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I was amazed at the statistics of visitors that read my last article as well the number of comments that was posted. At the time of writing there were 134 comments. Several authors even use different names to post their point. Since I have IT systems that can pickup repeated IP addresses, I could tell that the comment came from the same computer. I do not see the need for anyone to use multiple personalities in posting their comments.
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I guess many people find my last writing as a shock for someone that has always been putting forward views that is critical of the BN politicians. I must admit, the BN politicians are not saint and people must also accept that more than half of PKR members are former UMNO people. They are not saint either. All of them have a personal agenda. Some has perceived it as a threat to the Selangor Government which I find it rather strange. Has anyone ever thought that it is an SOS signal?
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The problems of my members are not something that is not manageable. All it requires is for the interested party to exercise its powers and necessary pressures to the TSCAC and a rolling capital that will be 100% reimbursed if it is done in our way. The state has been listening to a consultant which they did not appoint but facilitated in the whole scheme ( RSS Consultant). Their method has proven to have failed and yet the state is still listening to this consultant which has failed in its task. They still do not want to listen to us.
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Every political party claims that they can do a better job. The federal government is saying Selangor government has mismanaged the state and it is the same vice versa. Since both government are claiming that they are better, then this is their opportunity to show what they are made off.
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Therefore we have decided to tender out the rescue work of this project. This is a unique tender as the successful bidder does not make money. The successful bidder who delivers will be rewarded by a minimum of 4000 votes. I say the minimum as I have asked my members to go and garnered the support of their family members in voting along the line of the association.
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What I am doing is nothing more than encouraging the esprit de corps among my members. If it works, I would have more than 20,000 registered voters who will do as what the committee decides. What the heck, I will even throw in a bonus. I will go down and campaign the party that helps use. I will use my blog to promote the good deeds of people that helped us.
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Right now the ball is their court. Dato Noh Omar (Selangor UMNO head) and Dato Ismail Kijo have made their first move. Sadly Azmin Ali has not even responded to emails and SMS that was sent out by my deputy. Maybe he is busy campaigning to strengthen his party position.
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I am not going give out instruction to vote people on the basis of promises. I have done that before where I was promised the sun and the moon. It does not work. The payout will happen the moment we get what is due to us, the LAD and our houses. It is time to show who can do a better job. To those who sympathize with me and my members or who are critical of my recent writings, you can make a difference. GO AND TELL THE SELANGOR GOVERNMENT. You can do it via your Exco and your area rep. Don’t bother trying to call Azmin Ali as he this is too small for him to handle.


MARCH 2008 ELECTION RESULTS FOR PARLIAMENT GOMBAK,
AMPANG AND DUN BUKIT ANTARABANGSA



Dear all
I “heard clearly” what everyone is saying here. I must say that I am sad as most pro-PR readers felt that PR led SSG is NOT able to rise up to the challenge and had surrender to the fact that they will lose the 4000 votes and had insisted that the TENDER is a bad plan.
I would expect PR supporters to rise to challenge and force the SSG to show their true capability. This tender is not without merit or basis.
(1) We have spent 1 year working out a solution with DBSB but did not materialize as there is no sincerity on the part of DBSB.
(2) We have spent 2 years working with SSG appointed consultant (RSS) which basically screw things up and made things worse
(3) We have worked concurrently with KPKT during the period when RSS took over when we realized that our interest was not being protected. After applying serious pressure, KPKT bow to our request. After that KPKT has failed to enforced its power.
(4) We have written to Lembaga Perumahan Hartanah Selangor repeatedly and we get the same cut and paste reply.
(5) We have attempted to get appointment with SPNB over the last 8 months…. tak dapat.
(6) We sent repeated letter to MB request for appointment to be heard but NOTHING!
If anyone have got A BETTER AND WORKABLE ALTERNATIVES, I am prepared to bring the matter to the committee for deliberation. The idea of changing the government and hope that we can get our houses is a theoretical approach which has the greater likelihood of failure than success.
We can see how effective is Azmin Ali as BA ADUN!
Please, help constructively
Doc,
It is a combination of the “push” and “pull” factors for Malaysians to go for a change in government. Don’t you agree with me there is a lack of “pull” factor from PR ? Blaming and exposing all and sundries of the ills in BN are not good enough. PR must show that they are a capable lot and fulfill their promises. A hand shake means a lot to people with integrity and giving excuses, telling people to be patience are not acceptable.
Abang Ak,
Don’t worry they will show their pull factor in due time…, these are new guy’s in the block….., still reading the situation…., and they still have to worry about the frogs.
Doc,
There is no way the MB on his own will respond to you, knowing that the Adun of BA is from PR.
You have to approach YB Azmin…., please don’t jump the gun….., I’m not saying that you did not approach him.
Your way of engaging could have been wrong.
You sound stress up like me most of the time…, but when we engage someone…., we need to be tactful, not rush into it in haste, be must be human in our request, because the other party is also one….., and we must respect that guy whoever he is…., and come to terms that there are so many people suffering from the same predictment like the people in Ukay Bestari.
Constructive idea’s…, yes I’ve…, tone down on this topic till the PKR elections are over.
Make a new effort to engage YB Azmin after the party elections ….., might be there will be people who can help…., not via posting in their comments.
Dear Balasi
Please assist. This is Azmin’s number 0122052020. Maybe you have better luck than we do
Dr Rafick,
Realistically, I doubt the Federal Government can or want to help. BN has realized that granting goodies or assistance in PR controlled constitutencies would not guarantee the votes will go to BN.
Only way would have to go the similar model as that in Felda Sg Buaya or Presint 11 Putrajaya cases. There must be a philantrophic developer that would be willing to complete the development according to the S&P price and specs based on the balance sums unpaid by the buyers. There should be a new completion date and that the new developer does not take on the LAD of the old developer.
Such developer would definitely suffer a loss. The SSG can reduce such developer’s loss by alienating state land to such developer based on land premiums paid but not based on actual land value.
Once that is secured, the developer may approach the Federal Housing Minister to issue an order for such developer to take over the development and thereafter all buyers would enter into a new agreement with the new developer.
Clearly in order this to work, both BN and PR at the Federal and SSG level must work together to resolve the problem and to identify a willing developer to take over. That would be the question. How would you award the tender?
Dear Serviceb4self
In our case, votes are guaranteed. All members would be signing an “akur janji”
I disagree with land alienation in our case as the developer has adequate land bank and the shareholder has money. Only thing is that he is stiff in trying to complete this project. Further alienating land to problematic developer is HELPING the developer and not necessarily the purchaser. It will encouraged more developer to go bust.
In our case, the two entities can compete and solve the problem without cooperating.
Dear Friends/Readers/Commentators
I would like to wish ALL MALAYSIAN a happy selamat hari raya (To be read in P Ramlee slang). This is a celebration that is for all irrespective of ethnicity and religion.
By the way my raya started on the left foot.
(1) Wed morning – The MPV wont start. Trip to Kelantan derailed. Lucky to get 3 bus tickets for the kids to Ipoh. The rest travel in my ordinary car.
(2) Friday morning – Notebook mother board failed. No computer for me. Now back in KL. Cannot blog as desktop has no word 2007!
I wish you all had a better raya than me.
Umno and the average Malay
Question: Can Umno change?
Malaysian sociologist Maznah Mohamad: The only way it can change is if it loses… That’s because nothing has changed in Umno, not even its rhetoric. Has money politics changed? No. Histrionics? No. Keris-waving? No.
Warga Malaysia,
How can UMNO change….., when they have a so call Malay who is not even a pure Malay calling the shots.
The Mamak is taking them the Malay’s for a ride…., just so that the monkey’s son will oneday be PM material.
Selamat aidil fitri
Kepada saudara serta saudari
Setahun hanya sekali
Merayakan hari yang mulia ini
Di masa bulan Ramadan
Kita berpuasa hingga sebulan
Pabila Syawal menjelma
Hari raya disambut dengan gembira
(Korus 1)
Miskin kaya memakai baju baru warna-warni
Mengunjungi sanak kaum famili
Sungguh hebat pemandangan di hari raya ini
Tua muda wajah berseri-seri
Selamat hari raya
Pada saudari saudara semua
Marilah dengan gembira
Merayakan aidilfitri yang mulia
Di sana kelihatan
Bermacam kuih ketupat dan rendang
Mintak bu kuih sepotong
Saya mahu makan kerna perut kosong
Dam dam dum bunyi mercun
Kanak-kanak segera datang berduyun
Dam dam dum mercun berdentum
Semaraklah hari raya ini tahun
(Korus 2)
Maafkanlah jika ada terlanjur perkataan
Diharap supaya jangan disimpan
Kuberdoa selamat panjang umur murah rezeki
Semoga Tuhan akan memberkati
Selamat hari raya
Hari untuk kita bersuka ria
Selamat mari ucapkan
Untuk kita hingga sampai tahun depan
Selamat hari raya!
Dear all,
Selamat Hari raya. Maaf zahir batin.
Doc Rafiq Ji,,
ALLAH KA GHAR UCHA,,,HUM HAI OS KAY NICHAY.
EEDE MUBARAK AP KO,, KHUDA NAY SAB KO SOCHA.
SELAMAT HARI RAYA,,,, TO ALL UMAT MUSLIMS,,, ON THIS BLOG.
Dear Doc & Family,
Selamat Hari Raya…& Maaf Zahir and Batin,
also to AK & Fly…., also Sinaran Ukay the couple and Johan.
Most of all to Visitors and commentators…, the same.
Telajak tulis or what not, telajak cakap or what not on this day I pohon maaf.
Relax and enjoy the weekend…., then back to business..!
Sallam to all.
Balasi
Many thanks for the greetings and would like to wish everyone a Selamat Hari Raya. Maaf Zahir dan Batin.
Until then, stay cool.
Jay & Wife
Thank you,
Hope you had a wonderful ” Hari Raya “…., but alas miss both your input…
Keen to share some of your’s here on this topic..?
Selamat Hari Raya to all the Muslims here in Malaysia and around the world.
For those who missed Malaysia Today and Free Malaysia Today, looks like RPK’s team had set up an alternative blog Malaysians must know the truth where among other articles is this Using force to stay in power: Is Najib, Umno buying illegal arms? which indicates that Malaysia may be heading toward a facist state
Selamat Hari Raya Eid Mubarak kepada semua saudara dan saudari muslim dan selamat bercuti kepada rakyat Msia.
I find it rather strange that we often look to politicians to solve our problems. This problem, without the privilege of looking at all the s&p’s, is really an economic one and not a political one. Using the wrong tool for the job often spawn, like a multi-headed hydra, many other problems that will ripple through society.
Had the BA committee considered the legal and economic solution ?
Mad Logic,
I assume they have not….., they mihgt be addressing it to the wrong guys…., that’s the reason YB Azmin is not showing any interest.
Mad Logic,
Please lah solve our problem. We all know that DamaiBistari/Intelbest, the developer is solely to be held responsible to complete the project. But if they are not obligated to do it , what do we do ? Sue them , a company on the verge of being wound up! A company with proxy shareholders and directors who are security guards of Wisma MaxiSegar own by TSCAC.
We have approached the MD of Prokhas( spin off of Danaharta, we have seen the ED of SPN, we have talked to the Trustees of the bondholders that have extended RM130M bond to Intelbest, we have discussed with NHA, we have continous discussions with KPKT.
It all boils down to the person who is in actual control of DamaBistari/Intelbest. We need to find an authority that can pressure or persuade that person.
When everthing else fails, what is left is to seek redress from the Federal or State Government and by that means politicians.
“MaxiSegar”
That is Chan Ah Chye,
engineer graduate UM ’70s
formerly PKNS
his company owe me late payment never pay
I am sure he has lots and lots of Malaysian victims through his group of companies
Warga Malaysia,
Must get a chance to spit on this BASTARD’s FACE…, and tell his children to forgive him for being their father.
Found this: “Job Progress
The work is on going in all blocks except for Block F (Chairman bought offices in this Block).
Ongoing?
Source: Update 30 July: Tan Sri Chan Ah Chye lawyers threaten PHUKB committee
” Tan Sri Chan”
See how UMNO/BN complex had so devalued honorific titles. Tan Sri is the highest honor the country can bestow right? And yet?
I wonder how many Datuks and Tan Sri’s there are in UMNO/BN anyone knows?
“After six and half years delayed, via the Selangor Government special task force, we were finally able to reignite the construction again” (Dr Rafick silenced?
When was this – pre 308 or post 308?
…….then stalled after few months of work when rescue contractors were not duly paid. Incompetency of the Task Force who undertake to rehabilitate the project without funding and appointing RSS Consultancy, the PMC bending on making money from the rescue contractors but yet could not guarantee payments to them. Now rescue contractors are also victims having got paid only small percentage of the RM2M cost of construction works done.
Can SSG absolve from the blame when the owner of RSS Consultancy is a Ketua Bahagian PKR in Selangor and the billboard splashing SATU PROJEK OLEH TASK FORCE KERAJAAN PR SELANGOR.
Abang AK,
Rushing into a conclusion is simple…, getting yourself entangle from the conclusion is another.
Whether the company is owned by a PKR Ketua Bahagian in another issue..
Who started this problem…, should be the core issue…..not the others who undertook the task to revieve these project’s after taking over the SG.
This is simple logic…., just give them time.., all will be settled.
Bukit Botak….pun bolih settle…., now PKNS built and then only sell to the buyers….., no headache for the buyers like paying interest to the banks…., and TSKA as even promise them Secured Loan’s.
