1. On the 2nd October 2009, the local media reported that “The mystery over the DNA of “Unknown Male 1″ found on the back of Teoh Beng Hock’s blazer has been solved, the inquest into the death of the 30-year-old political aide was told today”
2. The sudden revelation by Dr Seah Lay Hong, a serology and DNA specialist with the Chemistry Department that the DNA material found on TBH which was marked as unknown DNA Male 1 matched the DNA of road accident victim M. Gopala. She came to the conclusion after comparing the Male 1 DNA against three of Gopala children.
3. She concluded that based on statistical analysis on Malaysian Indian population, there is 99.999% probability the Unknown Male 1 is the father of (Gopala’s) three sons. From the latest revelation, it is good to know that the Chemist is working overtime in trying to solve puzzle on the ownership of Unknown Male 1 and Male 2 DNA. It is hope that the mystery of Unknown Male 2 will be solved soon.
4. The latest revelation raised a lot of questions on the original source of Unknown Male 1 and where it was taken. Based on Dr Seah testimony, the DNA material is found on the belt as well as on the jacket of the deceased. Some questions on how the jacket and the belt came in contact with M Gopala DNA when it was supposedly taken at the crime scene.
5. I read the Inquest report on the AG Chamber website. On the 3rd day of the proceedings, Dr Seah gave her testimony. In her testimony (page 35) she said that she receives 18 exhibits from ASP Ahmad Nazri on the 21st July 2009 at 250pm. The belt is labeled as item No 17 that she received. The source of materials was labeled with different reference which includes sealed envelopes from Klang Hospital, Sealed envelope PDRM No 392 and sealed envelope from PDRM forensic lab.
6. The belt came from PDRM No 392 which was probably taken by the I/O at the morgue. That probably led to the contamination of evidence. It was good that Dr Seah were able to narrow down the possible source of contamination of evidence and solve the mystery but I believe, in the eyes of the general public, there is some kind of conspiracy involves here. While solving the death is paramount importance but I believe it is also equally important for the government to regain the public trust on the various institutions.
7. It is in the best interest of the government, that an independent DNA expert that is agreeable by both the family and the government be called to evaluate the validity of Dr Seah latest finding of Unknown Male 1. This would bring back public confidence into the system.
8. With the assumption that Dr Seah latest testimony is correct, it really raised questions on how our hospitals do their post mortem which led to cross contamination of evidence. I wonder how many previous death mysteries remain unsolved due to the weakness in the morgue procedures which led to cross contamination of evidence. The hospital is responsible in fuelling people’s mind with suspicion and wasted the Chemistry Department resources. However the fact remains that the probability that TBH committed suicide is extremely very remote and there is a very strong probability that he died from the action of unseen hands at MACC Shah Alam based on other evidence found at the scene of the crime.
if the govt want to fool us/play their game, anything is possible, eventhough it is just a joke to laugh at.
“Dr Death” drops bombshells at Teoh inquest
Thailand’s most senior forensic pathologist, the renowned Dr Pornthip Rojanasunand, has dropped some bombshells at the Teoh Beng Hock inquest this morning.
Dr Pornthip is the Director of the Forensic Science Institute, Ministry of Justice, in Bangkok – Photo credit: thaitsunamihelp.org
This is the latest via Twitter from Malaysian Insider:
Court allows Dr Pornthip to examine Teoh’s shoes to confirm her hypothesis that he was dragged before falling to death.
Coroner’s court breaks for lunch and will resume at 2pm.
DPP Kevin Morais, acting for the MACC, asks Dr Pornthip to clarify definition of strangulation.
Dr Pornthip says Teoh’s death is 80pct homicide and 20pct suicide.
Dr Pornthip confirms that Teoh was alive when he hit the ground but may have been unconscious even before falling.
Dr Pornthip says skull fracture not typical of injury from fall but more compatible from blunt force applied directly to the skull.
Dr Pornthip notes round marks on Teoh’s neck could mean ‘manual strangulation’ with fingers.
