
This former PM was a Mamak Kutty….from Kerala…, a real PARIAH….., some call ” KAKA “.
Doc,
You should write about Deepak and the First lady.
There is a can of worms to be unearthed, dont back down…, why should we..? It’s all for the future…., of
the future generation.
If you shy away…, send me the details…
No…..We should not stop till the authority do the right thing. Dump the book & Pick a better one.
Second, I simply tak faham why go an arm length in defending the indefensible? Just like that apanama said about Holocaust & Avatar
Germany has COMPLETELY banned this patrotic song sung once a upon time. Ah so according to one idoit, even he disguisely said that he would agree with Raffick in opposing using destructive way in highlighting a historical fact……Hahaha, sound like Humphery Appleby…..”In able to character assinate a person, one got to pretend that he’s your friend
Anyway enjoy the 2 clips. And by the way, if you need to use that bloody book, I would recommend all students to watch all Yes Prime Minister/Minister episodes…..Or is it because people would become more bold in questioning BN or the establishment. Recommend many prominent people including Tan Sri Abdullah Ahmad, an UMNO man. Plus, I guarantee profiency in english improves tremendously
What such lengthy discussion had revealed is the fundamental flaw in a paradigm that solely rests on the foundation of logic, reasons and analysis. Many had maintained fallacious position without even knowing it. While they sounded impressive and arrogant cocksureness they failed to even notice the fallacy that they had relied on.
Much of the dispute actually rested not so much on the logic and reasons – which were many and well articulated but on a set of belief system that were at odds with each other. If the belief system were different than we would have arrived at a very different conclusion. This is the result of only thinking with half a brain (left-brain thinking).
Logic, reasons and the process of rationalisation are essentially linear in nature. A lead to B to C and so on and as a consequence we exclude many things. The end result is a hierarchical belief system that has very little capacity to accomodate opposing and diverse views. Chaos and disaster seem inevitable. Rationalisation by itself is a failed paradigm. History of science is a testament to such failure.
Nature and the arising of intuitive insights have a very different nature. The self-similarity of nature – the feeding back of thoughts, phenomena upon itself and the arising of new and ever fresh view made any fixed and fossilised position silly and unwise. The result is a creative deconstruction of all that we hold near and dear. There is than spaciousness and an open-heartedness. Opposing views and positions are no longer opposing but complementary – a part of the whole.
How do we arrive or access to and use such mind state ? The bible holds the answer ; “be still and know”.
Hmmm…..i always have high regards toward mental masturbation type of comment. I will save this in my folder, for the sake of my next orgasm, a multiple one.
Hahaha, when intellect fails…so we now all know that all your clever discourses were nothing but a “syiok sendiri syndrome”
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Anonymous,
Intellect is profound…., people ….most have it in the brain…, not left or right…, just in the brain…, sad to say a guy like you have it all in the rear.
Such acrimony and you must think that you are actually contributing something clever to the discussion.
Sad !
There is a difference between ejaculation and orgasm. You can have ejaculation, without orgasm in which much of the squirting occurs at the base of the dick.
Then there is orgasm without ejaculation. In such a situation the technique taught by mantak chia in multi-orgasmic male will give you … well a sore dick.
Orgasm without ejaculation is possible if you could direct the energy – mentally to either the tip of your dick or spread it out to the rest of the body. What is experienced would be a whole body orgasm.
I suppose that the next time you need to ejaculate please don’t do it so publicly
Btw. why the acrimony ? Hmmm…you must thought I was talking about you ,hah ? Don’t you think you have an over exaggerated sense of your own importance ?
Everyone here participate with intention to learn and to understand our own values through debate, nothing much to do with clever or to possess any sense of importance. Conversations shall stay grounded and not cut off from reality. Self-exploration resembling philosophy adornment does not serve much purpose beyond making ourselves feel good.
And me no acrimony of course. My reply is merely an act of benevolence toward a desperate soul seeking for attention. The long comment of ejaculation and orgasm prove my point.
Anonymous,
Better go write a Thesis, but please don’t quote the Bible….
You are…. forget it…Bro weigh your cons.
If you have nothing more coherent than dots and side swipes may I suggest that you behave at your age level.
Oh I forgot you are actually behaving at your age level
http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/in-merlimau-bn-sees-return-of-chinese-votes/
Another evidence of overarrogance attitude of BN…..Just as some smart alecs……Well, anyway, perhaps, Ali Ketam can stand for PM leadership…..He seems to have done better than Lajib & Moohyidin
looes74,
Considering that the entire Malacca is becoming sub-urban state and the fact that Parti Rosak only have five adun seats out of twenty eight, surely only in Malacca the % of Chinese voting for BN is far higher than the % of Chinese voting for BN in Penang and Selangor!
For anyone to say these BN voting Chinese as stupid, bought over etc smacks of arrogance on the part of such commentators.
It could just be simply the non-partisan Chinese looks to only stability and security, education for their children and booming economy. The reality could simply be Malacca Chinese are happy with Ali Rustam.
Please read
INTERLOK – ITU ATA APA SALAH, AH?
http://hartalmsm.wordpress.com/2011/02/27/interlok-itu-ata-apa-salah-ah/
HartalMSM has received some comments from people who find nothing wrong about the Interlok book being used as required reading in schools. Their reasoning usually goes along the lines of “The things mentioned in the book really happened among Indians and Chinese immigrants what, so what’s the big deal?”
Honestly, I felt the same way until my respected HMSM colleagues decided to pick up the cause. What I discovered left my eyes opened wide.
tan may ling,
I assume you got the picture….., not the malays who claim themselves malays but are Pariahs ….totally and for the fact….actual Pariahs.
Guys who hide behind a blanket…., now they hide behind UMNO…., first impression….Mamak…, then Indian…,then mamak who were all converts.
Dear all,
so far the only articulation why intelok is wrong is because it uses the word “pariah”. How many times it’s used and the context thereof is still unclear though AK mentioned it’s only used once.
Is there any other articulation?
Dear Ellese
(1) It is not about the frequency of the word Pariah being used but rather how the text was worded. It is inaccurate, deragotary and offensive. Please read page pages 211 and 220 offensive and inaccurate. You need to appreciate the whole text and not just the word!
Please read the following article which I believe express the concerns better than I did.
http://thestar.com.my/columnists/story.asp?file=/2011/1/25/columnists/articlesoflaw/7848566&sec=Articles%20Of%20Law
By Singam from Art blog :
/// An excerpt from page 211 refers to the Tamils, differentiating them from the Malayalees and Telugus:
“Satu perkara besar yang membuatkan mereka senang bergaul adalah kerana mereka tergolong dalam satu kasta paria. Mereka tidak perlu takut akan mengotori sesiapa kalau bersentuhan.”