So Sabarlah….., but Dr. Rafick…, need to answer Warga Malaysia.
We should…., also read SUN 8/92010
Minister of Housing and Loal Goverment declaring ..104 housing schemes revived and there is only another 47 abandon projects nation wide.
Abang…., all these are the work of the previous State Government control by BN …and they are all Politically connected to play with time and at times (most) walk away scot free without any resposibility. So please thread the line with care if not your list will not be in the priority list.
Balasi,
No denial who the crooks are on the UkayBistari project; TSCAC and supported by the previous SSG. But that is history. PRU12 has changed the scenerio and the current SSG led by TSKI must walk the talk in their pledge to rehabilitate abandon housing. None so far! I have seen the blueprint and allocating only RM5M is a joke! Without sufficient fund, the Task Force with LPHS will be spending the RM5M feeding PMCs and yet end up with no money to revive abandon housing.
I am fully aware of Bukit Botak. This is a land matter issue and pet project for TSKI. I am happy to know that encumberances have been settled but mind you this project is a long haul, anything can materialise come PRU13 and it is not a success story yet.
We do not need to be reminded of the mess created by BN. The PR SSG must stop this blaming game. We voted in the Alternative in the hope of a changed for better. An honest, efficient, meritorious and inclusive administration.
PR Selangor does not have the luxury of time as PRU13 is not too distant away. Owners of abandon housing in Selangor are crying for help and what PHUKB is saying to the SSG is that we can be the showcase of success for PR Selangor. All that is needed is cash injection and majority of the blocks can be completed in 6 months time with Block F , PKS & PKSR taking between 9 to 15 months to complete.
The Federal Government has allocated RM200M to revive abandon housing all in the other BN control states and yet PR Selangor is pennywise pound foolish.
Patience knows no bound.What is lethal is rakyat scorn.
Abang Ak,
I know it’s history.., but you also knew that RM 5 mil…, cannot take you anywhere.
About Bukit Botak…., my neighbour Mr. Goh represents the chinese in the committee and he told me it’s about done and work is progressing and under taken by PKNS Const.
Please don’t compare the Fed’s allocation with the SG. on allocation for abandon project…, it will dig more worms.
Just suffice to say let’s have patience.
Warga Malaysia,
Sounds like the two lawyers implicated in the murder of 4….., for them…, money can take them to HELL…., so be it. I’m a DEVIL.
Isn’t this vote selling? The opposite end of vote buying?
You help me, I help you. What’s the difference from those who sell their votes for RM100-200, only your price is higher.
It’s like those in HS and Sibu voters saying, give us some contributions for our schools and community and we will vote for you.
Aren’t you saying,’ Anyone who revive the project, we will vote for you. We don’t care if you are corrupt, power abusive, violate human rights, racist, support ISA etc. We just want our investment (money) back in our pocket.’?
Our pocket is more important than all these stupid issues.
At the end of the day, money rules, huh?
If PR thinks that they are hollier, cleaner, better in all aspect against BN 52 years records, then they should help right and we will vote for them
By the way, we are not asking for grant. We are asking for a loan guaranteed by the members and power from the state/federal government to pressure TSCAC.
From where I am standing, at the end of the day, ability to deliver to meet rakyat expectation rules!
Dear Doc,
Selamat Hari Raya,….., where has your patient’s gone..?
Take a good look at yourself…., ibarat Timum we should be.., nothing more…., we will mess up if we feel superior.
Let fate take it’s role…is it not a norm for most to say …ah ” Takdir Tuhan ”
So let’s say it so…, but sabar..!
I think the arguments now are no longer productive. There’s no new argument but merely a rehash of either old arguments or irrelevant to the issue at hand.
On one side are those who support dr rafick RESPONSIVE political model to request political parties to provide and undertake solutions to solve the complicated abandoned houseowners problems faced by them for years. In exchange the houseowners will vote for those who solve their issues. Admittedly I am included in this group.
On the other hand is the position led by warga where the solution to the current problems faced by the abandoned houseowners is to change the government in the next election. In the meantime the abandoned houseowners are expected to suffer (financially and mentally) until the next election.
The readers here I believe can evaluate between the two. It’s the readers prerogative.
But why I’m passionate and still fighting, is to show that we have become too partisan that it has clouded our judgement and our moral compass. Time and time again we solve problems by seeing whether it benefits pakatan or bn rather than our common interest. This will ultimately polarized us and hamper our nations progress and well being. As it is we are seeing this. We are more polarized than before and everything is politicized for the sake of political parties and personality. We must stop this. We must get out of this partisan mindset to solve issues. There’s nothing wrong with the stand that on some issues we agree with PR and some others with BN. It does not make us a lesser person. In fact it shows maturity, objectivity, fairness and wisdom. These are good values and virtues which we should adopt, cherish and pass down to our children.
Is this comment really written by Ellese? I doubt it but I suppose Dr Rafick should be able to tell. Here the English is good and the reasoning at least show intelligence, not those nonsense sprouted in some of Ellese rubbish. Based on the difference I would say that there are more than 1 Ellese here.
Just a few clarifications:
“warga where the solution to the current problems faced by the abandoned houseowners is to change the government in the next election. In the meantime the abandoned houseowners are expected to suffer (financially and mentally) until the next election.”
The possibility that the problems faced by the abandoned houseowner being prolonged is a possibility, but I never said that they will have to suffer till next election. There is a distinct difference between. I did say that we can keep trying except not in the way Dr Rafick proposed because adverse implications. I also did proposed that Dr Rafick should consider adding more conditions such as the party would also have to clean up, among others our discredited judiciary on which we have to depend on justice. Dr. Rafick say the committee will not approve.
I further also proposed that perhaps a statement that may go along something like “the highest bid may not necessarily be the winning bid” as in many tenders, the selection also depend on reputation, competence as well as assessment of project completion.
Regarding partisanship, no where have I said we support everything that Pakatan does but where we perceive they were wrong we should do something such as if the constituency no longer have faith in Azmin for example, perhaps pressure should be started to persuade that he not be selected as the candidate maybe even pressure for him not to be selected as the Deputy President of PKR.
But I am absolutely sure that UMNO/BN must be kicked out from Putrajaya for badly reforms to start, but that does not mean that in future if we see that they are capable of responsible government we can support them again. In fact this is the fervent hope of many Malaysians – a 2 party system with competition in a level field with really free and fair elections. We do not have that now nor do we have hope of getting it under the UMNO/Bn government.
I do understand the desperation of Dr Rafick and his group of of abandoned house owners but let me quote “Ellese?” the ends do not justify the means. Hopefully “Ellese?” understand what that quotation means.
And the implications dire
“. In fact this is the fervent hope of many Malaysians – a 2 party system with competition i”
OK just realized that is still partisanship. But even if partisan we can always have exceptions where it is clear a candidate may be clearly unsuitable, but I just hope people accept until conditions are ripe we cannot be too idealistic to completely reject partisan politics.
Warga Negara,
If Dr Rafick proposal works and is applied across the board and the party that addressed the problems to the satisfaction of the voters gets voted in to be the government – if it is BN so be it for then it is reformed and if it is PR, it has been able to initiate changes.
Eitherway, the voters and the rakyat are happy. Isn’t that the purpose of a general election – means to put up a government that the majority of the people is happy with?
I really hope people can see this point. We do not have a situation where we have 2 or more generally ethical political parties or coalition. I have said again and again, Malaysia has been cursed with this monster UMNO/BN and a broken system which all the happenings around Malaysia have confirmed they are not capable of good governance or reform itself.
Would anyone here speak up for UMNO/BN here I would like to hear it from them.
I wouldn’t object so strenously have we more ethical political parties and and not so many of these patronage crazed politicians here in Malaysia.
BTW if anyone says all the politicians are the same, I would like them here to state their profession and then I will then give them my response.
It’s the same person lah. I did that to you to show that you are so blinded by partisanship that you are disconnected with the issue and welfare of the people. You could not offer any solution at all to the victims save to change government. This was blatantly clear in your posting. I also did that to show that you are so partisan that you are not able to distinguish between what’s right and wrong. Your partisanship was so entrenched that an attack on your integrity (dishonesty, insincerity and tin kosong) is not an issue to you (a reasonable upright person would). I did that to show that you have no value added arguments save to rehash irrelevant and repeated arguments. I fail in convincing you but hope that other readers can see this. I need to find and engage sensible honourable independent person which is so few to come by. That’s why I engage with dr who I have thus found firm, focus and principled. We need more people like these in our nation who are not swayed by unrelated political badges. And we need these people to go to the ground, get connected and understand the various values and needs in people and society. For then you know which idealism is far fetched. For only then you know you are living in the real world. That’s why his fight for the abandoned houseowners to me is not only altruistic but sincere and highly respected. He contributed time effort and money to help as oppose to armchair critic who can’t even spend his own time and a dime/sen. I wanted to show this difference. And you warga who is so blinded by partisanship could not see.
I’ve propounded earlier elsewhere this theory of asking political parties to compete for our benefit but found difficulty in acceptance. I do believe if dr’s model which I call responsive political model is workable we should implement it elsewhere. Life is precious and we are entiled to one vote. So make it matter most on issue which is dear and important. Not on minute issue. And once you promise to give you must give. For a man who does not honour his promise is not a man. An animal in my book.
I know many people has no honour and integrity. They don’t mind their integrity being questioned just like warga. That’s why I thought dr’s idea to participate in campaigning was a great idea. Houseowners would need to think twice or thrice because of this. I added further that a face to face meeting between with all be held so that people have personal and direct relationship and be more respectful. Otherwise like on Internet we show no courtesy and respect since we are unknown. The model no doubt needs further refinement and tranparency so that it’s not only the houseowners who feel obligated but primarily the politician themselves being accountable on a one to one basis. I’ve never ever met any politician who is not interested in a vote. Let them sweat and work for our one vote.
In the final analysis, I sincerely believe the summation of this model is good for our nation. There will be many issues. If all can understand that you are entitled to vote only once, I believe all major issues and concern (be it local or national) can be addressed at every district. At this juncture it’s a promising model than whatever we have now. So let’s us refine this model for our benefit. Let’s not waste time tearing it down. It’s no longer productive. Let’s help dr rafick every little bit that we can.
Signing off,
ellese a.
Just a note. When I wrote this I didn’t see Wargas reply to his integrity. I’ve been asking for this reply since yesterdays evening. If warga want I can reply in his thread on the integrity. But it makes no difference now I believe.
Integrity? You want me to reply to my integrity? Just like I have asked you to tell me how I have not been honest, so here too I am asking you to elaborate.
Want to reply on that thread? No problem. Just tell me which thread you want me to reply to.
Signing off, ellese a. ???
So is this Ellese or Ellese A?
Anyway let’s take you point by point and I hope if you choose to respond follow the same format otherwise I think we may end up with a thousand comments here.
“blinded by partisanship ” How many times do we have to go through this? I have already offered my justifications and have asked those who want to speak up for UMNO/BN in its present state of absolute decay. Would you Ellese or ellese a want to speak up for UMNO/BN?
“disconnected with the issue”
Are you implying that we should concentrate only on ways to complete the project only and and only on the people affected directly and nothing else and continue with your microscopic vision? That we do not need to take into consideration what will happen with the rest of the nation? Do answer this specifically and we can debate further on this point. No need to take into considerations “side effects”?
“and welfare of the people”
So you are focussing only on the people affected by this UMNO/BN caused problem and no one else, right? We do not need to take into consideration
“You could not offer any solution at all..” You exasperate me. OK I go copy-paste below and I really want to shout at you for being a monotonous repeaters of issues already covered:
“The possibility that the problems faced by the abandoned houseowner being prolonged is a possibility, but I never said that they will have to suffer till next election. There is a distinct difference between. I did say that we can keep trying except not in the way Dr Rafick proposed because adverse implications. I also did proposed that Dr Rafick should consider adding more conditions such as the party would also have to clean up, among others our discredited judiciary on which we have to depend on justice. Dr. Rafick say the committee will not approve.
I further also proposed that perhaps a statement that may go along something like “the highest bid may not necessarily be the winning bid” as in many tenders, the selection also depend on reputation, competence as well as assessment of project completion.”
By offering suggestions am I not trying to contribute to an improved solution?
“…dishonesty..”
Have I not already asked you to state specifically how was I dishonest? If you do not do this in your next response please shut up.
“..insincerity..” this is a matter of opinion but I can assure you I am sincere in wanting Malaysia to become a better place for all Malaysians
“tin kosong”
You Ellese is a bloody parrot at repeating this despite on it being addressed in an earlier comment. You tempt me to spew the kind of expletives this Namewee is famous for
“no value added arguments” Bloody parrot isn’t my suggestion “value added” although this can be subjective?
” rehash irrelevant and repeated arguments”
You bloody parrot you are the one who keep on repeating and relevancy is a matter of opinion.
“theory of asking political parties to compete for our benefit but found difficulty in acceptance…”
Any reasonable person will accept that but not when one have the impression that one of the party have ulterior motives like “OK I give this one to you but I will then continue to hold power and thus continue to plunder and abuse”
“Not on minute issue. ” Tell me which of this is more of a minute issue, the welfare of 2000 household or the welfare of the rest of the 27,014,337 Malaysians?
“no courtesy and respect ”
So you Ellese had been very courteous and respectful here?
