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I am not sure how many articles I wrote about TBH from the moment he ejected or was ejected through the window of the Shah Alam office window. I have loss count. One reader suggests that I wrote a book because he says that it has been so many articles. Writing a book is something that can be done but getting it published is another story all together especially in Malaysia.
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TBH is a human being. Some people want to make it into a racial issue. Clearly, I think there are enough cases of injuries involving Malaysian while being in the custody of enforcement agencies in Malaysia. So let us expect nothing less than a decent and fair justice for TBH. It is important not so much for TBH but for the living i.e. the family, the fatherless child and all Malaysian who can a potential victim like TBH.
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Sadly, this inquest seems to be taking too long. The interest in the case is dying. A friend even told me today that TBH is an old story and is no longer relevant. That shocks me. I guess the dragging case and the many experts and witnesses that have been called have made it no longer interesting to follow.
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Today a British pathologist (Dr Vanezis) gave his views. In his statement he said that TBH was alive when he “ejected” through the window. To quote, he said, “I’m a pathologist. All I can say is that person was alive, oriented and fell”. I find that the choice of words use has been very carefully selected. Being alive and oriented means that TBH has been well. The word fell suggest accidental. He did not use the word push or thrown out from the window.
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I am not a pathologist but as a doctor, I cannot comprehend on what basis that the Dr Vanezis claims that TBH was alive and oriented prior to his fall. How can one make such a conclusion by looking at a body during a second post-mortem? The absence of defensive injury on the deceased is not good enough to come to such conclusion. An unconscious person would also not have any defensive injuries. A man under tremendous intimidation and pressure would not fight especially if there is more than intimidator in the same room. Dr Vanezis has intentionally close his professional options by making such statements. It is down right unprofessional.
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In any death, there are motives. The motives of a suicide are clearly missing here. The possibility of an accidental fall can be disputed by the following facts
- Size of the window
- The torn pants
- The broken window latch
- Unexplained scratch marks on the shoes
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The unsubstantiated facts that he was released a few hours before he was found dead.
- Size of the window
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The fact that he had broken legs could jolly well means that he had been carried through the window and threw out of the window leg first and in the process his pants got stuck in the window latch and it broke it. It cannot be use as a basis of jumping out of a window. Why this possibility not being considered by the pathologist in coming to a conclusion? A bruise mark around the neck if diffuse can be attributed to a fall but a bruise that matches a persons hand print cannot be equate due to a fall. Dr Vanezis fails to explain on why the presence of the unique shape of the bruise. This is a point that I agree with Dr Porthnip.
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At the rate this case is dragging, I am not convinced that a reasonable explanation is being considered as the cause of the “ejection” and the eventual death. It seems that the MACC lawyers are looking at extra ordinary (or unreasonable) explanation circumstances that led to the death. From where I am standing it appears that MACC lawyers are not trying to seek the truth but behaving as if they are defending a guilty party. This is sad. That is not what inquest is all about.
Teoh Beng Hock; Who?
April 26, 2010 by Dr R@28


The ghosts of TBH and Altantuya will strike back. And that day isn’t very far off!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The dead do not tell tales…just to BAD
So the story telling now is with the very alive !
Just too bad the stories are all LIES !
Just too bad we now live in LIAR LAND…..
on top of all the rest we have known and heard:
BOLEH-LAND
BODOH-LAND
CURI LAND
HABIS LAND
BANKRAP LAND
“LASTLY NO MORE LAND” when everything is finished in this country who once was peaceful, clean, pretty, harmonious, sweet and lovely….all will be HIS- STORY !
ADIOUS
dr,
,,,if after being tortured and battered, one would never think of committing such an act of killing oneself via such a small window-lah !. just too crazy an act yaa….
,,,guess, he would rather do it in front of the public to show his final act of frustration, won’t that be the case for the rest of us too ?.