An image is displayed here http://bit.ly/ihAf15 so all of you can see for yourself.
First of all, the book is factually in error and will continue to perpetuate erroneous inter-cultural understanding.
Secondly, the book promotes a bigoted racial viewpoint and will influence young minds to adopt such viewpoints.
Thirdly, in the context of the current Indian-bashing by the BN faithful, the introduction of such a book as a mandatory read is questionable.
By all counts, it is not appropriate as a book for the BM Literature Component. By all means, leave it on the bookshelves as literature but take it our of the school syllabus. ///
Dear Hua Yong,
This is an excerpt from The white tiger on “pariah” or untouchables. Its by Arvind Adiga and a highly acclaimed book.
Regarding the caste system in India, he wrote :
“See, this country, in its days of greatness, when it was the richest nation on earth, was like a zoo. A clean, well kept, orderly zoo. Everyone in his place, everyone happy. Goldsmith here. Cowherds here. Landlords there. The man called a Halwai made sweets. The man called a cowherd tended cows. The untouchable cleaned feces. Landlords were kind to their serfs. Women covered their heads with a veil and turned their eyes to the ground when talking to strange men.”
What do you think of this passage and the one in Intelok.
Ellese,
Honestly I am not being objective at all and I know what is novel and literature. There are quite a number of articles that talk in detail with depth analysis about Interlok but to me, it is still a novel. The reason I paste here comment from Singam is his third point “in the context of the current Indian-bashing by the BN faithful, the introduction of such a book as a mandatory read is questionable.” Everyone is capable of racism but I am in the opinion that a deprived race has less ‘privilege’ to do so.
When I was in remove class, there are 5 Indian classmates that come all the way from an estate that is 5 miles away from our school. Their only transport is one estate lorry, two trips a day, morning and afternoon. If they miss it, they either skip school, or walking/running back home. One of them is Muniandy, he is hardworking, courteous, and often stayed back for activities like tuition and sports. He is a damn good runner because he had to run 5 miles back home at least two days a week as there is no transport for those that stay back at school. None of them finished Form 3, Muniandy pass SRP but his parents can’t afford it. He stopped. Many of them become gangster. Samy Vellu father once worked in this small town.
I think their plight deserved our attention. If they truly think it is an insult, I suggest we listen to them.
Hua Yong,
I’ve been writting about these for god knows when?.
They the politicians have got it all wrong.
Why?. Ask them….., Unplan take over of estates for Development.
Leaving thousands stranded…no work, no industrial training…, the best they could do was Rob…., snatch theft., Drugs.
Then it began Car and lorry highjacking.
Now days they will even catcch your wife daughter or sister and make them a AYAM.
Thank you BN/UMNO….., some will even hijak your kids ..take them across to Thai and make them deform to become professionnal Beggars.
So..Thanks again Ellese, UMNO/BN.
Balasi,
The redevelopment of estates are decisions by their land owners. The responsibility to redeploy or lay off their employees are also the estate owner’s responsibility.
NO government can prevent any person from developing their land unless it is expressly against development guidelines and laws.
What has changed for the estates in Selangor? There is still redevelopment of the estates into housing and commercial development. What has Parti Rosak done for the workers in that estate or for that matter preventing such redevelopment?
Did Parti Rosak amend Selangor laws to prevent such redevelopment?
Bottom line, it is against a person’s constitutional right to deprive him of his property unless by the force of law.
Balasi, since you have identified a problem, what are your proposed solution. Just propose, don’t mind if you don’t know the law, that’s where the lawyers here can tell you whether it can be done or otherwise. Hopefully, we can come to some form of solution.
Balasi,
I just remembered.
There is a law that requires rubber estate owners to obtain the approval of the State if they intend to sell their estates.
Usually, the State requires evidence from the rubber estate owners as to re employment of the estate workers before granting such approval.
Then we’re going to be caught in a vicious cycle. What you are propounding is that if one views it as sensitive then we don’t question it and accept it. This has a profound implication. This is where the mess of our country lies? In this case some indians in our country feels the word pariah used is sensitive (some uses it freely like the F word). Next we have certain sections of the Chinese community says the word “chinaman” is sensitive. Then we have certain malays and Muslims who think “Allah” is sensitive. Then certain malays like perkasa says “30% quota ” abolition is sensitive. So now what? Do we accept all these sensitivities simply because they feel insulted?
The issue is consistency of principles. That’s why I need to see the articulation of issues. If doc argues against pariah being sensitive and insulting he cannot on the same breath argue it’s not sensitive for malays and muslims in the Allah issue. Whether it’s offensive and insulting it’s always a first person perception. You don’t argue on reasonableness. Thus in Allah issue it matters not the reason but some sections of Muslims felt insulted n that’s it. Thus where do we draw the line?
That’s why the argument against intelok must be developed properly. Most argue since it’s sensitive we just change the booklah. But isn’t this the same mindset with mahathir. If sensitive, brush under the carpet and we move on.
Or should we take this opportunity to break down the dichotomy and out of the vicious cycle.
Well said. I agree.
Ellese,
Just rewind the clock….?, who was doing it during the Hindu Malacca Sultanet…., I assume your great great grand father was playing the role of the PIG.
Now our PM IS ALSO A pig…., LIKE ALL OTHERS…, JUST LIKE YOU KNOW WHO..?
Also this save me some trouble of typing out the whole page for you but some areas that he highlight here is a non issue.
http://www.nst.com.my/nst/articles/18lock/Article/
Ellese,
If you are talking about Kuppusamy Baradhan…., that guy it not a Pariah …, he his a Paradesi…., if not a Caklian….., dont ask me what…., but he belongs to one and his daughter is married to one.
Your dad formerly would have been one.
Balasi,
This is something new to me.
I googled Paradesi and they are Indian Jews in Kerala. Hmmm, interesting.
But I couldn’t find out what is a Caklian. Care to elaborate?
SB4S,
Caklian,…..I dont assume you are one…, they do the night shift.
interlok – certainly not the best of book…but, hey it was written by Sasterawan Negara…so, gives some respect there.
Kalaupun ia tidak sesuai dijadikan bahan teks bahasa melayu, bende ni patutnye telah diselesaikan oleh panel pemilih, jgn bila dah siap umah, baru pahat berbunyi…so blame must be on that panel….