““theory of asking political parties to compete for our benefit but found difficulty in acceptance…”
Any reasonable person will accept that but not when it might impact on other areas and if one have the impression that one of the party have ulterior motives like “OK I give this one to you but I will then continue to hold power and thus continue to plunder and abuse”
And talking about integrity perhaps it is not too far off if I say that the integrity of Ellese or Ellese A is suspect for supporting a scheme which smell of vote selling.
To each his own.
Warga Malaysia quote: “Here the English is good and the reasoning at least show intelligence, not those nonsense sprouted in some of Ellese rubbish. Based on the difference I would say that there are more than 1 Ellese here.”
Yalah, I have the same feeling too. As the Aneh said it “Looks like me, sound like me but it is not me”.
It is so different here, like a breath of fresh air.
But…. not the continuation of below posts.
Ellese,
Agree. Partisan ” RULES ” the argument.No longer productive and RESPONSIVE to the issue discussed.
Their head is ” filled up ” with Putrajaya, they walk, eat, sleep and dream and breath in with it. That is ONLY their ULTIMATE vision and they are willing to sacrifies ” anything and everything ” in order to make their dream come true.
They had LOST their HUMAN sense, and the ONLY thing that is sensible and magic solution for anything is the ” SENSE OF PUTRAJAYA STEEL ”
They are mesmerised with PUTRAJAYA!!!!!!!
Dear Ellese,
I agree with you…., when we are ommenting on a limited field of concern.
Anyway..” Selamat Hari Raya & Maaf Zahir & Batin ”
Just nice to engage you, please have a nice weekend…., will meet after it.
Telajak tulis or cakap or whatever…I pohon maaf…, so to the rest of our commentators.
Regards.
PS . I have a problem with my keyboard…and “C”
Selamat hariraya my dear friend Balasi, maaf zahir batin.
Like what you said doc,
“SIAPA BANTU KITA, ITU KITA UNDI”
Enough said…
Botol! Korek! Korek! Korek!
Aneh sokong! Mari kita sama sama tengok video ini sekali lagi.
To see what we are up against, what someone from UK said:”It is so sad to see what has happened to your country.”
“He then went on to say, 30 years ago compared to our neighbours like South Korea, Taiwan, Vietnam, Thailand, Singapore, Indonesia, Philippines etc, our country showed so much vigour and promise. It was a shining star and now our country is almost a failed state! So I asked him what he thinks is the reason. He replied UMNO, UMNO and UMNO. So fellow Malaysians, wake up. Get rid of UMNO and PBB very quickly.”
Source: Confirmed UMNO Police Force
Dear warga, tamak etc etc etc
Rather than repeating your argument which has been dealt with, why don’t you answer the allegation you’re a dishonest and insincere tin kosong in the thread below. Provide lah solution. Why not you give some of your money to alleviate these peoples debt repayment? Or organise a drive to help them lah? Don’t cakap banyak you sympathize with them but provide no solution.
Warga Malaysia,
I am confused how your comment or a comment from some unknown person from the UK is relevant to what is proposed by Dr?
Clearly the person from UK don’t know where is Malaysia since he thinks South Korea. Taiwan and Vietnam are neigbours to Malaysia.
May I suggest that we all stick to the point of discussion instead of going off tangent?
ServiceB4Self,
There is nothing confusing and it is relevant to the point of discussion. Malaysia had been cursed by the misrule of UMNO/BN and that little piece of news is a reinforcement of that argument. If I list down here all the bad things that had happened under UMNO/BN it is going to be very long but if you challenge me to do it I may try. That man you ascribed as ignorant about Malaysia had been associated with Malaysia for 30 years which you either did not bother to read in the original article nor ignored the fact.
OK let us go back to this “tender” business. I want to point out that in a tender, very often there is a provision that the party awarded the tender need not be the highest bidder as they may take into consideration the reputation of the bidder as well as their ability to complete the job. In this case, unfortunately the party solely based on financial strength as well as machineries plus “staff” is the party that had so extremely badly managed (the UMNO UMNO UMNO expression.
I hope you get my point. I am very afraid Dr Rafick will start a trend of other groups with long festering problems starting similar “tenders” and eventually we may end up with the same government that had really messed up our country crucial institutions (judicairy, police, anti-corruption agency, election commission …..) Is not the goal of righting all those important to you too?
I hope Dr Rafick who looks hell bend on going ahead will at least attach some condition similar to “winner may not be the highest bidder” to make his effort more pallatable.
I apologize to those suffering households but faced with the prospect of Malaysia continuing to be in this cesspool I have no choice but to voice my objections.
Warga,tamak etc etc
why are you chickening out from denying you are dishonest and insincere tin kosong. Tak malu ke?
Why don’t you suggest that rather than adopting the RESPONSIVE political model proposed by dr rafick, you put your money down to help these people and organise with the banks to suspend interest payment. Then at least it’s sincere rather than a tin kosong or an empty vessel.
Ellese you just provoke people to give opinions of you. From all your arguments you have demonstrated you are just not capable of grasping other people’s point of view. From the way you write I will put you as not highly educated or graduated from a half past six university. Full stop.
Dishonest? Do tell me how was I dishonest.
Tin kosong? Meaning I have no solution? If you say I do not have a solution that can guarantee success in getting the project completed or may take longer than the very drastic method proposed by Dr Rafick, I will agree with you, not otherwise. You are just not capable of grasping that the solution proposed by Dr Rafick may have very dire consequences for the nation.
I would just love to see you take up Balasi challenge to have a debate. I suspect if you dare, you probably run the risk of ending up like that Abdul Razakl Musa “strangle oneself” debacle
I didn’t see your reply after my posting above. If you do wish I can engage.
Just a note. I’ve engaged balasi many times. Not worried engaging him.
Dear Ellese,
Just read your reply …., let’s engage.
Will talk to Doc on rules of us engaging.,
in a common topic.
on common grounds.
ServiceB4Self,
Here is the quotation of the man you accuse of not knowing where Malaysia is:
Recently I met a man from the UK. He is 60 years old and has been doing business in this country for 30 years. He said, “It is so sad to see what has happened to your country.” So I asked him what he meant. He told me, 30 years ago our top civil servants were very good; now they are rubbish. He then went on to say, 30 years ago compared to our neighbours like South Korea, Taiwan, Vietnam, Thailand, Singapore, Indonesia, Philippines etc, our country showed so much vigour and promise. It was a shining star and now our country is almost a failed state! So I asked him what he thinks is the reason. He replied UMNO, UMNO and UMNO. So fellow Malaysians, wake up. Get rid of UMNO and PBB very quickly.
And your moniker Service before Self means we should not be selfish and just think of ourselves and our problems and forget the future of the nation which if it finally become a failed state every Malaysians will suffer, not just the 2000 households.
I am curious too see how the outcome would be by this “tender”. Really curious.
I was thinking, if there is no taker then what? Call Ibrahim Ali because he would running as independent in GE 13th, he need votes badly. PR do not want him, UMNO can’t take him or else “the band of brothers” would be expose on UMNO.
It is ASSUME that there would be competitions. Just imagine if there is none and Ibrahim Ali step forward to be the white knight of amour.
As agreed all votes goes to him. You know, it is going to be hilarious! I never thought of that until today, funny isn’t it?
wow… real funny lah…
Er…
Dear Doc,
Reject or accept? Your call.
hmm… tough lah… I also cannot decide.
Wave33
We have some short, medium and long term strategies. Not appropriate for me to disclosed here
Doc,
Just like what Warga voice out…., this is also a form of Corruption…., just because PM had done it in KKB and Sibu…., don’t give you a right to try.
The AG…, you know who…, will have other idea’s.
Why not wait awhile before your short, medium and long term strategy is invoked.
Balasi
It is a corruption if I decide to offer to either BN or PR but in this case very transparent. Both are given the same specs and opportunities to react. In sibu PM says you vote me, I give you XXXX. Here is the reverse.. we say to BN and PR- which ever that do this , we gave you 4000 votes.
Doc,
I agree, but why stoop so low….. to pit two clans on a localize problem in your area and tie it with the General Election, this is just ridiculous
Doc, we are not heading anywhere.
We have much more bigger agenda to discuss…., not pitting a corrupt clan known for it with a clan that might be corrupt but new.
How is this a corruption. If that is the case we cannot have any competition at all. Every competition has incentive. So let’s say I want a football team to represent me. So I call these two teams to compete and whoever wins will get a prize and represent me. According to balasi’s logic it’s bribelah. Then no one can compete.
Similar in work, I have a work assignment and ask two employees to do and if whoever succeed will get extra bonus. So to balasi it’s corruption.
Your logic is incredibly illogical. You have this mindset if bn is involved it’s corruption. But pr no. So if pr help someone and in return that person gives it’s votes it suddenly becomes no corruption. If bn does it it’s corruption.
Let’s have a clear and consistent definition of corruption. Dr wants it resolve and whoever resolves it gets his votes. By any stretch it cannot be corruption. For arguing otherwise, we have to ban a lot of competitive sports.
So again get out of this partisan mindset. Issues cannot be resolve depending whether you’re pakatan or bn. Right or wrong cannot be determined whether you’re bn or pr. It’s the action that determines between right or wrong. Don’t get your moral judgement wrong. A end can never justify the means. Comprende?
“A end can never justify the means.”
Just wonder if this Ellese fellow understand what the above means
Ha ha ha let me explain that to you:
Ellese is saying the objective (end) of getting the project finised cannot justify the method (mean) that Dr Rafick proposed
Good to see you joinning the opposite camp Ellese or Ellese A whoever you are
Ellese? Comprende?
Dear Warga
Again another dishonest and insincere illogical argument by you.
Just because you want pakatan to win next election you cannot condone lies, deceit and incompetence by pakatan reps now. End does not justify the means.
Where’s your moral to support these lies and deceit? Oh but I forgot you don’t mind being dishonest and insincere tin kosong in the first place.
Ellese,
Fifty Three @#$%^&* years is enough., I don’t want to hear them nor smell them..,
Maintaining the equity of Bumi is still not 30% is a farce.
What happen to all the PINK FORM’s from all Public Share Issues given to the Malay’s like you…., you used it as your toilet paper….?
Can write and write but don’t intend to stir…, because they UMNO working in cohorts with MCA, MIC, Gerakan, PPP and the other @#$%^&* have taken all not in line with them immaterial of race religion & creed for aride.
Just hope the guy’s in Sarawak…., will not be idiot’s….., to fall into the trap like how it has become a NORM.
So Ellese…..read below and above want to engage online no problem.
Balasi,
I have been reading everyone’s comments on this matter.
I don’t understand why you consider some voters’ issue as being trivial – ie localized problem and should be disregarded because of a bigger agenda.
The reality is that PR did the very same thing on a state wide basis – they offered a “bribe” of 20m3 of free water to people of Selangor but did not do so for Kelantan, Kedah and Penang. It is a localized benefit as compared to a nation-wide policy. PR has taught the voters to think local so why is it wrong for the voters to act accordingly.
Just accept the reality of our democratic process, the voters will only vote for a particular party if that particular party is able to give benefit to the voters. In this particular case, it can’t be wrong if the voters subscribe to this very principle.
What I have concluded is that many people are so blinkered with partisan politics to the extent that they have become too bigoted in their views. Their party can do no wrong and no matter what good the opponents do, there would always be a spin to the contrary.
ServiceB4self,
I agree with you….., but I’m above politics, I just want a change in political enviroment.
20m3…, is not corruption…., it’s a social handout to the rakyaat of the state to lessen their burden and also to show we have ample water at our disposal.
BN has fleeced us dry…., indoctrine a concept on racial issues….and you expect me to lick you.
Go fly your kites..or flies or panties.
Dear balasi,
service b4 self pointed out again your double standard. How come it’s not you vote me I kasi you air free lah. This is a worse cheapskate for each houseowners it’s Just a few ringgit of benefit.
You again show that right or wrong depends on pakatan or bn. Get out of this useless mindset. Moral compass must be based on truth and not the person or political party.
Ellese,
Have they not fleeced the nation enough…., want to milk a cow also don’t make it go dry and die.
You have drawn your lines…, so have I.
End of the day this country must see daylight…, not from some idiot’s view or your’s…., just light.
Ellese,
You sound more like a COCK ….and it Crows.
Your examples are all wrong…., we are talking about the future of a state…, not some damn bloody..nilai prestasi Kerja here.
You want me to define Corruption…., you better approach MAC.
You sound smart….but…you are a …..,,?
What kind of reply is this? No value. I don’t want to waste my thinking. I’ll use your reply.
“You sound more like a COCK ….and it Crows.
Your cant provide examples why I’m wrong…., we are talking about the interest of rakyat …, not some damn bloody interest of pakatan..
You dont want to define Corruption…., and want me to refer to macc. But you never believe macc even I give you the definition. Provide me with your own definition lah so that we know your stand.
You don’t sound smart….and worse…you are a …..,,?”
Ellese,
My defination of Corruption’s
Dipping their finger in every honey comb.
Fleecing the rakyaat on make believe projects,,,,till the rakyaat looses all.
Showing the whole constituents .., you made it after only one year on the job….more like Deross.
Lupa daratan….,sampai jadi Bangkai bernyawa
MOST OF ALL THEY SELL THEIR COMMUNITIES SOUL …TO OTHERS FOR THEIR OWN SELFISH GAINS.
My middle finger to MCA and MIC..,
and also to you for defining corruption base on my views.