Dr Pornthip says injury to Teoh’s anus caused by penetration with object before fall, based on pictures taken from death site.
Dr Pornthip gives a graphic power point display based on a post-mortem pictures to show & explain Teoh’s injuries.
Dr Pornthip tells court not all injuries on Teoh’s body consistent with fall from a height.
Dr Pornthip explains her views are based on Teoh’s autopsy report.
Questioned by Malik, Dr Pornthip says Teoh died from a fall about 6am to 8am on July 16, 2009.
Dr Pornthip tells court she has conducted more than 10,000 autopsies, of which about 100 dealt with fatal falls from a high place.
Court resumes with Dr Pornthip taking oath at witness box.
Teoh Beng Hock’s parents, elder brother & younger sister in court to hear Dr Pornthip’s testimony.
Court stands down until 10.15am to set up equipment for Dr Pornthip’s evidence, expected to last an hour.
Selangor lawyer Malik Imtiaz Sarwar introduces Dr Pornthip as expert witness for the inquest.
AG’s lawyer Tan Hock Chuan introduces UKM forensic chief Prof Shahrom Abd Wahid to sit in for back-up explanation.
Court sets up projector system in front of witness box for evidence from Dr Pornthip.
The Selangor government has engaged Dr Pornthip to testify as expert witness.
Famous Thai pathologist Dr Pornthip Rojanasunand to testify today. She worked on Asian Tsunami victims & David Carradine’s death.
Coroner’s court resumes hearing on Teoh Beng Hock’s death today.
From Malaysiakini…
Teoh’s death 80% homicide: Thai docOct 21, 09 11:16AMBREAKING NEWS updated 12.20pm In a dramatic turn of events, renowned pathologist Dr Pornthip Rojanasunand says Teoh could have been strangled while the injuries to his anus may have been caused by penetration with an object.
WTF!! Sodomy too??
Hi doc,
It appears as though the snails pace of forensic analysis done on TBHs body right after the discovery and while on the autopsy table
was a deliberate attempt to concealed tell tale signs resulting in the clueless analytical garbage adduce in the coroners inquest.
While we are well aware that in sudden death cases such as Boon Hock’s , forensic evidence is the signifying factor other than eye witness testimony that is vital in determining the cause of death and/or foul play.
But as of here, what we are made to count on as factual scientific evidence are deliberately smeared to misguide.
Both the Police forensic unit and morgue technicians are now portrayed as incompetent and turned into pawns for a seemingly ill planned cover-up attempt.
At the end of the day it will be the carelessness of a few individuals rendering the findings as inconclusive.
Keep up the good work doc , salam
Which part of the belt buckle was the dna collected from ? The autopsy table is flat while the belt buckle is uneven and the chances of the 2 surfaces coming into contact is slim – very slim.
When did Dr.Seah decided to test her theory that the belt buckle was contaminated at the morgue ? The time frame is important as it would suggest conspiracy or objective discovery. Objective discovery would be fast as after eliminating all the possible candidates which was done shortly after her investigation started, the next logical step would be to trace the chain of evidence.
If it was conspiracy then a lot of things have to happen and fall in place before it could take off.
If the belt buckle dna was contaminated why weren’t the dna on the tear of TBH’s blazer not contaminated ?
At the moment the conspiracy theory is more likely. Anyone has access to all the possible players bank a/c
?
Accident patients often bleed profusely. It’s quite probable that the careless attendants could touch the blood of one and stain another while shifting or undressing bodies.
Check the SOP (Standard Operating Procedures) manual if there is one. In addition, check for adherence.
Only 1 reason, high grade of advanced technology with low class of expertises.
I seconded that.
From time to time, we see these agencies spent the money to acquire new technology and staff being sent for training. But, to date, the result is disappointing in public view …. just traced back to the case of bringing mattress in and out of court to the present cases.