Personally, i dont have problem with interlok, though i preferred Allahyarham Arenawati more…
Certainly, books written more than 40yrs ago, winning consolidation prize for 10yrs Merdeka competition was under heavy scrutinization back then….and surprise, surprise, they found no problem in that word…
Hehe
tres,
Masa itu…, people like our fathers were naive…., stupid but still had some decorum….., so they for see it as just a Novel.
But now after 308, some guys like the ones in BTN want to use this…to humilate the Indians …much more the chinese…., Bro…how old are you…?
What happen to ” Hikayat Hang Tuah ” or what ever you call it….., dah hilang…., because no trace of Melayu…, semua cina cap lang.
You want to present a Novel …..and make it compulsory…for school going students…, then it needs some sort of scrutinity….if not just talk ….about a sick Novel about our UMNO Policians.
Tres,
Hehe….So are Salman Rusdie works….I am absolutely sure some clowns would say Interlok author & Salman Rusdie is different
Doc,
I do not see INTERLOCK as an issue. Many of us just wish to erase our history , how our forefathers came to Malaya, the land of opportunities, worked hard together peacefully, tolerated each other , combined our strength and closed down our weakness to be what the nation is today. As if we are borne without ancestors! The sensitive word “paria” appeared only once in the book. Why HINDRAF takes it so sensitive , I do not know ? There are many things written in the book that could be termed as sensitive to the Indians, Malays and Chinese alike – ” India mabuk pukul bini, Melayu malas, China jual anak “.
Why special mention of PERKASA, Doc ? When you have the Chinese Guilds and HINDRAF co-existing to champion the interest of their races surely PERKASA is entitled to ketuanan Melayu. We bake the cake and want to eat it but yet dream of a Malaysian race.
Racial harmony can only be achieved if everyone practises mutual respect and tolerate our diversity. But yet we send our children to separate schools drawing them apart in their early formative years.
i don’t think they read the whole novel…
They must have taken the word out of context…
Hehe
Abang AK,
Before you even think of that close all Sekolah Agama.., then open MRSM , SSM, STM and all the bullshit schools that only cater for the Malays…., if not dont be a loose canon.
Talk you can I also can….., but do you have what I carry in my inner feelings.
Bro…., ask UMNO to get their house in order.
Balasi,
UMNO/BN has to reform and transform is without a question. That is the wishes of many Malays/Malaysians voters as seen in the result of PRU 12 in voting the opposition. I doubt this momentum is sustainable looking at PR performance thus far. Don’t you think PR should also housekeep? What alternative has the voters to go for if the opposition itself is in disarray ?
Bro, that ill feeling you harbour along racial line will do no good. Asking Malays to change and non-Malays do not change is akin to “anjing menyalak bukit “. Asking the majority Malays to give up “political powers” but the non-Malays maintain the “economic powers “is a no no. Non-Malays want this , want that, let us have this, let us have that but the rich and economically powerful Chinese and Indians get to keep and not share their wealth because of their hardworked !Tell to the underground kingpins not to corrupt the royalty, the politicians,the civil servants, the law enforcers ,etc .To them it is the way of business. Why not ask them to use the wealth to help the poor Chinese , Indians and Malays instead ?
AK,
Please also ask the Contractors not to corrupt our royalty, politcians, civil servants and law enforcers!
SBS,
It is all syndicated: those in authorities provide the opportunities and the underground kingkins bribe them through the developers /contractors and many times through intermediaries.
There will be never ending corruption when the givers are not seen as the true culprits .
Abang AK/SB4S,
Corruption do exist…, but not in the private sector …, that I know of,..?
You, abang..want to go one language for unity…, how..can you go about that when youths only mix among their own race for five or six schooling years.
Let me quote a example.
My do during Deepavali Open House is massive…, it as been the past 10 years.
But three years back my younger brother pass away and we did not do it…., out of respect.
Then last year my youngest brother said we should do it since mum is already..83…., okay, will do a small do on that day.
Just before that day my nephews…approach me and ask me if they can invite their friends…, I said ” YES ” . Thats the reason we are having all this do.
My do’s are fill with 100% of Malay and chinese., the Indians are also celebrating…, then come my shocker…., my nephews friends.., to celebrate togather with us…
Felt good …more the merrier…., but not so…, these guys were all from Form Five and they all belong to only one single race….., they were all Indians.
After the event at midnight…, I triggered a conversation with my nephews on this.., and you know what they said…?
We the non Malays are hardly notice in Schools…., and we dont have Malay friends…, so do the chinese keep to themselves.
It occoured again…with my other nephew…, I ask him why..he was not in school and he said ..” No School…., because it’s Maulud Nabi . I ask him, that was days ago…, and he says, the school is celebrating it today…
So…, Holiday for Non Malays…,
Abang AK, I don’t harbour ill feelings among anybody…., I just at times feel we are all headed, in different directions.
Thats All.
Balasi,
That is the big issue.
Ask them how many Chinese and Indians attend Sekolah Kebangsaan in their primary education. My answer is very few and they became the minority lot. Why blame the majority lot if there is no assimilation then. Both parties have to reach out and the blame cannot be to one party.
Different races choose to send their children to separate schools; the Malays to SK, the Chinese to SKC and the Indians to SKT and that is the real issue, bro. Everyone saying mine is a far superior school subtly exposing Malaysians to racial polarisation from young.
Look like you cannot accept public holiday for Prophet Mohammad’s (PBUH) birthday! Susah lah bro, when you do not want to acknowledge the special position of the Malays, BM and Islam as the official language and religion of Malaysia and the positon of Raja2 Melayu are all enshrined in the Constitution.
Abang Ak,
Before you forward this question to me, you should remind youself of the Thousand that are sent to SRK(U)…, totally living in a different world.
Why…, indians and chinese don’t send their children to SJK…..? Why..?
Religion has taken over all these schools, till it has become non relevant due to certain parents upbringing.
They feel they need to keep a tight noth on their children till they reach puberty.
Just like you believe yours lead to the truth, so do they…, but mind you..in a Chinese school where I stay…the malays total 20% of student population., with 2 or 3% Indians..WHY ?
Abang…., did you read why comment’s and did you digest it.
I was not talking about the Public Holiday for Prophet Muhammad…., I was just asking if all SRK and SMK…, must have a celebration on their own…?
after a Public holiday…., any where does these lead us..Bro.
Please get this right…, no one wants to dispute the malay language…., even though we know that we can use it it the market and to unite the people, and Islam is enshrined in the constitution.., so is the Royalty.
But AK, first make the Elite politicians children talk in Malay…., and then stop all religious events in school.
You want them to flock back to SRK/SMK.., you first rid religion out of main stream Education.
Religion should be place more like P.E. in schools…, nothing more nothing less, if possible after school and not during schooling hours..