PS. need to work now….., catch you later in the morning.
I miss this before I wrote my postings above. If you so wish, I can.
Ellese you did not, see the time..?
Okay….., write as much as you wish if you can spare some during this festive period…, need to take you for drive too.
” In sibu PM says you vote me, I give you XXXX. Here is the reverse.. we say to BN and PR- which ever that do this , we gave you 4000 votes.”
Orphanage badly needs huge amout of fund to function, no higher limit
Deal: Whichever party donate the most funds will get 1+3999 votes
You see both parties have the same chance to donate as much as they can therefore fair competition and very transparent because we let everybody knows
So it is not like sibu – you give me your votes I give you 5 million
Here it is the other way around – orphange say to BN and PR – whichever give us 5 million we give you our votes
Fair competion both parties have the same opportunity to give 5 million
Warga Negara,
I don’t get you on both comment’s,
Dear warga,
rather than repeating your argument which has been dealt with, why don’t you answer the allegation you’re a dishonest and insincere tin kosong in the thread below. Providelah solution. Why not you give some of your money to alleviate these peoples debt repayment? Or organise a drive to help them lah? Don’t cakap banyak you sympathize with them but provide no solution.
Warga Negara,
I understand the analogy that you are trying to make, however it may not be applicable in relation to political parties. Political parties are not philanthropists or welfare foundations that donate funds.
The proper analogy would be requesting something that the organisation is able or is within the power of such organisation to do at the political level in exchange for a benefit that the offeror is able to grant should such organisation completes their end of the bargain.
I will handle the latter portion of your analogy, an orphanage’s occupants are children below the age of 21, thus are not voters. I doubt the orphanage is able to keep its end of the bargain when there are no voters staying in the orphanage.
Your proposed tender is like a street beggar putting out a tender for the construction of a multi million ringgit house to legal firms. The first problem is that you can’t pay and the second is that it is not within legal firms’ role to deliver.
I giving you the benefit of the doubt that your intention of coming up with the analogy was to give a level playing field to both tenderers.
I believe the proposal from Dr is granting a level playing field to both PR and BN. PR is in control of the land matters within the state of Selangor and has various leverage on Talam within the State of Selangor. BN on the other hand, has control over the Ministry of Housing.
I fully support what is proposed by Dr and would definite like to see our MPs and ADUNs perform for our benefit throughout the term instead of just showing their faces during the period after nomination until polling day only.
Why is it if doc does not tender and pr helped them and these people give their votes to pr it’s ok?
You write to mock without even trying to understand this complicated issue. Doc has a solution thru this REsponsive political model. Let him be lah. Give credence and creditlah. You’re not providing any solution anyway.
Now assuming doc open it’s tender and pr did it’s best to solve it and did win, you will demand these people to honour their pledges by voting pr. Now if any other person it’s not okay.
How come you solve problem by personalities? Doesn’t make sense.
U all sound like hand out babies.
Dr. Amrit,
Where the heck you came out with this suggestion…?
Dear Readers
We want to up a big advertisement in the local papers about this tender but it will cost us a lot money. While some purchasers can support us partially, I wonder whether well wishers out will do the same.
Anyone with contacts with NST or STAR and BH that can give us free space or much much reduced advertising rates. We are looking at nominal cost. I hope the papers can see this from the angle of CSR.
Dear Doc,
You have not played all your card’s…., you assume so…, but I feel you are just making it big and you are going to fall into wrong hands.
My opinion…., rest….and get on with Raya… and will all be sober from the holidays to ponder it.
Balasi
Since you say I have not played all the cards than can you tell what I have not done! Don’t make assumption,please.
Doc,
It’s not assumptions….., a decade old problem and less in some area’s cannot be solved in the time frame you set…, there are alot of thing’s to address.
Exam :
My brother who has migrated to UK wanted to sell his apartment in Wangsamaju..
The loan is settle and he has his apartment deeds released from DB, DBKL….., he want’s to sell it and now he is told to go to the finance ministry and then to get it stamped by the courts…..
He was here in KL,….you met him….., till now it’s floating….., just imagine a apartment selling at less then RM 100, 000.00.
Sabar DOC.
Balasi
You did not answer my question. Please tell me what I have not done for my 2000 families…
Doc,
You, AK , that I know of have done so much of things…., your time, effort and what not..
But God taught us to be patient…., more over this holy month…, sabar….., things will fall through .., believe me.
Not the time to go on the offensive…., don’t buy other people’s card…., they could just about manipulate you and the rest.
You waited for years…., why not give it till the end of the year…., after Raya, then engage them again…., see if they response…., if not then you can proceeed if at all there is no response.
They, SSG are also reading your Blog…., so sabarlah….,
You, AK and the rest have done a good job in PHUKB…., why destroy it.., I mean make it irrelevant.
Balasi
aiyo brother .. paiya! you still have not answered my question.
For record, I worked with developer in trying to solve the problem for 1 year.. it failed. Then I work for 2 years with SSG .. it failed. I have not given up hope yet that is why I offered an equal opportunity tender!
Aiyo Doc,
You pun tak paham saya…., you said you work one year with the Developer, that was during BN time mah.
At that time how old was your problem..?
Then you work two years with new PR SSG..for a solution…., Padah…, failure.
Bro….., these guy’s new it the blok…, not like the fourth Floor guys in Putrajaya….., so Sabar lah.
Jangan putus asa….., cuba lagi..,niat baik dan usaha kamu semua akan dibalasi.
Just don’t sound the WAR DRUMS yet.
Sikit sikit nak mengadu dekat BINI…., tak bolh Doc.
Want to offer them Equal Opportunity…., not now…don’t bring the Feds to State politics you will mess it up…., wait till PPU 13.
If your problem still not solve….then send them packing…., if not sabar.
Balasi
It is not about me . It is about 2000 families that is dependent on the committee. For record, my members ranges from single parents, retirees and others. There is also one makcik that calls me all the time and is suffering from cancer. She keeps telling me she wants to live in her house before she dies… I cannot control my emotion.
Usually she would call me every months. She hasn’t for the last 2 months. I dont know what happen to her.. if she dies, I cannot live with this failure on my shoulders. You and other righteous people dont understand what we went through and the feeling of shouldering this human issue. It is not building… it is people.
Doc,
My suggestion….we that mean’s you and all the AJK of ” PHUKB ” togather with your 2000 odd families will pay TSKI a visit on his HARI RAYA OPEN DAY.
Prepare a Memo on your plight as if he don’t know your plight and Wish him ” Selamat Hari Raya and Maaf , Zahir & Batin ”
Then tell him politely…his obligations as a Human not a MB,
he will take the cue…on seeing the ill faithed families.
Trust me, ….not the way you intend to do…, we must fight Power with our Humbleness.
Sigh! Sigh! Sigh!
Don’t Cry for Me Argentina
Cry for Argentina
A beautiful country imperiled by decades of abusive government.
MADONNA LYRICS
“Don’t Cry For Me Argentina”
[Eva:]
It won’t be easy, you’ll think it strange
When I try to explain how I feel
That I still need your love after all that I’ve done
You won’t believe me
All you will see is a girl you once knew
Although she’s dressed up to the nines
At sixes and sevens with you
I had to let it happen, I had to change
Couldn’t stay all my life down at heel
Looking out of the window, staying out of the sun
So I chose freedom
Running around, trying everything new
But nothing impressed me at all
I never expected it to
[Chorus:]
Don’t cry for me Argentina
The truth is I never left you
All through my wild days
My mad existence
I kept my promise
Don’t keep your distance
And as for fortune, and as for fame
I never invited them in
Though it seemed to the world they were all I desired
They are illusions
They are not the solutions they promised to be
The answer was here all the time
I love you and hope you love me
Don’t cry for me Argentina
[chorus]
Have I said too much?
There’s nothing more I can think of to say to you.
But all you have to do is look at me to know
That every word is true
Warga DIB tin kosong,
why don’t you go to argentina on an empty vessel since it suits you. I don’t understand how a person who can talk only and been caught flatfooted/ kantoi so many times have so thick skin to still argue. Utter rubbish.
Dear Ken, ure obviously new to the discussion herein.all your points have been debated and answered.
In essence how can you solve problem by seeing whether it benefits bn or pakatan? Why can’t we make political parties compete for our benefit to resolve our problems?
Please don’t be caugt pants down like warga DIB tin kosong. He condemn, mock, criticise these abandoned houseowners but could not offer any solution.oops In fact he did. He said change the government and problems be solved. In the meantime let the houseowners sufferlah sikit with loan repayment. What utter rubbish argument.
Anyway what are you so scared of? Why are you having such low esteem in pakatan to solve these problems. Pakatan already govern the MOST richest state in Malaysia. Any way the problem started because pakatan lied and deceive them.
So read the previous postings. I apologise if I sound angry but after reasing warga’s latest tin kosong comment I can’t help it. Hope you don’t follow his dishonest footsteps.
This posting should be under ken’s thread.
Ellese you act like you know everthing, syabas.
Go wash your hair.
Spot on Balasi.
Not only wash her hair, go have a shave. It may help.
Dear balasi and cynic,
Is this the way to reply when you do not have any point to argue. I can play the same game as you.
I’ve taken on warga at least three times and most of the time he avoided by questions. In my last diatribe he actually admitted he is an empty vessel. He also cannot dispute he’s dishonest And insincere in arguing. Just read previous posting. Once he denied that he said his solution was to change government but now admit pula. And he had the gall to call me feeble minded.
Now balasi I’ve engaged you before. Once you could not argue and resorted this sort of argument. The second want you avoided me when I ask you to provide clear logical argument. You like to take cheap pot shots like this. If you want let’s debate properly lah. No cheap general unsubstantiated comments. Anyone can do that.
Ellese,
You want a debate..on all issues.., I ‘ll meet you face to face…, you must understand…, your working hours and mine are not the same….don’t talk COCKl.
When I’m on you are in Bed…., when you are on I’m a sleep.
I will meet you where you want to meet me ….., come with the issues you intend to discuss and give me two days notice.
Ellese, I just…just don’t write to appease your GRANDMA…..so who are you for me to appease.
Bro….waiting for your reply.
Ok let’s start again. You commented my posting to Ken.
In there I ask a few things. Let’s do it courteously.Iask the following. And I try to quote verbatim:
“In essence how can you solve problem by seeing whether it benefits bn or pakatan? Why can’t we make political parties compete for our benefit to resolve our problems?”
q2: how can one “…condemn, mock, criticise these abandoned houseowners but could not offer any solution….other than….change the government…. In the meantime [are we to] let the houseowners suffer …with loan repayment?
Q3: “what are you so scared of [letting pakatan to compete]? Why are you having such low esteem in pakatan to solve these problems? Pakatan already govern the MOST richest state in Malaysia. Any way the problem started because pakatan lied and deceive them.” So were they wrong to open this to whoever can help them?
Ellese,
Just read your reply,
Will cut the whole topic short.
Just wish AK, Raya wishes…., made it known to him that a Abandon project ten folds to UKB could be solved by the MB…I mean Bukit Botak….in Selayang.
So let’s not talk about PR/ BN and pitting them…PR have a formula to solve all this…, just give them time..,
Don’t give we your suggestion on trying to pit them, the guys in BN should have realise these Three decades ago.
Open we can…., after nomination for PPU 13…., not now…, if you at all understand politics.
Dear Dr. Raffick,
Dear Ken – Please see below
I understand where you are coming from, the frustration and emotional distress in the abandoned housing saga but in your effort to solve this problem by whatever means you are ignoring the big picture.
Dr R-Thank you
The big picture is that the victims are willing to give their vote to a corrupt, abusive and racist govt which created the problem in the first place which one-sided laws favouring developers. What happens after that? Is having their house delivered all they want in life? What about their economic, educational and cultural future which is tied to the future govt of the country?
Dr R- This is where you are off track like a few other readers. I want the existing political parties in Selangor to show us who is better. Both are being offered a tender at the same time and same specification. There is no difference in ability between the two. The request is merely in the form of assistance and small amount of money.Honestly PR Selangor can easily do it if they want too
The big picture is that the relevant laws need to be changed to minimize future abandoned projects by shady developers but it’s not going to happen under BN.
Dr R- You are right. As the chairman of a national association, my stand has always been that existing ACT 118 is biased and because the government created a biased ACT but we are already abandon. Any change of laws cannot be retrospective. It can only move forward. For those active in this circile, they willl advice you that the ACT is being reviewed. I have seen the first draft. There are many good areas for purchasers but there are shortcomings. My firm believe the law cannot be neutral between developer and purchaser. It cannot act equally between the two. It has to be EQUITABLE. Since individual purchasers are small, has limited financial capacity and handicapped in many ways including legal, the law must be done in such a way that protect the small man in the street. This is the short coming of the new ACT(in draft stage)
This may be of little concern now to the victims who just want to resolve their housing woes. I really cannot blame them. I am not here to judge them. Under the same circumstances I may even do the same.
But as their leader and organizer Dr. Raffick, you should pause and think if you are doing the right thing.
Dr R- This is a committee decision and has been discussed. I firmly believe it is a right thing. It is also fair
Have you done all you can to resolve the problem before resorting to this “nuclear bomb?”
Yes and if you want the details you have to buy me coffee and donoughts.. It will take about 3 hours to explain al that has been done
Are you being fair to tender the problem out to PR and BN when they may not be on the same footing to solve this problem? One has unlimited resources and federal power, the other has almost no power and pitiful resources.