Any success in establishing “prima facie” using these technology. So, it just “must have” because other have. Anyone remember P.Ramlee’s “Siapa Besar ?” we’ll, doesn’t this the case.
dr. raffick,
So are we to believe that a govt doc working in the chemistry dept is super hardworking? Her job is just to test DNA specimens provided by the police, not to be a sleuth so isn’t it beyond the call of duty for her to check Gopala’s children for a long shot at identifying the mystery DNA? The whole thing has a ring of untruth to it.
Important STOP press for Teo BH – hopefully not forgotten here…no contempt of court but assist the Inquest to clear the doubts with investigative line of questions on latest exposures with missing important links – Could GM be killed for this case?
A lot of questions need to be answered on the two DNA
samples found on Teoh Beng Hock’s clothes.
1. Is it normal that DNA samples are done for each and every post mortem especially that of Gopala Muniam [matched] and also L Jeganathan [not matched]? Since this is 50-50 chance of matching more work on this other unidentified DNA must go on.
Dr R- Dr Seah did what is known in the medical field as contact tracing. Based on the contact, i think she narrowed down the possible place of contact and that is how the DNA of M Gopala was identified
2. Since it is a 99.9 matching for G Muniam, we have to know who is this G. Muniam who was alleged to havedied on 17 July 2009. What does G. Muniam do for a living? Could he be in the same building as TBH prior to his alleged death? We need to see the bio data of G M and his death certificate and other burial details. Can he be involved with the death of TBH?
Please read inquest findings. M. Gopala died from Motor vehicle accident on the same day and PM was done at the same hospital few hours earlier
3. Who was the officer of MACC who had initially refused DNA examination? What happened subsequently? Has this officer called to the witness stand?
Dr R-The name is hishamuddin. He will be taking the stand soon
4. Can it be that GM was killed mysteriously on the day TBH’s death was revealed belately? Where is the Police Report on GM case? Who are the other family members of GM? Where is the hospital’s report on GM?
Dr R- Please see inquest report
5. Is it true that the condition of the hospital concerned was cramped?
Dr Rafick- Klang Hospital…. Of course!
6. Is it possible that the drama has moved to the hospitals concerned against several other identified behaviour at MACC on 17th July?
Dr R- Dont understand your question
Joshua Kong
PM for IGGG
http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/114040
Mystery DNA: One revealed, one still unknown
Oct 2, 09 10:50am
One of the the mystery DNA samples detected on Teoh Beng Hock’s clothes was identified by forensics expert Dr Seah Lay Hong as belonging to a deceased male by the name of Gopala Muniam.
fuh luckily the doctor is a chinese
if the doctor is a malay for sure people will call for his head to me put on a pike and paraded while at the same time used to fortify the idea that malays are dumb assses
just looking at the little amount of comments on MT by the usual racist brigade proofs this fact.
fuh.. lucky liao..
Kau ni memang karut. Dalam komen kau, kau dah fortified the idea that malays memang dumb asses.
Why do you instigate others on your own race?
Obifiend,
I agree with you to a certain extend taking into consideration of a few commentators whom toe the line of racist brigade knowingly or unknowingly.
drrafick frequently keep reminding the commentators that comment is not same as condemnation but few heed his advice.
pelangisenja,,
You are using Dr. Rafick,,, to make judement on what others say. Hei !!!!! be a man and speak with your own toungue.
What,,,,, Dr. Rafick said,,, is worlds apart from what you understand. I think you should say what you have to say,, do not speak for others.
pelangisenja,
Lately…., so have confirmed yourself has the biggest arsehole in this forum…., please keep it up till you get the title ” ARSEHOLE COMMENTATOR OF THE NET ”
Cheers Bro..!
obefiend,
Your comments, speaks volumes of your charater…, you must be a half past six goon…educated with m.s.m. polictics.
Fuh.. lucky liao…., we don’t have many idiots like you among our commentators….., if not it will be ” Mayhem “.
Idiots like you should not be charge with ISA… ( we don’t concur with it ) but should be locked up in Tanjung Rambutan for Life.
obefiend….in future don’t just focus on one blog…., look all round you, read understand and then post your comments. If not, you would look like a racist Bigot.