Just throw religion out from the system.
Then you would see the …..CHANGE,,!
Balasi,
I agree the perceived Islamisation of SK & SMK must stop. The call for reformation must step in. But do you see PR fighting for this cause !And yet their partisan supporters opposing UMNO/BN clamouring for the government to change the system. Will at the same time the issue be resolved by M’sian Indians & Chinese going away fom the main stream school? Do you think the majority Malays will dump the SK & SMK ?. That is what I consider being racist , every race wanting to be champion instead of looking to find a commonality from our diversity, work on it to attain racial harmony. Arguing over racial lines is not getting Malaysians anywhere !
Unfortunately, AK, Perkasa is so much different than the self help melayu group in Singapore called Mendaki…..Then again if only singapore system can be practicised here……Wait a minute……..I am absolutely sure people hearing shouts to pengkhianat to melayus in singapura……Just as those who booted the UMNO out in the 1963 GE……To the horror of the revered Tunku
That was what greatly feared in Penang….hehehe…..
Looes74
MENDAKI is akin to HINDRAF here my friend. The minority Indians yelling at the majority Malays ! We are touching along racial line. Let’s stop here!
AK,
It isn’t but unfortunately UMNO spoils the broth. Mendaki is a self help group for the malay in singapore. Just like Sinda for Indians & CDAC for the chinese.
Of course, Sinathamby Rajaratnam does not agree with that policy
Abang AK,
You are very wrong bro…, why talk about malays only are we not one human race.
Why not talk about Perkasa?.
Why not talk about all the immigrants walking in KL as though it belongs to their ancestors..?
Let’s be truthfull to ourselves…? Do you need Indians to be half past six citizens…., allways pushed to the corner they will kill without any remorse…. or you need some refine characters that will built a better Malaysia….,
The ball is at the court of Politicians…, who most if not all know are Idiots…., even the PM/DPM/HM and all the Donkey Cabinet menbers.
Balasi.
Did I talk about Malays only ? Do not think so! I’ve wote before that if someone else can be racialist so do I.
Agree, many things are not right in the administration of this country and we, voters must play our part in exercising our voting rights. We reap what we sow and endure the folly lah, bro. In democracy, majority rules but that does not stop the minority from educating the masses but please not by slandering and non stop bashing of others. Be examplary and win the heart of the masses should be the way forward.
Abang Ak,
Don’t use the word Slandering…, it sounds that I’m maliciously…a lier.
I cannot set a example…., I could…, but not after Perkasa and a Indian endorsing it.
Ellese, you’re a good sport, and hope tres and balasi would cease some of their ‘unnecessary’ remarks and what not, and comment constructively. What I see here is a bunch of intelligent beings who just love to irritate the shits out of others. For someone who enjoyed Rowen Atkinson’s “Blackadder”, I must admit I too enjoy irritating others whenever I got the opportunity.
We should use our intelligence to share our view and thoughts to make us a better person as well as a nation. We should also be aware of those trying to propagate their views; in an attempt to manipulate the audience with emotion and fallacious reasoning – so we do not be lead blindly by these advocators; be it politicians or individuals.
Gomen and many of our politicians apply a subtle brainwashing strategy here. They will raise an issue (particularly a sensitive one such as chinese is taking the economic cake away from the native bumiputra – isn’t this how it started in Indonesia in the 60s?). They may divert to some other similar or different topics, but they will repeat the process. They will again repeat the process until they succeed ‘brainwashing’ you.
Just look at the INTERLOK issue, is it unnecessary politicking? Why we Malaysians take so long after it had been released (since 1971) before we can identify that it is sensitive to other race? Is it dulu okay, sekarang tak okay? Or is the issue is because the novel is now being made compulsory reading? Or is it the errors and misrepresentation in the book that is in question? My take it that, there are some elements of ‘name calling’; the stereotyping the Chinese and Indians. It is to create fear and/or arouse prejudice by using ‘words (or name calling)’ to create an unfavorable opinion (or hatred) against a group, beliefs or ideas. Such practice is akin to the propaganda of the Nazis on the Jews – extreme you may say, but it is relevant. Many may not be aware of this and deem that Interlok is just a small ‘issue’. Hence, any subtle form of brainwashing should be eliminated. Do you know that the Nazis started their antisemitism through their school curriculum (school is definitely an excellent place to propagate as there is no resistance or rebuttal, only absorption of information)? I am not insinuating that our MOE is having this agenda, but, any ‘wrong’ should be corrected before we bear the consequences in the future or by the future generations to come.
Kata Kini,
Provided if some goons are willing to admit that they are wrong…..The holier than thou attitude.
Hey, listen to me. I am always right. Or Humphery in Yes Prime Minister said, ” If the right people does not have power, the wrong people would have it”…..All the craps
Kata Kini,
Since you are a fan of Blackadder, then watch this. Tell me sincerely that it would make it to the classics. Even Rowan said “It’s very moving. Do you mind if I change tiny aspect of it? The words…..” There you have it…..There are plenty of british comedies you can look….Some goons here even rubbishes those who watches Yes Prime Minister/Minister……In the process, rubbishes intellectual folks including an UMNO man….former NSTP editor, Tan Sri Abdullah Ahmad
looes
this clip certainly cracks me up; definitely a classic. Why do you even bothered about some shallow people comments? Normally I termed these guys “constipated”.
Kata Kini,
Since when i’ve posted unnecessary remarks…. i only posted something facts and found amusing with it…
Hehe
tres
Yeah … good to see you only post facts. hehehe …
KK,
How could you accuse Tres/Giggles of posting other than pure facts?
Don’t you see his well thought out arguments and illuminating points?
He even take the trouble to add a bit of humor by giggling at the end of his posting!
Hmmm, I am sooooo disappointed in your sooooo incorrect statement of giggles
And in true Giggles (my intellectual hero ) fashion ……
Hehehe
SBS
Relaxlah bro …
So you feel that you and kata kini are smart.
Have your day..Bro’s.
Balasi,
I am just agreeing with KK that Tres only state facts and not his opinion.
If I had said that he talks cock, you marah. Now I say that he writes only facts also, you marah!
Ok lah! Giggles talk 50:50 and if that’s not good enough what about 3/4 (tiga suku)?
I also end in true Giggles fashion…
Hehehe
Balasi,
So was Erwin Rommel. He lost Normandy to the American
Loose74,
I’m thinking of something else…, will abstain for now till we have a bigger picture.
But SB4S…., there will be a reply. just like when some Indian lost UMNO and formed UMNO Baru…., a sick and cunning idiot we should all call..” Bangsat 1 Malaysia “.