Dr R- I disgree. From financial view we are asking for RM 12 mill fully reimbursed loan which both side is capable to give. On power, actually Tan Sri Khalid has Chan Ah Chye balls in his hand as he is now controlling Talam landbank and debt.
My advice, Dr, Raffick, let them vote according to their conscience instead of organizing a block vote. Why try to influence others to vote in sympathy? The future of the country is more important than delivering completed houses to victims of an unscrupulous housing developer.
We are talking about a local issue that will affect 4 local seats i.e. Two parliamentary and Two State seats.
You may succeed in solving this local problem but you may create a few hundred future problems of the same nature by helping to propagate an abusive govt. The real solution is a better, more people friendly govt. Think about it!
Dr R- Are you sure PR will be people friendly government in the future? Are you confident enough? Put it this way, Azmin Ali despite knowing our issue has not even reacted to this matter. He is busy with his plan to oust Khalid and Zaid Ibrahim. If you follow the papers today, you can see what Azmin did is exactly what UMNO leaders did in the past
Dr,
To make the tender really public, i would like to suggest that we publish it in the newspapers. Maybe Harakah, Suara Keadilan, Rocket and lastly Utusan.
Sad as it sounds ie selling our votes, I WOULD LIKE TO PUT IT TO ANYONE IN THIS BLOG TO TAKE OVER THE FINANCIAL RESPONSIBILITY OF THE 2000 house buyers that have not got their houses. Until then, keep the feedback constructive and related.
p/s i live for today, not to cry about yesterday, but only hope for tomorrow.
Actually you read my mind.. I was thinking about it as well..Maybe we take a half page add in utusan and NST.. Wonder how much it cost and what would the impact be…
3 x 8 column in star/nst is about RM1650. i reckon half a page would cost us RM15k minimum.
The political party papers should be cheaper. let’s try it there 1st!
doubleD,
Don’t waste money in this era of hardship…, save it or channel it to a old folks home.., if not a orphanage.
This issue can be address in many other way’s not holding the SSG for ransom…., and shafting down their throat’s.
Sense should prevail….., you guy’s are churning so much of things that don’t make sense….., a decade or so problem…., and you expect a new SG to play to your tune…., you mean you are holding them by their BALLS.
PODAH….., They have so many other problems to solve that they inherited from the BASTARDS….., your’s is just chicken feed.
Cool mind should prevail…., a PMC appointted failed, …most know fro AK….., so please give more time to formulate another solution….
Ads…will carry it no where….., believe me.
Balasi
I dont know why you say we are holding SSG for ransom…. On what basis! We are giving equal opportunity basis to two government of the day which can afford to do what we want them to do. They just need to grab the offer to show that they can and we will reward them accordingly
Doc,
Want to give them equal opportunity…., to solve the problem….., can but wait for PPU 13.
Don’t rock the boat now……, as much as I respect you.. there are things that you should hold fort. ….like ” My Header will stay Black till Democracy is restored in Perak ”
Now….., you are bend hell on doing the reverse…., Okay, no point arguing.
Go get your banners and ads and place it all over…., let me see what you gain in the short term and what you loose in the long term.
The very people who you fought for will not even remember your name after the second year…, mark my word’s.
Ellese want to jump in, please do.
Why wait when both are capable and ready to do something. My banner is very clear. It is about Perak. That has not change. Even if the tender is taken up by BN, the banner stays until a state election in perak is held.
We must separate a local issue and a state/federal issue..
Doc,
I mean…., why rock a SG which is in it’s INFANT stage…, don’t compare a 53 with a two year old kid….
I, mean give them some breathing space …they have yet to settle .
Just like your place, mine in Bukit Botak is worst…., you should know…., they had adialogue with TSKI…., and I believe it’s about solve…., but verbally.
When these people will move into their homes…., we have to ask PKNS… or not God.
Does it make you feel superior that you can have two guys vying for your support…., one from a corrupt clan who will sell their rear to takeback Selangor..or another clan…trying to seek and right the wrong doings..of the past.
Your Call..!
Dear Balasi,
I would agree with Dr. in terms of NOT “holding anyone to ransom”. It is an equal “tender” which is open to all even IA if he so wishes to join the party. Nobody is rocking anybody in this case. Just an equal chance to see who has the political will to say “YES” and put that into action.
We have personally seen the power of advertisement. I quote Tropicana exit in bandar utama. The RA there took out a full page add and it sure got things moving or the other way around but at the end of the day, they made their point clear after fruitless discussions with the local authority and they got what they wanted.
Charity begins at home so i think the less fortunate orphanage would understand this situation. If you cant help yourself, what condition are you in to help others? After all we are human.
doubleD,
As much as I understand you.., and what you implied…., you sound so shallow…, God Bless you for what you are,,?
Political Will…? Do you first know what it actually means…?
Do you have prinipals..?
Will you blame your Secondary School teachers for the blunder your Primary school teachers did.?
Sharing is a norm for people like me ……, we hardly had lunch, it was just breakfast and Dinner.
We were no orphan’s….and don’t teach me about charity begins at home.
RICH GUY GO AHEAD WITH YOUR BANNERS AND AD’S
You will only gain scorn.
Dear balasi,
for once give a constructive solutionlah.
I know what you can do to avoid this. Why don’t you contribute your money to them so that they can alleviate the loan repayment. Then organise a huge funding exercise. At least you walk the talk.
If you can’t give solution then don’t condemn those who are providing one. At least they’re trying. You can’t even contribute satu sen tapi mahu cakap banyak.
Ellese,
If we had more guy’s like you in UMNO/BN…., we will not face any problems like abandon housing projects.
What we have….will be ..?
Selling our nation to others like what Rais did in Batu Belah.
Dear WArga,
you like to run away from answering questions. Even when I besmirched your approach as dishonest insincere and a tin kosong you are not able to respond. See our thread below.
I accuse you of dishonesty and insincerity in your argument because many times you claimed you sympathize with the plight of these houseowners but yet condemn and made sarcastic remarks on them in general and doc in particular.
If you are sincere propose a solution and your answer was to change government. When I ask how does this resolve the issue you went quiet again. I demanded a solution again and you kept quiet. And then deny you claim solving this issue is by changing government while all your posting point to it. You also said you have given an implicit solution before but when asked you cannot refer me to which posting.
I give you one more opportunity. Don’t sidetrack. What is the solution you can tell these people? Which previous posting that you have provided a solution as claimed?
Don’t have to answer any of my accusation yet but just give answer to my questions. Simple kan? Answer this first before giving other commentaries. Were interested to hear your wisdom.
Bringing reforms to Malaysia is already difficult enough but with people like Ellese and Ellese A who can’t seem to be able to fathom what others are saying, it will be doubly difficult .
Solution? What solution do I have? All I can say is Dr Rafick vote tender model may even be a successful solution especially when UMNO/BN is clearly desperate to cling to power plus have the money and other necessities needed solve such problems.
But let me ask you Ellese or Ellese A, what are the consequences? They will be showing to the rest of the country that vote trading is OK, yes we can sell our votes to the highest bidder. If Dr Rafick succeed, we will have people like Ellese or Ellese A all starting their own “tender our votes” to solve their specific problems and give no thoughts to other numerous problems that the country faces
Solution? What can I offer other than to try to find out more about the problems of this abandoned housing project and to contact some people connected with the Selangor govt or Pakatan. Even join pressure group which don’t use such tactic if someone is kind enough to start them. This I have mentioned before but Ellese or Ellese A somehow cannot see them. Effective solution? I don’t know but unfortunately don’t have other alternatives.
Solution is to change federal government? I am saying that we fervently hope changing the federal government will create an environment hopefully will be more friendly to solving problems like this and prevent similar problems cropping up in the future. If you say that is no solution, all I can say is it is the overall solution to our country ills
Huh,
when you face these houseowners you’re going to tell them you have two solutions: one you’re studying it and the other change the government.
What utter rubbish. And you have the audacity to call me feeble mind.
At least saylah you’re going to give some money to these people to pay off their interest or arrange some financing for them.
Tapi tak da. Not even willing to contribute tapi cakap banyak.
Worse you have the audacity to scorn, mock, condemn and criticise those who are actually proposing a solution ie A RESPONSIVE political model. You sinisterly calling it dr raficks vote buying model. You are really pits man. No morals. No integrity.
You not only fail to counter you are dishonest, sincere and having bad faith, but you’re also a tin kosong. Nothing inside and upstairs. Now who is feeble minded.
You’re truly a warga DIB tin kosong.
Ellese,
It will not take long for a guy like me to brand you.
A solution must have eyes on all sides, like a square.
We should be able to address it from all angels.., if not it’s just a suggestion on paper.
Acting smart could be your norm…., but not us.., want to engage…, come up with a solution …, your own solution….., if not stop bragging.
Ellese,
My request….., restrain from using powerful english in your comments…., you must understand that most visitors to Doc’s blog were educated not on 121 but 122 or Communication English.
Okay…., don’t tease other’s , what’s your solution..?
Please don’t say that what Doc propose is your solution…, what is your solution as a UMNO PUTRA..?
IF you don’t have any….then you are just about what you call others.
And Ellese or Ellese A
Perhaps to help you understand how desperate UMNO/BN is to hang on to power, think hard what can induce a Prime Minister and a scion of a former Prime Minister to resort to “You help me I help you” in public
and the current attempts to stir racial and religious unrest by highly educated people who should know in spite of the danger all this may spiral into a dangerous racial and/or religious conflagration
I just hope you don’t get caught in racial or religious conflicts
Warga,
Desperate leaders will sell even their souls, but these leaders in UMNO don’t even have them…., they are all devil’s.
Just like MCA, MIC , Gerakan and PPP shold theirs in Peninsular and PBS sold it in Sabah…., Sarawak no comments….have to wait for next year.
Do me a favour…? I pose this question in another FORUM in R2W but noone answered.
Define…..
” Demi Bangsa , Agama dan Negara ”
Let me see if you get it right like me……, or people who think like me.
Refer to my previous posting. How is this a solution to the abandoned houseowners? Why are you not answering my question?
Ah doctor, latest breakthrough – Dr Chua Soil Leg had offered his help! But be careful because there is also another piece of “news” – Chua: Not all news is true
Wonder if you would can this comment for being not relevant, but it is because Dr Chua Soil Leg offered a way out or your “little” or huge problems
Warga,
How can a tainted Politician like him helm MCA…., it speaks volumes……of what MCA stands for its own community.
Just like the murders…? and the corrupted Indian leaders who fleeced the estate workers savings via Maika.
God is blind at times….., or is he waiting for a opportune time….?
How foes this mocking solve the abandoned houseowners issue? Are you proposing to pay for their interest and loan payment?
When they venture into it during the UMNO/BN times they had already dug their graves…., so we can only help as much…, not in cash but help bury them if you insist.
STUPID FOR YOU TO PROPOSE SUCH A QUESTIOJN.
And doctor you had kindly offered a nice dinner at Aliran’s (forgot what). I now have a place for Haris Ibrahim’s Saya Anak Bangsa Malaysia fund raising dinner where Zaid Ibrahim will talk about “Is a Third Force necessary?” or something to that effect. I would like to offer you that place. Just let me know and I will make the arrangement.
Warga,
Can I have two seats or more…?
Or is it something you don’t want to say openly? But you are a doctor and people look up to you and are influenced by your writings. Maybe even ignoramus like me take you too literally?
Warga,
On this you are wrong, Doc is fair minded…, he rights the truth…., he doesn’t favour anyone…., he like AK have put in a lot of painstaking hours to pull this through for UK Bistari.
But some Politicians…., have swayed…., so the fury.
Otherwise…..non issue.
Sometimes I also feel like doing the same….but then it cannot be like a “Hell is no fury like a woman scorned.”
great dr raffick – your idea is just great, i should follow suit. Theres a couple of longkangs in my neighbourhood that isnt cleaned regularly.. i am going to go get my neighbours to form a voting block and force the state govt to do it or else lose our votes. ( i know my problem might not be as serious as your abandoned housing problem , but it’s important to me ).
sure why not… but you should change the model a bit and be the same as mine which is offer the tender to both parties. This would be fair. In your approach it is a threat. In my model it is equal opportunity offer.
Whichever do first will win. Of course, you should do it if you think the longkang is so important. In our case, the losses from financial strain of abandon housing for 2000 purchasers is estimated to be RM 104 mill over the last 4 years and every month the numbers is rising at the rate of 2.16 mill/month.
I have not factored in emotional loss, 3 divorces, lawsuits between bank and purchasers etc
I dont know how much is the longkang is costing you.
To date the developer owe us our homes and RM30 mill LAD. Many has given up on getting the LAD.. they just want their house.
Doctor you think you and your group are the only one suffering? Is the suffering of a sister whose brother was probably murdered according to Dr Pornthip any less suffering than yours and your group? (Teoh Lee Lan’s National Day Message.MTS)
Yours involved money. Hers involved the life of a loved one? Put them on a scale and tell us which side the scale tip.
I can go on and on but perhaps we should also ask Malaysian why even Haris Ibrahim had tipped over from a non-partisan view to a partisan one including starting a “Bury BN” (sorry forgot malay for bury and can’t find the post) initiative. Perhaps you should ask him why.
As I have said earlier tell us how we Malaysians can help other than joining your “tender” how we can help and I am sure many will oblige
And Malaysians keep the tidaapa attitude and you can be assured there will be more sufferings coming and not only for Doctor and his group
Fill in the blank:
First they came for ….. and I did nothing because I am not a ….