,,,this poor guy was bullied and tortured by the MACC personnel and untill today none has been brought forward to answer for such act !. What bloody stupid justice is this ?. My stand nowadays, if whosoever tries any funny business with me, better be ready to battle out to the very end. For sure, I won’t die b4 a few are dead !. Its back to basic survival, I guess ??. if not, why not ?.
,,,Can I be blamed ?. We have rotten top leadership and we must change it for the future generation….. no two ways about it.
,,,my take, this poor guy was killed/murdered and the Authorities must find the killers. I honestly don’t believe that he jumped out of the stupid window head first !. Unless, he is already dead ?. eeerrmm…..
In Vanezis’ website, under High Profile Cases, he should add to it:
• I was invited to give lop-sided opinions ‘in favour of’ the generous Malaysian government in the case of the death of an opposition political aide, thought to have committed suicide.
Vanezis, remember, what goes around comes around.
The people in power can do a lot, say a lot, but all clearly intended to bluff the general public. However is the general public really such without a mind? Most will choose to keep quiet but their eyes, ears and minds are seeing, hearing and interpreting. Trust me when i say we the general public are wiser than u think. The more dirty work those in power do, the more they turn the public away from them; only sincere and real effort to do what is good for the people will win them. So really i hope those in power please work sincerely and earnstly, we do desire to be impressed….
How did this doctor come to the conclusion that Teoh was “oriented?” As a pathologist he should just report based on the evidence before him and not go on a frolic of his own drawn from his own imagination, aided perhaps by wads of MACC cash. Teoh was interrogated mercilessly overnight by the MACC Gestapos taking turns and deprived of food and sleep. Did Vanezis take this into account when he declared Teoh was “oriented?”
Doc, you sudah kalahlah, orang putih ada website .com, you hanya ada blog.spot, haha.
bangkalipoylukiaka
Apa nak buat.. dia sekali datang bagi opinion dapat bayar ratus ribu.. saya dapat beberapa ringgit je… jadi guna yang free je la!
At least he is better than someone who made conclusion based on heresay
who made conclusion based on heresay?
This inquiry is a sandiwara with the MACC and the entire government machinery and its media trying to cover up the the truth.
Why the need to postpone the inquiry for a month after two days of hearing?
Dr Porthnip has been ‘officially’ threatened an intimidated. Even the Thai govt has asked for written safety assurance for her.
MACC is paying this orang putih to cover up the truth. He has to play to MACC’s tune.
This threat email is staged by MACC. They are good at this. Remember they even burnt their own vehicle.
THIS IS THE BIGGEST COVER UP OF THE CENTURY!!!
CORRECT!
Now, knowing that Dr Pornthip will be coming to KL, I won’t be surprised that they staged this Dr Vanezis’ ‘death threat e-mail’.
This is because, in the event that ‘something’ DOES happen to her (which ‘someone’ might be planning, despite the govt guaranteeing her safety), they could say, look both pathologists received threats but it was unfortunate that it was she who kena, as both had been made to seem ~vulnerable~.
Is she coming.. I thought she has decided not to come.. was there a new development that i missed!
Yep, drrafick… That’s what’s reported in the main article on the trial. Read NST, Wed 28 Apr. Dr Pornthip is expected to testify on May 20.
Dear Dr Rafick
You can publish books easily these days!
Try this
http://www.lulu.com
Regards,
Well, it’s typical la, drag the case so that people will lose interest and better still, forget about it. As Dr M said, Melayu mudah lupa. India pun mudah lupa, kadang-kadang Cina pun boleh lupa. So after awhile, everybody will forget about it.
But those of us who are still conscious, should never forget. We must never forget how the present govt suppress and oppress people to keep themselves in power and continue to enrich themselves. In HS, the UMNO prime minister used the govt’s coffer like it was his own inheritance. But we know better, development should have been given to the people in the past 30 years, not pay in pitiful sums in one buy-election. So, we must never forget about Toeh Beng Hock, who was victimised to bring about the downfall of his bosses, but MACC made a mistake and somehow, he ‘fell from the MACC window’. AS far as I can see, he died in the hands of MACC. Enough for a warrant to arrest the MACC officers for death of a person in their custody!!