Balasi,
I just wonder what did Mahathir do to you that you are soo riled up?
The bile and poison that comes out from your writings on the man seems to indicate some underlying issues that we all have not been able to surmise.
PERKASA…., Bro…., and a Indian so call Malay…playing his flute…, it. has kill my soul so did my contributions to R2W.
Kata Kini,
You are not privy to what I write…, neighter am I.
Talk cock like what you wrote…., is privy to you. Constructive comments.., not for you only to gauge…its for the readers….you cannnot be a smart ass …thinking you know all…., some might take you for a Mamak …who claims he is a Malay like Tun.
Coming back to Interlok….., 1971…or 1967..?
You sound just like the Indian PM who claims he is a Malay. You bring in issues from Indon..? You know how many of them (INDON) work for me..?
You say its unneseccary….., just live their lives as a flock and then talk…., if not you are deem just like them …, but then your parents converted to run away from these taboo. Most if not all Indian Muslims including our Tun and Pakis were PARIAS…you included.
What do you expect from a PPD…?
A Biro made up of 99% Malays.
Do you know that the non malays have a day offf in school…, just because they intent to celebrate Maulud Nabi.,
Do you know of a text in Primary 1 without a flaw in English…, Bro it reflects on whom..?
Not you…since you are a Benggali or Pakis or Mamak.., not a Malay…..who can supcede even their seniors just because they have political connections. in Malaysia…just go teach then to make children.
balasi
Sorry that I’ve triggered your nerves. Anyway, the ‘unnecessary’ remarks are those like the ones you’ve written; name callings and other racist remarks. This is precisely how and why the author of Interlok, Datuk Abdullah Hussain got his views and wrote about it. If you continue to use words such as pariah, it will remain as part of your ‘culture’; so to speak.
I do not claim to be the smart one nor the ‘right’ one. Every day I am learning … learning from people like you and others; on what have been said and why they (or you) said it. I am not sure if you are fully aware that Dr. Rafick MAY be from a Pakis’ bloodline? Hence, you MAY have called him the big P…..?
As long as you have this hatred, you will not get peace within you. On the issue of what or who I am really does not matter. I do agree with many of your comments, but I could not agree with many of your derogatory and racist remarks. I am also in the opinion that Malaysians should be treated as Malaysian; not a Malay, Chinese, Indian or Iban. So, you and many others have a good chance to rectify all these if you guys can collectively work together. Unfortunately, I don’t see this happening … and it looks like you gonna endure with whatever you are against, until many more GE to come.
KK,
Well said.
Kata Kini,
It was not meant to trigger anybodies nerves…, its a inner feeling. My late father told me there was no so call caste…call Pariah.
It was coined by the British to divide and rule…, its a practice in UMNO/BN now.
Anyway, if I’m a Pariah ( outcast ) I’ve taken a new look with what I’m today…, So GITA said it all.
I’m not a politician…..KK, just a guy who believes that we should do away with ISA, and also fight for Human Rights and Injustice. Thats all…., it doesn’t matter which donkey rules the country.
Sorry if I had hurt your feelings…., but I assume you know me more.
Kata Kini,
What remarks are you talking about..?
You claim you know all…., who are you to gauge… not you Bro the readers.
Tairu tairu ….but then , you should …………….?
good doc,
ask mu why he wants history as a compulsory subject.
and do you notice the big difference between history for your children and during your time. take a hard look.
mmc,
To learn distorted History…., and claim this country is like it belongs to the mamaks, Bugis and the so call jawa Muhi.
I don’t understand why make a mountain out of a molehill over this book – INTERLOK. If the ‘Pariah’ is degrading or derogatory or offensive or repulsive or sensitive, it should have in the first place, not be allowed even to go past beyond the censor board/committee or Bahagian Buku Teks, Ministry of Education. Let me say this, why only now the people who brought up the protest suddenly woke up from their slumber – no offence intended.
I grew up in an Indian community in Brickfields and I used to joke with my friends by calling them names like this word and many others and they in turn would call me “Melayu belacan” and we would just laugh it off. Of course, now that the word is quoted in a book to be used in school, it is totally a different situation all together and the inference of the word is taken on a more serious note.
The MOE should have exercise care and be more sensitive to guard and maintain the social and racial co-existence of all Malaysians regardless. Today, people are more profound in thinking and outlook and protective of their rights.
If I may add, words like ‘paria’, ‘keling’ are found in KAMUS PELAJAR BAHASA MALAYSIA – Terbitan Khas KBSM, issued by DEWAN BAHASA DAN PUSTAKA, KEMENTERIAN PENDIDIKAN MALAYSIA 1992, First Print 1987.
Non-muslims are called kuffar. This is a dirty, filthy pejorative word for non-muslims in Islam. It is as ugly as any other word you can think of for a class or group of people, a word that stings the senses.
It’s an arabic term meaning non believer. Islam being a religion believes that it is right. Ipso facto means the non believers are not in the right path or rather the wrong path. That’s what Muslims believe. If you’re not a Muslim you don’t have to follow it. You can subscribe to various other religion and as far as my knowledge goes also discriminate between the believers and non believers.
Ellese,
You are totally wrong here Bro,….it shows your schemed mentality.
It’s not wrong. It’s a fact. Please read MI comments by rev Thomas on religious pluralism. From thelogical standpoint I am correct. Every religion feels they are superior. Their followers are in the righteous path as oppose to the non believers,
Ellese,
Do read more……., forget about Christinity, other religions are that there preah that all is one.
Shollow minds lead us nowhere,,?
TraxxFM ….brainwashes…Muslims on a daiy basis, just like our STUPID DPM MUHIDEN….who suddenly got a inspiration from his Wife a second piggy to make History compulsory..
Bolih…, first tell us your orgin and when you landed here.
Don’t distort History……., till people like me will take you for PARIAHS also……anyway most are anyway, like the cow head case and …other incidence.
So Ellese, if you you are worth your salt…., just say God is just about God….., and all religion leads us to perfection….., if not..?
plaque,
It shows the shallow mentality of its follewers, who cannot even comprehend their own great teachings from the Koran, sad ……but pathetic.
My opinion:
1) What rafick wrote is mostly similar to any op ed, an opinion peace, we may agree or disagree, and must acknowledge that it is not a fact reporting, like news. We may point out if his references or supporting statement are not factual base.
2) I haven’t read Interlok but base on my experience of reading the many literature and novel (mainly in Chinese / Mandarin) in the past and what I read pertaining to this issue, I would think that there is nothing wrong with that book (from literature POV), however, I would agree that it shouldn’t be selected as school textbook (or teaching material) if a segment of society already voice up their concern, perhaps just a recommendation to read will do.