Then they came for ….. and I also did nothing because I am not a …….
Finally they came for me and there is no one else to do anything….
OK found it – DNBN Kuburkan BN : Pakatan Rakyat & Barisan Rakyat must join forces and do go over and read it.
Or perhaps Doctor would prefer not to as it would make it difficult to maintain his sturborn views although he did accidentally blurted out “We will vote for any party that help us” ….
You should take what I say positively ie the SSG would be challenge to take up this minuscule task. It seems that you feel SSG cannot perform and cannot take up the challenge
Doctor, how about this:
“i am going to go get my neighbours to form a voting block and force the state govt to do it or else lose our votes”
Now model changed to “i am going to go get my neighbours to form a voting block and hawk our votes to the highest bidder – the party that can keep our drains smelling like sweet roses”
Is that OK. Ok mah fair competition isn’t it? Both got the chance mah
Warga Malaysia,
Cool down a bit…, It should not be address as such.
You got your point….., Doc was taken for a ride and now he feels he needs to blow the politicians to hell.
That’s about all….., I feel.
So let cool heads prevail.
Doc,
Since you said the purchasers will guarantee payment to the SSC, why not take over the project from the Developer….., including the liabilities….and the money withhold by the banks.
It will be a win win situation for PHUKB.
I feel AK can run the show…., I can also recommend some good PMC to work under him.
It’s more like a management buy out…., it works the same way.., ( If you need to speak with someone on the knowhow …, I’ll arrange. )
But not to the extend of selling ourself like PM did in KKB and Kuching.
Balasi,
It is not as easy as what you have suggested as everyone has to work within existing law.
Only the minister of KPKT can compel the developer to surrender the project for a third party to take over to complete the project . In other circumstnces the developer must agree.
However, we feel SSG can do the trick by gently persuading the developer but alas MB is not keen.
Abang AK,
Then all you need is to meet MB, can try to arrange a meeting with someone you meet during a dinner…., to facilitate…., hope for the best.
Also can bring this issue to a bigger forum without resorting to what Doc intend’s to do.
Balasi,
Please do!
Not as if we have not tried directly and through intermediaries. We have told SSG that a small investment in succesfully solving our UKayBistari project can be a showcase for PR and the best advertisement on SSG agenda in successfully rehabilitating abandon housing projects in Selangor . But alas the Selangor leaders rather ignore our SOS. And it has become a laughing matter by UMNO Selangor. Don’t the Selangor leaders care that RSS Consultancy ( own by a PR Ketua Bhg ) has been instrumental in making a mess of the rescue exercise.
I have always propogated that rakyat should vote wisely in the coming PRU 13 and we will exercise our rights to our votes . What we are saying to both political divide is please help us in UkayBistari and in return we will help you. Is that so difficult to understand !
Abang AK,
I will try my best.
Dear All,
What dissappointed me most is that both polical divide are blaming each other on our issue and in the process we are collateral damage to them, nobody that is worth helping.
Taking the simplest stand i.e. Mr developer , please solve the mess.
I am in constant contact with the relevant PR YBs and the CEO in the office of the State Economic Advisor. They are equally frustrated as there is no buy in from our SSG leader .
If I am MB, I will use my persuasive power on Mr developer asking him to come out with the necessary cash to complete the project. Failing which, I will get PKNS to manage completion of the uncompleted project and use PKNS wholly own contractor, PKNS Infrastructure Sdn Bhd to carry out the rescue works.
Please Balasi, talk to TSKI. It is an investment worth more than other campaigns that PR is pursuing to gain support of the rakyat and their votes.
Enough of the blaming game by PR against BN and start showing that you are the new government that care and can deliver.
Balasi
I have talk to purchasers that we pump in RM 12 mill in exchange for collateral from the developer. I have been dealing with this developer for 3 years now and I know their mentality, they dont want to accept a proposal where they have to pay the LAD. They want to run away from that responsibilities. That is why we need the Federal Government or SSG to flex their muscle. I can say with 300% certainty that MB can do the trick if he calls TSCAC into his office and use his “power of persuasion” to force TSCAC to agree to our proposal.
Doc,
Read What I wtote above ” Humbleness ”
MB is also human.
Doc.
Can you base on your commemts at the least confirm the Developer was from the BN Era..?
Nothing to do with PR..? or the present SSG..?
Doc,
This will not lead you anywhere…., know the guy’s from UMNO who have taken a lead….., to show interest.
Ask them if they remember Fairy Park Memorial in Meru…, Kelang.
Then piece the jigsaw togather.
warga malaysia ni mmg sudah kene brain-washed laa..gila hardcore PR..
ni bukan soal PR n BN…yes BN dah buat silap in the Past..n now PR should move forward…
amende la masuk kes tbh…gila songsang la lu bro
ariefpeterpan,
Not so….., you should learn to read within the lines..
the way you comment…., if you had read my past comments…in a different forum you would have brandish me a Racist.
You need to understand the context the writer want’s to convey…., if not all is lost.
kl in KL,
Before you do that,…..please educate your neighhood on what not to be thrown into their drains.
If you can do that you don’t even need to clear the drains , smart guy.
Doctor, the link at Azmin’s blog “Contact us” led to this Google map. Is that the correct location of Azmin Ali office or service center?
His service center.. he is hardly there…
Doc,
Bagi camlah….., it’s party eletion time and he is plotting his political future….., after that UK Bistari issue might be History.
And Doctor can you give us the link where we can learn more about this abandoned housing projects and your proposal for solution or even write about it in greater details
Not a demand just a simple request
Doctor perhaps you can make your “tender” more palatable if you list down other demands in addition to the abandoned project:
Eg
1. clean up the judiciary with will be our last bastion for justice if ever we are wrong. We currently don’t have that now
2. etc etc
That will not be approved by my committee. Maybe you should start your own group
Dear dr,
I come totally from a different angle. As mentioned before I want to see you succeed and in the process flesh out a mechanism. What I desire is a tranparent process for parties to articulate how they’re going to do it. It’s a process that they have to engage all the stakeholders and not only the committee. If possible both of them pitch their views at the same time before the houseowners. Then we can assess their character, sincerity and integrity. Then all the houseowners can appreciate their diligence, work and result. Make them accountable to all. Make them come back on regular intervals to explain progress. Make them approach politics differently by justifying their stand before each other. Indonesia can do it. We should also. Since this is issue driven, limit to how they want to resolve the issues. Don’t let them talk about politics as it’s useless.
“Don’t let them talk about politics as it’s useless.”
Ellese or Ellese my friend (or enemy?), what is politics? Is choosing an elected representative politics? Is debating about issues that affect politicians or even issues related to the running of governments, local councils etc etc politics. Is the petrol price politics? as one very young Malaysian asked. He asked further “who determine the petrol price? Ellese?
You want Dr Rafick to flesh out a mechanism? Are you blind? He already had and now it is know as the Dr Rafick vote tender model
Steps
1. Identify Problem
2. Get a group to vote enblock
3. Print banners
4. Issue tender documents: The one (irrespectable of repute or affiliation) who help us will get our votes
Warga Malaysia
The tender model do not apply IN ALL SITUATIONS. You sound so ignorant
ignorant? Want to exchange opinions?
OK tell me under what situations are your Dr Rafick vote tender model applicable and educate this ignoramus
OK I “was ignorant of your ” Has anyone ever thought that it is an SOS signal?”
So you issue tender. And the party with the biggest war chest and greatest ability to fulfill your wants tendered for it and won. Then what do you do? Are you going to renege on your offer when some of other unsavory stuff got revealed?
Then Ellese or Ellese A borrowed your model are repeat it for another situation and said it is only an SOS signal.
I know you and your group is desperate and want to offer my help including taking time to go see some people but I don’t know much of a help that is going to be
I used your word tender but then perhaps sound ignorant to you no? Or is it sarcasm? Are you ignorant?
not ignorant…but stupidity!
Dear ariefpeterpan,
If you cannot engage…., stay out.
But to Doc,,,,, , your answer has confuse alot of visitors….
Let’s knock of this topic.
“Don’t let them talk about politics as it’s useless.”
Yes don’t talk about how the Malaysian judiciary had been reduced to such a sorry state as having highly educated judges make judgement that NH Chan described as…. or refused an accused the due process such as getting the required documents to help defend themselves. Why talk about them? As long as Ellese is not the one sitting in the dock, why bother. Just hope that Ellese does not end up in the dock one day and then cry out for justice
Issues? You wanted to take people on issues right? What issues do you want to take on?
Read this Ellese or Ellese A: First they came…From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
“First they came …” is a famous statement attributed to Pastor Martin Niemöller (1892–1984) about the inactivity of German intellectuals following the Nazi rise to power and the purging of their chosen targets, group after group. The text of the quotation is usually presented roughly as follows:
They came first for the Communists,
and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Jew.
Then they came for me
and by that time no one was left to speak up.
Dear warga,
I hear you. I hear your argument that the only way to resolve any issue is to change government. In the meantime we have to bear With the suffering. In fact It’s okay for pakatan to lie deceive and be incompetent as long as they can become the federal government. everything will be solved. Very exciting and ingenuous solution. All you abandon house owner bayarlah sikit lagi interest and loan tu. a few more years lagi. Sacrificelah sikit. Already seven years itupun bawah bn most of the years. As for me (ie warga) I can offer advice only and at best do a demo. Yang lain tu warga cannot think of any except a quote from wikipedia. And all of you must understand the bigger picture tau. You must not only question this sacred pakatan’s goal but mesti FAHAM.
My dear Ellese or Ellese A,
Again do copy-paste here anywhere in Warga Malaysia or Sad Malaysian or Very Sad Malaysian’s comments where I have said it is OK for Pakatan to lie deceive and be competent? Where have I said to resolve any issue is to change the government?
In fact we are now reading news that are not flattering to Azmin Ali and maybe we should start a campaign that put pressure on him to not do the things that some bloggers are suspecting him of doing and put pressure on PKR or even Pakatan not to select him as candidates.
Whatever problem, which ever politician tell lies, let us expose him and take whatever steps to try to solve whatever problem. Hopefully such problems will be solved by whichever party. But I just fervently hope Malaysians will really appreciate the constraints imposed by having BN as the Federal Government and the existence of people hell bent on keeping BN in power so that the gravy trains they had been enjoying will not stop or their misdeeds will not be exposed or being made to answer for them.
My point to you Ellese or Ellese A (apologies for giving my opinion but copying you) if you can get it into your feeble mind is that all the news we have been receiving is that it is almost impossible for BN to introduce the reforms that will make Malaysia a better country for all of us to live in.
I wish I have time to list for you every event every piece of news and every issue here or elsewhere that illustrate my points.
I have become perhaps obnoxious (like Dr Rafick when he lose his patience with whoever?) is because I am very passionate at seeing the very badly needed reforms see daylight if not in my lifetime, perhaps in my descendents’ lifetime. And I can assure you that that task of changing the Federal is going to be very tough.
“Where have I said to resolve any issue is to change the government?”
Sorry should read “Where have I said to resolve any issue the only way to change the government?
Look at the other thread. I ask how to solve, you answer leads to change in government. I ask again how dies this help abandoned houseowners you have failed to answer. Why are you avoiding my question?
Warga,
Well said and written….., most if not more then most take us for granted……, nice having you in this field..
Please reply what I had left for you to answer.
Doc, might have his reasons…., but he should also stand to be corrected….., we are all after all just HUMANS.
Warga….., nice to have you around.
Ellese,
You got your point here….., I’ll agree to that…., but you have ask them to justify their stand…politically…., that I don’t agree…..since most even like me whom you call Pro PR……, is not one.
It sounds like leading the herd for pastures.
By the way…..
Define this for me wise Ellese, don’t let me down
” Demi Bangsa, Agama & Negara “
Dear warga, sad Malaysia, v sad Malaysia, tamak, etc etc
since you are the same person il reply at one go once and for all.
In the last debate where I took you on, you conceded and said the following:
“But I will concede to you that the viewpoint of the suffering individual may be different and I only pray for strength if I be so unfortunate to become one of those badly suffering human being that I will do what I think is right and not what I think being grateful means.”
now if you’re really sincere in their plight you should not make any sarcastic and condescending comments. otherwise It only goes to show you are not sincere and have bad faith. A sincere and honest person who sympathize would then offer solution but you could not offer any.
So rather than talk down on other people on their morality should you not appraised your self whether you’re honest sincere and has good faith. People question your integrity then. And if you cannot come with clean hands, you should not be entitled to speak on morality and principles. These are just simply basic values which we must uphold.
“A sincere and honest person who sympathize would then offer solution but you could not offer any.”
Dear Ellese or Ellese A whoever you are. I did offer an implicit solution but perhaps it was not specifically put as a solution so you were not able to see it. We must have a change of guard for real changes to come to malaysia because the incumbents are riding on a tiger and will get eaten if they get off. Do you understand riding a tiger? It means UMNO/BN has so many unsavory things waiting to be uncovered plus those already uncovered that scream for justice, they will do anything they can to maintain power. My take is we must put into power those who have claimed they will start the process of reformation and putting into place a system of checks and balance. Do you understand check and balance. We must also put into place a level playing field – a truly free and fair election which UMNO/BN will never give.
After those are in place and especially if we have a 2-party or 2-coalition political scene and we can really play this make them compete model
Yes how about those issues you want to take me on? When are you going to list those I requested you to list? I am waiting.