The case drags on….and on..
Interesting development…. check it out
Many On_Line news reported that our Prof.Peter lodged a police report Monday night after receiving AN intimidating e-mail, following his testimony in the Teoh Beng Hock inquest.
However, NST reported something extra
NST >http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/NST/articles/20100427103051/Article/index_html
SHAH ALAM: The coroner’s court was told that Prof Dr Peter Vanezis had received death threats against him and his family via email yesterday. He had lodged a police report yesterday night.
MACC DPP Datuk Abdul Razak Musa told the court that the witness was willing to continue giving his evidence but was uncomfortable being in the country. He wants to leave Malaysia as soon as he finishes giving his testimony in the inquest.
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Notice that most online news report said AN (read 1) INTIMIDATING email , whereas NST report said DEATH THREATS (more than 1).
Huh…… He wants to leave Malaysia as soon as he finishes giving his testimony in the inquest ! But WHY ?
(As far as security and safety is concerned, the Malaysian securities services provided 24 hours service).
Ah… Is David Copperfield in town…….?
Even if Dr Porntip changed her mind and decided to testify now or tomorrow …. too late cos
(source MalaysiaInsider Twitter few minutes ago)
> the Coroner had just dismissed Prof.Peter as a witness
> Next hearing is fixed on 20 May 2010
Nak cerita apa lagi ?? Tahu sama tahu..
Anybody knows how much Dr Vanezis has been paid by MACC?
I think the one who threathens Dr. Pornthip is the same person who threatens Dr Vanezis in the email – for different reason and effect.
The reason for threatening Dr Pornthip is to discourage her from giving testimony in Malaysia and the reason for threatening Dr. Vanezis is to give him reason for cutting short his testimony in court saying he wants to go home as soon as possible. By doing so, he won’t be subject to long, grueling questioning by TBH’s lawyers as well as the lawyers couldn’t raise his questionable past cases he has handled!
Dear fairmind
I believe that is your theory only right..
Dear Dr. Rafick,
Honestly, I do not see justice being served in this case. The final judgment has already been sealed. The right judgment that will be served to all will be on judgment day i.e. in the hereafter.
Notice something strange? Dr Pornthip was ‘pressured’ not to attend when it is time for this so-called expert from MACC to testify. He is now in a way rebutting all of Dr. Pornthip’s findings.
In the end, Dr. Pronthip will be discredited and all’s well for MACC.
Isn’t it obvious that the Dr. Vanezis’ sudah masuk dlm somebody’s (deep) pocket??
To the BN government, TBH is just another person that happened to lost his soul during interrogation. There are lots more that hidden from the public. What makes TBH so special is the news got more publicity. Justice won’t uphold unless BN get out from the throne.
I would have thought that an individual will fly head first out of a window in a suicide.(unlike a cat which can right its position). There is thus no reason to impulsively break his fall. His head would be crushed. No pathologist can comment on the mental state of the deceased( ? orientated ).
Dr Porthnip should come not only for justice..She has lots to gain if the “facts’ presented by this unprofessional (Dr Vanezis is proven wrong by her…Image will be projected and professionalism and unbiased analysis of Asian pathologist will prove to the world of what integrity is all about..and bring shame to all those who claim to be professional..
Is there a way to find on the web cases handled by this Dr Vanezis that flaw?
Justice must be upheld despite all the odds…
Take heed…”THE EVIL THAT MEN DOETH LIVES AFTER THEM”.
They have given their souls over to the Devil as his instruments of evil and mischiefs. Live right and all will be well with ye.