3) Luxun, one of the greatest writers in contemporary China has most of his writing being removed from China school text by their education ministry. I can’t tell if it is a right move but I be of the same mind that what he had written doesn’t reflect the peoples’ value of a modern society that are not keen and devoted to revolution (cultural) and politicking.
4) I think wave33 solution is a valid one.
Dear hua yong,
a number of fundamental issues here.
1) should we or should we not accept any sensitivity at face value? If we do should we discuss and explore it or sweep under the carpet? if we do these sensitivities must apply across the board. Thus if it’s sensitive to Muslims, Indians or Chinese as how they claim it, we must respect it. Mahathir did this approach and are we ok with this approach. It has a major consequence in our decision going forward.
Thus for instance piqué claims it’s sensitive to Indians so me we must accept it unquestioningly. Next time issue may be on Muslims or malay sensitivities so PAS or perkasa’s view must be taken into account. Similarly with Chinese, follow Mca or dap. Is this correct?
2) does this mean we also take away arundhati roys “gods of small things” and aravind “white tigers” out of our school library as well for form five read? They are excellent highly acclaimed books which I most enjoy. Can someone shed some light here?
Ellese, you raise a pertinent question but I yet have an answer, especially during a time when our values lean toward a political correctness era. 20 years ago many Chinese deemed the term Chinaman very insulting but I think it have less such notion today. Everything changes speedily.
I did say I don’t see any issue from literature point of view and I even say it should perhaps be a recommendation to read as well. I only disagree if the school children are ‘forced’ to read (i assume, not sure what it mean by school text). And I don’t think anyone trying to sweep it under the carpet when the issue was debated in plenty of media, and in many online blog and forum.
May I know your view wrt term like ‘nigger’?
Ellese,
Let’s go back to your origins…., since you like kata kini and SB4S are smart asses…what were you.. before you became a full fledge Malay ?
You were the “Paradesi” of the highest order…, It started very long time ago….for the mamaks and the arabs it stared after the fifteen centuary.., in this bless land. ( There were no Pakis then )
No doubt you can distort history …., you cannot distort your history can you ellese..? neither can kata kini..?
Dear balasi,
the only articulation against intelok by anyone here is the word “pariah” by doc. I am still awaiting response on how many times it’s used and the context of use.
Have you read the book? If so please tell me what’s wrong with intelok?
Ellese,
Do we need this…Novel..?
Can we replace it with ” SHIT ”
I have read it….., Interlok…, its written by a stupid guy who claims he got his facts right…, sad to say it was via his arse.
Tell me first…what you think is right.
Maniam….was a pendatang in Kerala…., you should go back and reread history. ( Paradesie )
Anyway….., just tell the Bastard Muhi…, to just remove this book from the must read syllabus in History and get Hikayat Hang Tuah back on .., even if he was a chinese.
What’s your view on the passage from white tiger that I quote above?
Ellese,
Bro,….even before I answer you on this.., which I’ll certainly do , go answer all my other comments.
wait and see is a norm..!
Balasi, I’ve been trying to be nice for the last few postings. If you can see,at the moment I’m replying selectively to which will add knowledge to me. Thus hope you understand why I won’t reply to all your questions. I politely ask again what’s your response to my quote?
Ellese,
Nothing…., for me it makes nothing.., but it might offend some Indians…, but I feel both were iditos who knew nothing…., I mean the authors.
Writting like what we do….at this age…, would not have been the same during their time. Anyway mistake is still one.
Don’t follow you.
To you both intelok and white tiger are not offensive as you feel nothing. But some Indians may be offended. Is that what you are saying?
Ellese, I don’t read both Interlok and White Tiger therefore I don’t respond to your question. I read The Kite Runner. It is a fantastic book. But I don’t expect everyone to share my view. The point is perhaps we shall pick a less controversial book as ‘school text’.
When it first became an issue, it was reported in fmt, malaymail, the sun etc etc including various blogs. You can google it. I remembered reading it then.
Actually I cAnnot follow your argument:
1) can you articulate what is the objection about? Is it the word or how it’s used? Please tell us how it is sensitive? Is it a religious or cultural taboo?
2) your argument parallel to Allah issue is incongruous. What was your stand then? Are you saying non Muslims can use it or not? If you say can then you’re overriding the “sensitivities” of Muslims. If such is the case why are you against interlok?
Again it should be a reply to doc. Again il repaste it. Apol to all.
Withdrawal of Interlok Mandatory
We now have access to the Official “Guidelines for the writing of textbooks” issued by the Text book division of the MOE itself, and on this basis there is no question that failure to observe these guidelines will make it mandatory that the work MUST be withdrawn as a textbook.
By Dr Collin Abraham
We are grateful once again for the opportunity to call for the total withdrawal of Interlok for the main objection stated from day one, namely, that the book does not meet the stringent pedagogic requirements for a text book.
Earlier objections were essentially on the grounds of the failure to identify specific theoretical frameworks, validity and reliability of the book material and methodology.
However we now have access to the Official “Guidelines for the writing of textbooks” issued by the Text book division of the MOE itself, and on this basis there is no question that failure to observe these guidelines will make it mandatory that the work MUST be withdrawn as a textbook.
The Chairman of the Panel, appointed to advise on the status of the book, is virtually certain to have pointed out to members that almost ALL the guidelines for a text book WERE NOT OBSERVED in the publication of INTERLOK.
The following criteria from the Guidelines should make this position absolutely clear.
1. Firstly and more specifically “Sensitive Elements and Negative elements” such as stipulated below MUST NOT be included.
“Matters which may be misconstrued, discriminatory, deemed insulting or offensive as pertaining to race, religion, culture, gender age or occupation.”
“Matters pertaining to attitudes, thoughts, and behaviour which are contrary to values in the society”
The book in fact abounds with a multitude of such sensitive and negative elements to the extent that it has been referred to as “a classic work of Malaysian racism”.
2. Other matters that MUST BE observed include the inculcation of “noble values and positive thinking”.
The ethnic and racial stereotyping that runs through the entire work totally negates and ignores this guideline.
3. The factual material must be “accurate in content and be consistent” The facts must be “valid based on ICT methods and must be reliable in theory and practice”.
The work is a fictional and imaginative novel and therefore these dimensions do not apply in the first place.
4. An important dimension repeatedly emphasized the need for critical thinking provisions stated as follows;
This should be “the platform for teaching and learning so as to stimulate and develop pupil’s imagination through thinking strategies and creative thinking”.
The book makes no attempt whatsoever to adhere to this guideline.