And further to this even though I am busy with many things going on all at the same time, I have offered to actively participate in a group that do not use vote baiting to solve the abandoned housing project and to offer a small cash donation of RM100 as a gesture of sincerity
What more can I do?
Forgot to add if we manage to put into power a party that really practive good governance, then the possibilities of solving all those festering problems created by the monster UMNO/BN
In fact I really don’t fancy the difficult task of Pakatan if they ever get to Putrajaya for they will be loaded with huge amount of very difficult to solve problems plus very weak finances and when they fail to solve some problem, people like Ellese or Ellese A will jump on their heads and accuse them of not fulfulling promises etc etc
I just hope you offer yourself as a candidate for election and then work to solve those problems and let us see how you fare
Dear warga,
may be I’m blind, but what is your proposed solution to the dr’s issue when selangor is not only willing to listen and in fact lied and deceived? Where’s your writing that I can refer to?
Are you saying we change the Federal government first before we can resolve this issue they are facing?
I am not saying the this particular issue will only get solved if the Federal Government is changed. One should always try and I now in the unenviable position to do something to help in this particular case but keeping quiet here is not the solution
But I am saying after all that has happened in this country my only conclusion and no other conclusion is the UMNO/BN must be replaced as the Federal power. You talk about issues. I just hope someone will take the time to list down all the issues that plague Malaysia currently and maybe I will just take on that task. Whatever I can assure you that the list of issues is going to be very very long for we votes including me had unfortunately allowed ourselves to be deluted into voting that monster into power and these power cannot afford to give up that power and will resort to very underhand tactic including bidding and winning this vote tender that Dr Rafick proposed
Hey, what’s your solution? How does this alleviate the abandon houseowners interest and loan payment. Don’t sidetrack.where’s your solution? Don’t talk only.
Where is your implicit reference to the solution that you have written? Or baru nak Cari after condemning people. I await a little while longer.
Dear warga,
As of this time, you have failed to reply why you’re not dishonest, insincere and acting in good faith to resolve this issue of abandoned houseowners. In fact you have deepened further such impression stating you have implicitly provided solution but at this time still unable to justify and refer to your earlier postings.
In fact your later writings seemed to show you are only now trying to comprehend the issue. In the meantime all the while you have heaped scorned to the abandon houseowners and particularly doctor in solving this issue.
The above reflects your values and integrity. I’m beginning to question myself why I stoop so low to entertain you.
Dishonest-Insincere-Bad faith (DIB) are not a positive value. So is an empty vessel.
Dear Mr ?
I dont know your real name yet but notice you have been using different ID when posting your comment. Among others this include
Sad Malaysia
Very Sad Malaysian Citizen
Warga Malaysi
Tamak
You questioned why I blocked your comment. Actually I did not. Because you keep switching ID, wordpress takes it as a spam as it comes from the same IP address.
Having said that I did remove 4 of your comments which you posted under the name TAMAK. For record since I started blogging till today, I have remove very few comments. This are the statistic till about 5 minutes which I extracted from wordpress.
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I am trying to keep the stats on blocked comment as low as possible but you have just increase it to 23 out of 16,163 comments
The reason why your 4 comments was removed because
(1) Sarcasm which creates no value to the discussion.
(2) Irrelevant content to the main issue
(3) Using bad language
Despite that many other comments that you posted under different name when through.
May I suggest that you stick to one name. I used drrafick and have never used anything else. There is nothing to fear by using your real name. I did. No problem so far.
Trust this explains why 4 of your comments was not publish
Thanks for posting the reasons. Reasons for using different names were partly because the names imply meanings
Tamak: Someone willing to accept favors in exchange for votes
Sad Malaysia: reflect my mood over what I read
Very Sad Malaysia: reflect my even more sad mode that a highly qualified doctor would resort to vote baiting and not even take into considderations effect of his actions. Doctor you may start a trend as there had been numerous problems created by the incumbent Federal government and former Selangor government including probably that abandoned project you are so passionate about. What if everyone follow what you do – help me and you get my vote. Is it that not a possibility especially if you finally did succeed to bait that patronage party with enormous war chest plus institutions plus machineries, and others see how they can replicate what you did eg Ellise A who said he see a working model:
Dr. Rafick tender vote model:
1. identify problem
2. offer solution
3. open tender – solve this problem and you get 1 +3999 votes and increasing. Just don’t tell me what are the other unsavory things you have done or may do in the future.
Fine example for others to follow
Yes some of the words expressed can offend but sometimes things may need special effects to get message effectively. Or perhaps I too have acquired that trait you mentioned where when you try very hard to get something done you come across as very obnoxious
bad language – if you are referring to that kind that Namewee resorts to, I plea not guilty but if languages that can offend Dr Rafick I plea guilty
Dear
Sad Malaysia/Very Sad Malaysian CitizenWarga Malaysi/Tamak & Do not publish
Pada pandangan saya anda menggunakan banyak nama samaran sebab anda hendak memberi gambaran yang ramai di laman blog ini berpandangan seperti anda.
Realitinya, di blog ini anda kesaorangan. Saya mangsa rumah terbengkalai. Saya akan mengisi borang untuk menjadi ahli dan menyokong tindakan doktor
Saudara, nasihat saya berhentilah..
hahaha sudah kantoi!!!!
(1) Sarcasm which creates no value to the discussion.
I beg to differ. When someone refused to listen to reasons sarcasm may then scream for attention
Lu suka suka la!
I desperate suka perubahan positif bagi Malaysia. Apa yang saya boleh buat? Tak mahu baca pos ini? Jangan komen?
Pada pertamanya mereka…….
Ah what about that comment with reference to that blog post about how the previous BN assemblyman disappointed you plus a hypothetical projection to the next general election? So that was irrelevant content?
And look at this doctor: lCourt denies papers to ex-airman
That is a typical “cide a precedence as justification” where a man seeking justice in the most important institution in our country – the last bastion against injustice: “udge Hayatul Akmal Abdul Aziz cited the Federal Court’s decision which rejected Opposition Leader Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim’s appeal for further documents in his sodomy trial.”
So next time I have a problem for which I offer my vote in return for the solution, I can cite the “Dr. Rafick vote tender” model
Forgot to add “was denied what he need to help defend himself”
Warga Malaysia,
You sound like another smart ass, sorry I got you wrong.
7.Right now the ball is their court. Dato Noh Omar (Selangor UMNO head) and Dato Ismail Kijo have made their first move. Sadly Azmin Ali has not even responded to emails and SMS that was sent out by my deputy. Maybe he is busy campaigning to strengthen his party position.
8.I am not going give out instruction to vote people on the basis of promises. I have done that before where I was promised the sun and the moon. It does not work. The payout will happen the moment we get what is due to us, the LAD and our houses. It is time to show who can do a better job. To those who sympathize with me and my members or who are critical of my recent writings, you can make a difference. GO AND TELL THE SELANGOR GOVERNMENT. You can do it via your Exco and your area rep. Don’t bother trying to call Azmin Ali as he this is too small for him to handle.
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Again spot on Doc.
One thing that amazes me is none of PKR or PR Leaders pick up calls, even if they know you.
Even a simple sms requesting for so and so email do not receive the appropriate attention and response.
When they do respond, most of the time is “we go teh tarik, i hand over some pocket money for your activities”.
It is not only the victims of abandoned housing projects that will vote against PR come PRU13.
Unemployment is high in Selangor and many graduates are jobless. Even the lower rung contractors are jobless.
We foresee PR Selangor as only a one term government. They are clinging on to their belief that urban voters want change. But what is there to change when there is no food on the table!
“Sadly Azmin Ali has not even responded to emails and SMS ”
I remembered Dr Rafick said that he can be obnoxious/pugnaxious at time when pressing for something and I just wonder if Azmin had been so offended by Dr Rafick that he perhaps don’t even wants to read his emails or answer his calls
Does Dr Rafick has diplomatic skills?
No he does not have any diplomatic skills. He is a straight talker and does not spare his tongue. By the way he is also a well known person in the regional takaful industry as his job mainly involves in marketing and business development.
The problems of my members are not something that is not manageable. All it requires is for the interested party to exercise its powers and necessary pressures to the TSCAC and a rolling capital that will be 100% reimbursed if it is done in our way. The state has been listening to a consultant which they did not appoint but facilitated in the whole scheme ( RSS Consultant). Their method has proven to have failed and yet the state is still listening to this consultant which has failed in its task. They still do not want to listen to us.
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RSS are nothing more than a front. There is one Z Abdullah who works for Chan Ah Chye. Instead of bringing out documents for prospective suitors to help rehabilitate the abandoned projects, he only select one and propose a JV to save Chan Ah Chye’s Skin.
The best part is the draft agreement shows only two parties gain. That is Chan Ah Chye and Z Abdullah.
The knight stand to alone to face the risk and with PR being run by NGO’s and first term legislators, this white knight will end up running around the numerous red tapes and little napoleans to sabotage the rehabilitation effort.
RSS Consult is nothing, but a joke. I have met the Exco in charge of housing, my god, he do not even know what he wants.
I though the services of RSS Consult have long been terminated.
Surprise me that they are still around. It is a matter of time UMNO and Khir Toyo go into RSS Consult crying scam after Semesta.
In any event, keep up the good work doc.
Dr Rafick, afraid to publish some comments? Afraid you have no grounds to refute those arguments about why such a move may not be that wise or even morally right?
Dear warga,
a very unbecoming and childlike comment. You already gave in the previous debate. You said you don’t want to be insensitive to the plights of this people yet you taunt again. If you want to start all over again answer my many unanswered questions. you can’t even defend from a moral standpoint but want to take a highground. Unbelievable.
Ellese, I don’t like to say this, but you seem to be unable to grasp other’s viewpoints and extremely free with personal opinions of others. OK you want to take me on on some issues earlier then backtracked. So let us take your statement as an issue ad the take me on on that: “If you want to start all over again answer my many unanswered questions. you can’t even defend from a moral standpoint ”
1. So please list here those unanswered questions:
2. List here what is it that I cannot defend from a moral standpoint
I await your response and hope Dr Rafick don’t can my comments
Regarding being sensitive yes it can be considered so but I have posted my response which I do not know if Dr Rafick had deleted as either you did not read it or you do not have the capacity to understand it
So let me repeat – we are dealing with high stakes with the future of Malaysia in which all Malaysians have a stake against the interest of the suffering purchasers of the abandoned project, so put those 2 on a scale and tell me which way it will tip
And since I have come across as so uncaring, when I find the time I will write and/or see those persons that Dr Rafck had mentioned in earlier comments and make an offer to join actively any group that will help pressure for the solution to abandoned house project without the “you help me I help you my candidate win you get cheque” kind of threats or bribery and perhas even make a donation
I am appalled with what I read in these two recent articles posted. It seems that many are more interested in solving their grouses. They would sell their soul to those willing to solve their problems for them. It is SO SELFISH and it is just like making a deal with the DEVIL. I do not blame them if they are an atheist, it would be a real shame if they claimed to be religious.
It is just like saying, “give me a contract and I will vote for you”. What difference are you all from what is being practised by these UMNO warlords? They are just doing what you all are trying to do. To them, “make me rich and I will deliver you whatever thousands of votes”. Please do not try to justify that what you all are doing is different from them. To me, these warlords had also invested just as much in the business as you had for your home or whatsoever. So, what is the difference? It is just a SELFISH ACT for selling your votes.
Malaysian cynic you’re SO SELFiSH. What’s wrong with them doing this after being lied and deceived. You talk from a moral standpoint but could not offer a solution. Talk only. Is this moral? Dr is doing good deeds and you just talk. You think voting pakatan gives them the right to give dirt service. Now who has sold his soul and being selfish. Anyway pakatan can still deliver. Why are you Thinking that they are too incompetent to compete?
Ellese
I begin to think that you are getting emotional. I really do not understand how I could be selfish by giving a rational comment. But from drrafick’s response, may I presume that he is more incline to a business-like dealing. His request is simple, “you solve my problem, I vote for you”.
Well, in such dealing, it normally takes two to tango. Since drrafick et al had made their offer, it is the prerogative of these political party whether to accept the offer or otherwise. At the moment, I do not see any dealing getting done at the moment; probably not the right time yet. Maybe when election gets closer, your luck might change for the better.
One must know how to accept losses when getting in a raw deal. With Tan Ah Chye and his notorious track records, you people still proceed with it. I could only suspect that either it is a real bargain or you people are being a hard headed fool. If I have the choice, I would rather want the government or political party to look into the welfare of the poor, uneducated and under privilege before using the chunk of $$$ on this project.
Malaysian cynic
(1) I offered an EQUAL OPPORTUNITY BASIS TO BOTH POLITICAL PARTY. BOTH PARTY HAS THE MEANS TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM. WHATS WRONG WITH THAT. LET THE BEST MAN WINS.
Dear Doc,
(1) BN is the better man, they would win easily. Tun Mahathir had said it bluntly and was report in main stream media to challenge DSAI regarding the cross over of MPs to topple the government. He said something like this “Who do you think has more money and purchasing power?”
(2) Federal Government is BN, whether you like it or not Federal can squeeze your balls or make you have constipation. That is why we have faceoff between Lim Guan Eng and the little napoleon.
BN has the upper hand to win.