Why cant they lift the prints from the window ledge? No TBH prints means he did not open the window.
i no pathologist … i no doctor … i probably bin watching too much CSI.
but we do know 1 thing – money does wonders. u used it to buy a state, u use it to buy a constituency, frogs, conscience etc … money makes the world go round.
tis inquest, from the way it is conducted shows dat it is meant to hide the truth rather than reveal it. and time is on their side: it is to detach the emotional aspect (family or public) of the case. they know, Msians mudah lupa.
u want to know the truth? change the goverment. otherwise, forget it! pathetic? ya.
One don’t need to be a lawyer to know for murder there must be a motive and murderer knows the victim. If the murderer does not know the victim than he/she is paid by one who knows the victim.
One don’t need to have studied psychology to know that people don’t commit suicide just because one is questioned in relation to one’s work. People don’t commit suicide when everything is going well in their lives. Suicide also need some planning. Might be MACC is telling us that TBH had planned all along that if he was called by MACC for questioning, he would jump out of the window.
Looking at the happening in this country, sometimes I wonder whether I am staying in Malaysia or staying in an unknown planet in the universe.
I think the british frog get extra paid to put up this statement.
Dr, some interesting article..
Pursuit of truth
http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2001/apr/24/highereducation.careers
Taking the stand as an expert witness in a high-profile court case is not a task for the faint-hearted. Academic reputations can be at stake, but for those who relish a fight the personal rewards can be great. Joe Plomin reports
Joe Plomin
The Guardian, Tuesday 24 April 2001 17.56 BST
Extracted:
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Years ago, Vanezis went to court with a brief about a woman’s murder that he had
not read thoroughly. When asked about the wounds, he read out “stabbed incised
wounds”. The judge knew that stab wounds and incisions were two different things
and admonished him, saying “you don’t give a fig about this case”.
Professor Vanezis scurried out of court too quickly to pick up his remittance.
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So much for the so called expert !! Playing with words !
Dr. Vanezis conclusion that Teoh was conscious when he fell is based on his claim that Teoh used his hands defensively to break his fall. However as Gobind pointed out, there were no marks on his palms and his wrists were not broken so this could not have happened.
The injuries on Teoh’s upper arms appear to be secondary injuries after his body hit the ground. Or they could have been defensive injuries when poor Teoh was being interrogated and beaten.
A very unprofessional testimony which leaves nobody convinced.
And yep…just one more thing.. Gobind should just ask one question tomorrow and ask for a straight answer from Vanezis. Does he know or taught any of the KKM’s pathologists. He will then have to answer yes….and lo and behold the truth will set this country free!!!
I smell pitih(money). Who cares about professionalism when it can’t bring extra wealth. Integrity? What for? It can’t guarantee your ricebowl. For example at my age (61),if I have the opportunity,I’ll go for pitih. My worth may not be there tomorrow because age factor. So I will lompat,tell lies, anything as long as I get my pitih.
Vanezis was Regius Professor in Forensics at Glasgow U between 1994 and 2000 something. And Glasgow is the preferred choice for training of both UKM and Health Ministry would be pathologists for various reasons then. Glasgow was cheap although a dreary city. There was a substantial Kampong Melayu at Otago Street and around Kelvingrove park. There was a largely friendly Paki community. And for Malaysian scholarship holders there was Vanezis. To be a recognized pathologist in Malaysia you must firs then pass your MRCPath and do a substantial attachment with someone famous like Vanezis. But in true Ketuanan style, a shortcut must be found. Glasgow was one of those few places that ran an Msc Forensic Pathology course. KKM and UKM sent their pathologists there and they come back and get it gazetted as a specialist qualification. As a policy maker (Jusa C and above), you can make your own rules, and get the government to recognize your qualifications. Simple huh. So Vanezis, has a constant flow of students, dungu that they maybe. But dungus pay £9000 a year for two years for an MSc course. The money flows to Glasgow U who are happy with Vanezis and our dungu pathologist are also happy because they get to come back home to be called forensic pathologists with a fat pay and no on calls. But wait. There is more money to be made. Dungu pathologists screw up or because they are half baked they dont know how to cover their asses or the govt’s asses. What to do? No problem. Call boss to come lahh. Sure come one. Otherwise constant supply of dungu students will stop. Somemore paying him buisness/first class air ticket with fat fees. He will not only come. But will use his reputation and clean up our mess. So there you are, Peter Vanezis, the cikgu for our dumbo, unethical, cheats who got their pathology degrees via the back door – they have nothing to worry about. Their cikgu is here to clean up the mess. I am surprised the PR fellas never did their homework. Vanezis was never and will never be an independant pathologist like Pornthip is. The MACC should have called in an independent pathologist from the US under whom all our pathologists didn’t train with. Vanezis, sold himself today. His colleagues in the UK will know about this. He is finished.