It would be tedious to comment on the very many submissions that the book should be retained. There may however be some reservations as to the implications and negative impact of the total withdrawal of this book in the context of national integration.
On the other hand, the government will be judged on the basis of making the final decision enhancing good governance with the important proviso that this unfortunate situation does not happen again.
Thanks for referring to Colin. But you’ve jumped a step. Perhaps you’re in a better position to explain to me. What is wrong with intelok in the first place? Have you also read the writers comments. It’s also sensible.
I’ll await your articulation. Could you give supporting references as well? If you’re a bit of reader would you consider gods of small things and white tigers wrong as well. They are highly acclaimed books. If not why not?
“What was your stand then? Are you saying non Muslims can use it or not? If you say can then you’re overriding the “sensitivities” of Muslims.”
You do not understand the “Allah” issue obviously.
Obviosly you don’t know me to pass that judgement. You don’t even know my background. You don’t even know that Icczb refer to original text to argue. I can write a lot on this issue.
Now we’ve sidetracked. Can we go back to intelok which has been published for decades. What is the sensitivity here? Is it the word, the story, morality or what. Anwar certainly found no wrong with it from literature point of view.
Ellese,
it shows your mentality….., religion never..divide mankind.., guys like you did .., thingking…yours were greater.
Just like you have I do so. When in need my blood is your saviour…so is it vice versa. ( god said it so ) …but some smart alex like….., interpreted it all wrong.
So Ellese who is the idiot base on your comments..?
If Muhyiddin is such a great educationist as he thinks he is, he should make sure of this as a text for english literature:
Crabbe’s marriage to the blonde Fenella is crumbling, while he carries on an affair with a Malay divorcee employed at a nightclub. A junior police officer who works for Adams, Alladad Khan, (who has a secret crush on Fenella) moonlights as a driver for the couple. Ibrahim bin Mohamed Salleh, a (married) gay cook, works for the couple but is being pursued by the wife he has fled from after being forced to marry her by his family.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_for_a_Tiger
Doc,
I concur with your view on this subject.
This is a book that is to be used by ALL our children in our sekolah kebangsaan. If one of the bangsa feels that it is inappropriate then just replace the book.
If the book does not cast the bangsa Melayu in any special or superior light, vis-a-vis the other bangsa, then what is the problem in replacing it with another?
Is the book suppose to uphold the dignity of the bangsa Melayu so much so that Perkasa/UMNO/DPM finds it an affront to replace??
If it does somehow cast the bangsa Melayu in some superior light, shouldn’t we also then need to replace it?
Piqued,
The Malays claim they are superior race,….no such thing they are just about vagabounds. Just like all the rest., its all efforts to built and make ourself usefull…, if not we are just about a ass.
So..Bro’s forget the Novel…., just replace it and get going.
We cannot be a Idiot like our DPM/ HEM…., whos full of Shit.
Can you believe what will happen ….if this guy takes the helm of the country…., sedih …, time to invest on shits.
INTERLOCK is a classic book. The writing and the content of the book must remain the same without any changes to maintain its authentic value. Muhyuddin, please do not mess with the book, you’ve been unfair to the author.
Now the issue…
(1 ) The book, INTERLOK should NOT be a part of the school reads. Take it out and replace it with another.
(2) It should be done in a lightning speed when there is a discontent from Malaysian. Di mana “Rakyat Didahulukan”. Cakap tak serupa bikin. UMNO is dragging its feet, from days turns into weeks and weeks into months. The Rakyat gets angrier and angrier. It leads to unnecessary politicking, unrest and street demo.
Why is the above so difficult to do? I think, it is done for a purpose, to engage Operasi Lalang II, just want to make the Rakyat unhappy and create more tension. What kind of BN do we have?? We want harmony and national cohesion among those of the same race, inter race and inter faith.
Itu tak faham ke? Is the book MORE important than the Rakyat?
Solution: There are hundreds perhaps thousands of books to choose from, to replace the INTERLOK book. Do it immediately. It is an EGO issue, that UMNO cannot admit that they made a mistake by choosing the wrong book to introduce to the education system.
Let’s bring back novels like Hang Tuah. There are many novels like Hang Tuah. Many young Rakyat, do not know who is Hang Tuah? It’s it about time.
Is there a novel on Hang Li Po?
Wave 33,
They UMNO/PERKASA,
Are telling the Indians ….you put us in this turmoil 308, we intent to teach you…., sedih….stupid.
Todays farce( 27/2/11 ) …..will make MIC irrelevant so will UMNO.
MCA with Leck the Porn star…..will gather some more porn stars voters.
Why are you writing like this doc? Who is politicizing the issue? Why you yourself politicizing this.
This is what Anwar actually said on interlok:
“I read this novel a long time ago; I did not see any racist element in there,” he told a news conference.
He also said:
“Interlok is “not a great novel” but nonetheless still a “good one”.
He says he does not get the sense that there is any “racist tendency” in the book [ “dan tidak terkesan bahawa ada unsur-unsur penghinaan mana-mana kaum”.] He repeats, in Malay, his opinion that the novel “tidak istimewa tapi baik”.]
even Anwar make reference to TS Elliot:
while commenting on interlok, Anwar “even drew a comparison to contemporary English poet Thomas Stearns (TS) Eliot, who, Anwar, said was panned for anti-Semitic references.
“The novel expressed a lot of views. The greatest poet that I personally admire, TS Eliot ,was accused of anti-Semitic references. I don’t see it that way,” said Anwar.
I’m sure you have read all this. What’s the beef in pushing this issue?
I’ve read arundhati Roy “god of small things” and Aravind andiga “the white tiger” touching on this issue as well. Do you think we should ban this in particular our school library on the basis of reminding what’s wrong?
Not sure where you stand? Which particular paragraph that you find offensive. I really cannot grasp your issue here. Perhaps you can quote it.
There’re fundamental issues involved here. Will elaborate later upon your reply.
Ellese
I am NOT politicizing but merely expressing my views. Just as what you did in my blog. I am straight shooter and I say it from the heart.By the manner you have written, many would agree that you are politicizing it and not me.
I dont know where you got Anwar quotes but it would better if you can give some references. Otherwise readers may make claims that you are making things up as what SBS did with regards to Hassan Merican. He did it to create doubt as if this is a court of law.
You have to be an Indian to appreciate the sensitivity of the matter. Anwar is not an Indian, therefore his views, if any is questionable.
Let me give you an illustration. The Malays are so sensitive with use of the word Allah by the Christian though it is widely used among the non Muslims in the Arab and Punjabi world. Ask any Christians or Punjabi sikh and they will tell you the same thing i.e. there is nothing sensitive about it but the Malays are too emotional over nothing.