Dear Wave33
Let me spell out what we expect from the government
(1) Pressure TSCAC to cooperate with our proposal
(2) Loan the purchasers about 10 mill. This loan will be refunded 100% (with interest) within 12 months after disbursement. Loan will be guaranteed by members 100%
(3) Rest of details is our trade secret.
Basically are you saying the SSG cannot afford to loan RM12 mill for year. SSG has a state fund of over 1.7 bill. It has so many healthy GLC which also has tons of money.
I am saying all along that it is an equal opportunity tender because (1) both can influence TSCAC (2) Both can afford to spare RM12 mill
The rest leave it to us
Dear Doc,
The proposal looks good in paper.
There is still calculated risk for PR, namely:
a) Sabotage by any bodies or people whom are pro-BN. Sabotage has been working very very very very well for BN so far.
b) Red tape created by Federal
I do think there are many more risk to consider, but I am not fimilar with all these. Are these PR concern? PR will not acknowledge the fear of risk, it is an unpopular move to say openly but to risk it with the plan and face sabotage could perhaps adds salt into the wound of house owners.
Like Kampung Buah Pala, PR could solve it but it will take away a huge chunk of Government of Penang funds. PR has to set their priorities with the small monies and dinar that they have left.
Solving the water issue in Selangor also involves gigantic funds.
Disclaimer: I dunno and not fimilar, could these be part of the truth.
SSG can solve this problem. Your two concern is a non issue.
Would be interesting to see if the SSG would bow down to your demands and convene a state assembly sitting to sanction this loan.
Doc,
Earlier commentator Ellese puts up a very interesting point. Perhaps this sort of model could work.
In fact, there is no reason why it shouldnt. Economics is all about incentives. And, the reason why both of sides of the fence (BN or PR) do not listen to voters, is because they do not need to.
50 years of ruling breeds complacency. For some, even less than 5 years also makes them complacent. Lets make them work for the votes.
In fact, if I may suggest, do not make this about a single issue only, list down a whole string of demands.
I pray for your success.
drrafick,
Agreed. On the right track.
- some are paying for ONLY seeing their housing plan.
- some are paying for EMPTY land.
- some are paying for FOUR concrete beams.
- some Passed Away ( deceased) after paying for decades without even occupying their dream house.
- some died in the dream in DREAMING their house purchase which did end up as drug addict dens.
- some just cant move in to their houses which are complete but cannot move in . water problem,electrical ,roof leaking so many things that is not the fault of buyers.
- Some goes bancruptcy for not paying the banks for a house they bought BUT never seen with their bare eyes.they can only see clearly their TEARS rolling down for years and even decades.
- But the so call developer enjoying their LIFE and laughing to the bank to check their FAT balance of Money deceived from the poor and helpless house buyers,
pelangisenja,
If we have stupid house buyers like you….., then jangan cakap banyak, jilat sendiri saja…,
You buy a house even without seeing a sample unit ..? Are you a Idiot…, or so smart…., talk COCK can see the forum…, and see you is commenting in the forum…
Bodoh…., you think the others are like you so stupid.
Now ….the SSG policy…, Built and then Sell….., it should have been done a long time ago.
Bukit Botak Phase two pratices this new concept…., so buyers are not tied up with interest for their housing loans till the house is delivered.
So rainbow enjoy your Raya.
balasi,,
I consent your view a 100%.
How could this so pressuming learnerd people be so unlearnerd?
They say they are graduates,,MBBS, BABA, LCCI, BHRM,,,bullshit,,,they kept electing the same government for 52 years,,, trusting on their words and now they want to,,,,,,, BLACMAIL the new STATE GOVERNMENT,,,through the number of votes.
I have seen many cows like this,,, being tied on the nostrills and being led to the pool of nectar,,,ultimately these cows die a natural death.
Dr. Amrit,
They never study the bigger picture…., just shot from the waist.
hope DSAI’s, MB, ADUNs in nearby areas read this doc
they better act before its too late
Once upon a time, there was a doctor who said Malaysia politics is craps because they tend to vote along partisan lines without considering the merits of the candidate. Even when faced with arguments that Malaysia is suffering from advanced cancer and the doctor need to help with drastic surgery plus help put in place a system of checks and balance so that in future who wins the election becomes important because a proper systems will help keep the winning candidate in place, the highly educated doctor still is adamant that he will not vote along party line.
But then one day faced with the difficulties in getting an abandoned housing project and the sufferings of ???? families this kind doctor suddenly changed his tune and said “We will vote as a block any party that helped us (irrespective of what else that party had done or will do)”
Than a person named Azman Wahid (Bkt Antarabangsa folks fed-up with BN rep by Dr Mohamed Rafick Khan Abdul Rahman) backed by a party with an enormous war chest plus federal power incumbency came and ask: “What is your problem?” and this kind doctor said “oh only a very small problem – only a few millions to help kick start this abandoned project)”
….. March 2013 Breaking news: BN regained two-third majority…….
an orang Asli Angeh: Doctor, BN still have not given me back my ancestoral land, can you help me?
doctor: Sorry not my problem
ISA detainee wife: Doctor, you helped BN win I am sure BN will listen to you. My husband never receive a fair trial, please help get my husband released
doctor: Sorry not my problem
Penan girl: Doctor this man raped me and the authorities did nothing, please…..
Doctor: Sorry not my problem
etc etc
And then one fine day, this kind doctor found that the house he is staying in does not belong to him anymore for somehow the title had been fraudulently transferred and subsequently sold.
So the kind doctor sought justice in the Malaysian Palace of Justice. Outcome, the kind doctor lost his case and now faced eviction from the house he had called home for so many lovely years
(fictitious story but based on case of Adorna Properties Sdn Bhd vs Boonsom Boonyanit.)
You thinking is clouded between a national and a LOCAL issue
Dear Doc,
Very Sad Malaysian Citizen is not clouded, I understand his argument and I support his argument.
National is the BIG umbrella where LOCAL is under the BIG umbrella.
Kalau BIG umbrella bocor, LOCAL tak basah ke?
We have to get the Housing Act corrected and house buyers protected.
The housing ACT currently is biased but there is enough room to maneuver. HBA is addressing this issue and new laws are being drafted.
Dear Doc,
Quote: “HBA is addressing this issue and new laws are being drafted.”
Yakah? Federal level or State level?
Please suggest blacklisting and punishment by jail. Fine is useless because they have tons of money else where. Like Bung Mokthar, he can afford to pay the fine (it is like paying for his dinner), we want him to be jailed. A law maker breaking the law is a serious crime.
Thanks.
Wave 33
I wish that we talk about facts. You are not aware about the changes in law. I am because I am concern and I was given the opportunity to study the drafted law
drrafick,
very sad malaysian citizen house was robbed, his security guard is found murdered….and…..and….and…..he lost almost everything.
this very sad malaysian citizen do not bother what happen to him and waited for JUSTICE for ALL similar happening in the country FOR he believed HIS problem is a localised problem and HE always wait for ALL the similar cases being solved in the COUNTRY before HE is even willing to THIK and ACT about his localised problem.
HOW BIG IS HIS HEART !!!!! because what he had gone tru is NOT as BIG as the other incident in the whole country. BIG UMBRELLA!.
“very sad malaysian citizen house was robbed, his security guard is found murdered..”
Yeah which government forced an IGP upon Malaysians, the first in the world described by a judge as an unreliable witness (meaning he cannot be believed) who is more interested in fulfilling his politcal master to arrest and rough up peaceful candle light vigilers rather than catching real criminals. Whom depature from this important post was described by Tunku Aziz as an answer to prayers.
Well if crime rates continue to be high and if you pelangisenja happened to be the unfortunate victiom, you know who or which party to thank
” I’ll support what is right and oppose what is wrong,” said Zaid
Zaid laments attacks on bid to be PKR No 2
dear dr,
I’m quite happy that you’ve proceeded with this manner. I have a few questions which I will ask later. At the moment, I am not interested in who’s winning the tender but more of the process and developing a model. Please keep me update as to what’s happening generally. I’m interested to see whether by doing this both parties will solve the issue in earnest and raise up their responsiveness. To me it could be a dawn of a new model to get both of these parties to focus on rakyats issue rather than all the negative useless politicking. It’s we who should determine and drive the political agenda and not them. We can then apply this model then on a nationwide basis.
Congrats to you for proceeding in this manner despite the furious criticism. If this succed may also apply to force the resolution of the water issues. How to do this is uncertain for the time being but am cautiously hopeful.
Ellese quoted: “may also apply to force the resolution of the water issues”
FAT HOPE!
Ellese quoted: “It’s we who should determine and drive the political agenda and not them.”
FAT HOPE!
Of the 53 years of rule, BN bulldoze all their projects without the consent of the Rakyat. They have been arrogant, have you forgotten. Muda lupa?
Rakyat was always held at ransom. Why you do think the hell came about OSA? Even, Tun Ling has to appeal for declassification, mind you. If you drive further the political agenda, they call in the FRU to give you a field day and threaten you with ISA.
We only saw the Rakyat beginning to exercise their power ONLY recently. If you notice, it is only PR event, that the Rakyat gave a lashing of the tongue to PR. It does not matter whether it is funded or coerced by BN. It is healthy. It is really healthy. At BN event, special branch would there and a division of Polis Raja Di Malaysia would be there to nap you and catalogue you. You will not see any tongue lashing unless Zaid Ibrahim or Tian Chua is there. These people have guts.
Issue on the abandon housing which is heavily debated here is healthy too. If you turn back the clock before 8th March 2008 and before the internet (alternative media). This is all a dream with a dictator running the country.
Jangan Mudah Lupa.
Dear wave,
I can easily argue to the contrary. Have you forgotten that BN has tremendously improved our standard of living? Have you forgotten that the malasian GDP Per capita in 70s were 3k but now 14k. Have you forgotten that income household in 1990 has more than 40% earning less than RM1000 but now bottom 40% earns less than RM2500. In 1990 only 1.7% earned more than RM5000 but now around 20% earned more than RM5000. Have you forgotten that our poverty level has improved by leaps to around 3.5%? Have you forgotten that since NEP was introduced income gap has improved? (look at the gini coefficient numbers? Does this not benefit rakyat. Undeniably yes. So Jangan mudah lupa my friend.
Why are you being selective? Get out of this partisan mindset. There’s no one who is 100% right or 100% wrong. Look from an objective perspective.from there you can discern between right and wrong.
What doc did is absolutely correct. He had been lied and deceived? sSG has not been responsive. Rather than going to bn he was absolutely correct to allow all the parties to compete to provide better service. This should be the new model to get better responsive politics.
By the way Wave, in previous commentaries you were critical of racism but avoid my question whether you’re agreeable with non discriminatory law and practices. Why I’m not sure unless you’re a different wave. Not relevant to this thread so appreciate if we can debate there.
“, I am not interested in who’s winning the tender but more of the process and developing a model”
So after a few iterations a model emerged:
1. identify problem
2. problem statement
3. print banner – “Tender: Help solve problem X and get Y block votes. Background and future plan immaterial”
4. close eyes and ears
Ellese,
Agreed.
Personally I think Dr, you have revealed what many had said about DSAI that he is not to be trusted.
When you wrote that he had said, “Don’t worry” and yet creates worries, I am beginning to doubt whether he is a changed person.
I agree with you Dr, that a man should honor his words.
Never the less, time will tell.
I pray and hope that DSAI will honor his words to you especially.
Dear Doc,
It is indeed sad… that we have to come to vote fishing.
I do not feel too well. The winner would be BN, they have plenty of money and dinar.
Curious, Khir Toyo has not called you yet?
No
you pay rm 1.00 then you get that value amount of service.
it is worth a ringgit.
picajayboy,
What RM 5 mil was Doc talking about and what are you emphasizing……?
Balasi
Let me answer this. So that you hear from me directly and understand the issue.
Rafizi Ramli who is CEO of Selangor State Economic Office (as well as Anwar Special Assitant) told me and YB Zuraidah of Ampang that he is in the process of making RM 5 mill available to inject into the project. I followed the matter on weekly basis for 3 months and every week I get different excuses. It is at that level,this level etc etc. Finally i decided to dig the matter. Through another YB who clarified with LPHS and MB office/Housing Exco office, it seems there was no such thing. Rafizi Ramli took us for a ride.
This guy is now contesting for AMK chief post. He thinks in view of his unique position since he has been running around with Anwar for the past one year can make him someone. Truthfully yes he can be someone in the political arena but not because he can help the people but because he knows how to take advantage of the situation to help himself.
He is like a parasitic plant that temporarily stick to a tree and then move on to grow to another tree till he reach the top. A man who lied to me ONCE will never earn my trust again.
Lets look at Azmin Ali, I worry if he becomes PKR number two. On ground he is no different than my previous UMNO ADUN. I want ADUN to work and not to come and grace majlis buka puasa and then go home! What value you do to rakyat like that? Come and show face to show that he cares. How much allocation has been spent in BA. To me it is more like a PR exercise for himself. He did not come to do anything but just to show the people that he is around! Do I need a YB like this.
Doc,
Yesterday Habib Rak….., mention you shook hands with Anwar…., I assume Rafizi .., made the pledge with Anwar on tow..when he made the pledge…., did it not hit you a CEO on his own account cannot make that amount (RM5 mil )in pledge.
You were taken for aride…, but don’t blame the others.
It’s for the Adilan members to choose whoever they want since we are apolitical.
Azmin….., can be busy for his own survival…politically…., so let it all settle down.
The saying better to know the Devil you know, then the one you don’t should not be the issue here.
Anyway relax Doc.