I know of a true case (a close friend of mine) who in his course of his work discovered some nasty truth (unethical practices) by the contractor. They had been covering up their professional negligence. This guy apparently got documented proofs. They tried to kill him in front of his house. Miraculously he survived 2 blows to his head, slashes to his arm and torso. The neighbours watched but did not come to his rescue. Now 2 years later, they are still stalking his house to kill him; his car had been shot and tailed many times. Despite making 3 police reports, the police said they could not do anything. I suppose they need him to be killed first before action can be taken. There is the motive and at least 3 attempts. There were emails sent by his employer to set him up but each time he managed to escape death. But luck could run out some time.
It is like a death sentence to him. Is this the punishment (or reward) for exposing frauds and fraudulent medical certificates. For too long society have condone injustices, frauds and wrong doing. The evils made use of this social loophole and profit while the good suffers. We are paying thru TBH and the case of my friend. With rewards like these, it is better we close one eye? See no evil, hear no evil and speak no evil and live a happy life? Tell the truth and you will be hunted down like a crook while the real crooks live happily ever after. We should revise all our fairy tales.
This Doctor was also involved in some said conspiracy theories. Makes one wonder of his credibility and his connections with various government.
Taken from Dr. Vanezis site:
http://www.petervanezis.com/high_profile_cases.html
“Below are a few recent examples of recent cases I have been involved in:
* I was invited to investigate the circumstances surrounding the death of
Princess Diana
* I have given opinions for the Presidential Truth Commission in Korea on
deaths in custody
* Investigation of the medical evidence of the British Nurses in Saudi Arabia
accused of the murder of one of their colleagues
* The investigation of the Railway killer and his accomplice
* I have given evidence for the Truth and Reconcilliation Council of the Republic of South Africa.
* The identification of the last victim of the Kings Cross fire
* WHO led investigation of the death of the Zviad Gamsakhurdia., former Georgian President, thought to have committed suicide.
* Advisor to the Russian authorities on the identification of the Romanovs.
* The Tyrolean Iceman”
at the end Teoh peng Hock will become the like of Kugen, Altantuya & many other X-Files of malaysia.
Maybe what Anwar said is true – that Teoh feel hot during interrigation, he open the window then play with it….and then sendiri jatuh……
dr,
,,,there are just too many cases of untimely death while the victims were under investigations by the authorities, guess there are many more unreported or unknown cases to the public ?. Its basicly the unprofessional attitude of the investigators using both physical and mental torture to get whatsoever answers from the victim.
,,,it seems that one can even get away with murder in this country !. The Law taking the law into their bloody hands plus at times, if not most times getting away scotfree from prosecution too !. A typical sign of a bankrupt system of governance and political leaders of murderous character plus evil mindset leading the nation.
,,,scary indeed for the rakyat, just to think of it. This is not a movie but the real thing…murders and killings !.
,,,again it all boils down to having the right leadership. We have NOT got it right and its about time to CHANGE big time ?.
Doc
My exact sentiments! The way this inquest is being dragged out resembles very much the Altantuya murder trial. I mean at the slightest pause, the coroner postpones the case for two weeks or a month!!