I was also reliably informed that Najib says there is nothing wrong with Christian using the word Allah but than he said it is better that they dont use it in Malaysian context as a sign of respect to the Malays. Similarly it is the case with Interlok
When it first became an issue, it was reported in fmt, malaymail, the sun etc etc including various blogs. You can google it. I remembered reading it then.
Actually I cAnnot follow your argument:
1) can you articulate what is the objection about? Is it the word or how it’s used? Please tell us how it is sensitive? Is it a religious or cultural taboo?
2) your argument parallel to Allah issue is incongruous. What was your stand then? Are you saying non Muslims can use it or not? If you say can then you’re overriding the “sensitivities” of Muslims. If such is the case why are you against interlok?
Please find an Indian friend (if you have any) and ask them to explain why it is sensitive.
On Allah – I believe any religion can use it. It is their religious rights
On Interlok – change to another book. There is no good reason to defend the use of such a book.
Dr Rafick
Isn’t it a bit too harsh (if you have any)? And I do not think Balasi will be a good reference then. Ka ka ka …
Well… I am not sure if he has any… that is why I ask
Many of my Malay, Chinese and Indian friends seems to flock among their common ethnic friends. Now days those who have friends across ethnic boundaries are the minorities.
So sad Doc.
What had become of we?
Please doc, comments on my friends are not relevant. You don’t know me. Anyway they have not read intelok.
The issue still remains. Is it so wrong for me to ask you to articulate what is so wrong and sensitive with intelok? Is it the word or juxtaposition or what? You’ve read the book and making a proposition. Why can’t you articulate it.
Your argument on Allah issue incongrous. Fir intelok it is sensitive to Indians and thus should take note of it. You drew parallel with Allah issue sensitivity of the Muslims here. But in Allah issue you provide rational but in this case you didn’t want to articulate or rationalist it asking me to ask my friends. I am not asking on the Allah issue. What I’m asking is: can you articulate what’s wrong with intelok providing quotations from it.
There is a major underlying issue here. I will develop it later.
Ellese
I did not comment on your friends
I said go and ask your indian friends (if you have any) on the use of the word Pariah.
It makes no difference whether they have or have not read the book. Ask them why they are sensitive about it.
I am still waiting for the references where you quoted Anwar statement. Can you give me a link?
Huh,
I’ve already given above. I’m pasting it back:
“When it first became an issue, it was reported in fmt, malaymail, the sun etc etc including various blogs. You can google it. I remembered reading it then.”
how many times was the word used? Can you mention the context of usage and possibly provide the quotation to it if it’s less than 3 fir us to evaluate together.
Ellese
I know you said that but it is very general. I think it is better that you give us a specific link rather than asking me to search for it.
Ok Found it
Kata Kini,
Raffick has been extremely kind. Margaret Thacher would whack you with her handbag.
Notice why this is a nonsense in Singapore, they will nip it the bud. The book would be expunged.
One clown wanna create havoc in one school in singapore. Then, TV3 with full force publicised on this. Next, full force of law exerted on that fella till he cabut to Australia
This is how to handle the matter….
Kata Kini,
I simply can’t understand why don’t we use a simple solution to a rather simple problem.
looes
Malaysians are basically a submissive society and do not have the ‘balls’ to act on their own. Although there are laws out there, how many dare to challenge the status quo here in Malaysia? It is like challenging your boss at work.
Please check out my previous discourse with other bloggers (many of whom had left because of the ‘petty bickering’ here) a year ago on our MINDSET:
https://rights2write.wordpress.com/2009/12/31/voter%E2%80%99s-association-va/#comment-10632
If we can apply simple solution to our many problems, Malaysians do not have to argue with their Telcos and banks on the excessive and hidden charges – again and again over the years. We stupid Malaysians often do not even know our (basic) Rights, and we usually do not give a damn until we become a victim.
One thing I must say is that Singapore does not mess around when dealing with the law there, same goes with even Hong Kong. Even China is getting (very) serious now. Our regional peers will most likely become more organized and developed in the coming future. Bravo Wawasan 2020 !!!
Kata Kini,
But then again, there is a distinct difference in Singapore. Consistency. Unlike Lajib’s policies…..Changes every now & then. Perhaps, the reasons why companies flocked there.
Plus, do you know that rule of law is so bloody strong even the ruling party such as PAP was kenna sued by the opposition & win
I don’t you can ever find this in Malaysia. Plus, the current chief justice who happened to be a former Malaysian. Chan Sek keong…..An Ipohite
Of course, we have clowns who have courtesies of rubbishing NH Chan to rubbish another “former” Malaysian who is now the CJ of Singapore
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chan_Sek_Keong
We now have access to the Official “Guidelines for the writing of textbooks” issued by the Text book division of the MOE itself, and on this basis there is no question that failure to observe these guidelines will make it mandatory that the work MUST be withdrawn as a textbook.
http://www.malaysia-today.net/mtcolumns/letterssurat/38391-withdrawal-of-interlok-mandatory
kesava
That is the problem with UMNO, just bulldoze the book through. Did they ever ask their component parties, MCA or MIC? Did UMNO done their homework before making it as a text.
If this is a collective BN decision, then Sammy should be hang.
Aiyo yo mana Sammy, talak comment ke?
Wave 33
It is not an UMNO decision but rather ministry of education but I had expected Muhyuddin (as minister of education/DPM) to intervene at an early stage and take an appropriate action. There is where Muhyuddin fail
Yeah, Muhyuddin has failed many times.
Ministry of Education has failed too.
Fail, Fail, Fail
Adakah “Rakyat Didahulukan” ?
Wrong, Raffick…..Mooses just let it fester…..UMNO style
Ellese,
Nobody is politicising…., but why this Novel in School and compulsory..?
Bro…., you dont realise your roots like Mamak do you..?
Have you read the book doc? What was the moral story to the book? Does it propagate caste system? Does it propagate unity in diversity?
Ellese
I have read the book. That is one reason why I took a while to write my views about it. The word pariah is offensive to the Indian community.
There are many national laureate in Malaysia. I think the book Ranjau sepanjang Jalan by Shahnon Ahmad is an excellent book.
Why does the politicians need to defend a book that is to be used in the national schools. The book can be in any bookshop or any library but in view of Nationalism any books that can create issue should not be used as text book by young children.
Ranjau sepanjang jalan is good, but “SHIT” by Shahnon Ahmad is even better….
That’s would make mamaktahik ticked off…
Hehe
Doc ,
You got your point, I feel that what tres suggested should be a must read in school ” SHIT “.