Thats mean, it looks like a deal was done before the inquest and the question is on whose head are they going to hang TBH’s untimely death on?
It looks like it will be on TBH’s head itself!!
I too am puzzled with Vanezis’s “alive and oriented” testimony. Gobind will have to get complete clarity from him. Like you say, it occurred to me too that TBH could have been unconscious when he exited the 15th floor window. The suicide hypothesis, like Altantuya’s murder by 2 stranger cops, suffers from lack of motive.
Was Vanezis briefed about ALL the extenuating circumstances surrounding TBH’s death. I wouldn’t put my money on MACC or its lawyer Razak doing the honest and decent thing by being professionally objective!
Mind you, I think Vanezis (go take a look at his CV) is too much of an expert and professional to lie or mislead anyone; he has too much integrity and a sterling reputation to protect.
The trouble is, so too is the case with Pornthip. So, we have a case of 2 experts with diametrically opposed conclusions.
Who will the Coroner believe? That’s the $64,000 question. Or has it been decided already for him?
Well, there’s still the RCI promised by Najib to come if the “sudden suicide” supporters have the day at the coroner’s inquest!!
dpp
we are all of 1 race, the Human Race
What he cares about his professionalism when the pay master is MACC. Furthermore, can add one more refence to his High Profile cases… MACC vs TBH.
Revenge is from God.
Even if he had been conscious and alert when he was pushed, jumped, helped out of the window, what are the chances that he was conscious when he hit the ground. Even paratroopers have been known to black out after jumping from their aircraft during their first few jumps. For a free fall of that height, I am sure most ordinary mortals would be unconscious by the time he hit the ground.
Doc, you are right in pointing out that the foreign doctor is unprofessional. Also, you are point blank in saying that some people are trying to hide the truth and they are trying to protect the one who is guilty. How long they think they can cover up the truth? Why can’t they just let the true murderer be exposed and be charged accordingly? The longer these flurs thought they can cover up the truth, the more damage it will be inflicted onto themselves and i won’t be surprise that they will have to pay heavily at the end of the day: losing the grip on the federal guomen, a price they will regret forever. God is fair and The Law of Karma dictates.
drraffick, I agree. I find this Dr. Vanezis downright unprofessional. At the inquest he said that it was impossible for the bruise marks on Teoh neck to be due to manual strangulation. If there are bruise marks why is it impossible? He did not explain. This unprofessional dr. appears to be trying to validate MACC’s contention of suicide rather than trying to find out the truth.
He said TBH landed on his lower limbs (feet) but he also claimed that Teoh landed partially on his hands in a defensive act. How is it possible for both to be true? If Teoh landed on his feet he would have lost consciousness at the moment of impact (if he was indeed conscious) and there will be no chance for defensive action with his hands.
He also failed to explain why there was no puddle of blood around the body as is common with all suicide victims. To me this is proof enough that TBH was dead when he was pushed out.
If Pornthip doesn’t testify I think it is a foregone conclusion that there will be no justice for Beng Hock. The verdict shafted down the public’s throat will be suicide. However no sane person is going to buy this due to the absence of motivation. This case will fester in the public mind until the 13th G.E.
Dr. Rafick,
Aca just meant…., that there are no pure soul’s among human’s…, this Guy the ” Kai Loh “…., willl have some baggage to share….., just start digging.
Cheer’s.
Should read ” Kwai Loh “
dr,
what do you expect? lawyers engage by MACC to defend Teoh and not MACC? real rich.
dont worry, Doc. the spiriit of teoh will ensure that he will not die in vain. Ahmad, pray harder.
give the british bastard a few more beers and some dole, he will say that Teoh is not chinese and unable to copulate.
whats new from this crook? check out his credentials, doc.
Do you know something that I don’t know about the good doctor! He got his own website
http://www.petervanezis.com/