Have a nice day.
The A.G, Police, Judge, SPRM and now the hospital?
rakyat,
yes,it is everybody,everyone under the sun.you are exceptional.
pelangisenja,
you forgot, it should also include you.
Hello, Dr.
All the talk about the DNA… specifically in what form is the DNA? ( presumably Bloodstains or…? )
DrR- The source of DNA from Gobala Children is either from Buccal swab or blood sample. The stain on the belt could be cellular residue. It could even be from the skin.
Some pertinent observations made, from the onset up till now, indicated that someone or some parties are deliberately trying to derail the Inquest from getting to the truth.
Dr-R. From gross observation and public perception, there appears to be some truth in your opinion.
Such as :
1. The determination to push for the SUICIDE THEORY (AG team and related parties, pathologist,etc).
Dr R- I disagree on the suicide theory. Insufficient motives and based on blood stained explanation in my earlier findings, this is unlikely.
2. The MACC Lawyer attempts to prevent evidence of the “mysterious witness” T. Sivanesan (who reported that he was beaten up during his investigations by MACC officers) from being admitted during the hearing ( was overruled by the High Court, as well as by the Court of Appeal ).
Anyone in a defensive position will do the same. This is expected. They do not want other things to come out which includes techniques of interogation etc.
3. The AG team trying to prevent senior MACC officers from being called to give statements in the Inquest.
The most solid evidence so far. I believe his DNA should be retested
4. Sudden and mysterious attempts for the need of psychiatric interviews by so called govt. hospital experts on the family members
(Even though they had already been called by the police and statements recorded).
Dr R- I am not sure why they are doing this. What is their objective. Care to elaborate.
5. The latest development of Dr Seah identification of the unknown Male1 DNA …..
after more than 2 months had passed since the last DNA tests done on all the witnesses !! Time needed to look for a “SOLUTION” ???
Dr R- It takes time.. my gut feeling tells me that this about right
6. Another puzzling point. From the 1st day of the Inquest, about 90 people names were submitted as witnesses.
Why AG lawyer Mr.Tan is selective in deciding which witnesses to attend, and which NOT to attend ?? Shouldn’t ALL witnesses be called ??
Dr-R I believe some witness of value and others may have nothing to offer. Gobind is also given the rights to pick and choose witness.
What next ?? Witness not available due to sickness, accidents, and whatever can be thought of..??
For the record, a period of 15 days were set for the Inquest to be completed from late July. Now is already October.
Looks like in for a long haul ….
One nagging Million$$ question — why are certain parties trying to prevent the truth from being told ??
YOUR GUESS AS GOOD AS MINE
Ale,
I believe you are a Doctor just like Drrafick,….you just want to fortify your apprehension. Good !…., it gives more colour to this forum.
For me ….., I just wanted to watch this from the sidelines since I know nuts about medicine……., but I feel just like the both of you that ” Our Guess Is As Good As All The Other’s ” , So God Bless Us.!
Hi, Balasi.
Didn’t expect any feedback on my comments or rather queries. Dr.rafick was kind enough to respond.
Hey, don’t lah appoint me as a Doctor…Not qualified, lah!
(In fact, never study biology or health science before…cos educated in technical subjects).
Sometime back, remembered someone said I’m a lawyer in response to one of my comment !!!
By nature, always had an inquisitive mind. Not sure-Ask…No Ask-No Answer. That’s me.
Hope above enlighten you.
Have a good weekend..and don’t drink all the sea water surrounding Penang, Ha Ha..Joke lah. Cheerio!
“She came to the conclusion after comparing the Male 1 DNA against three of Gopala children.”
What makes the good doctor do so much work to take such a long shot? IS this the normal behaviour of govt doctors who are normally overloaded with work? Very, very hard to believe.
Dear William
Dr Seah is not a medical doctor. She does not work in the hospital. She is a chemist at the Chemistry Department. You can read her background at the AG Chambers website
From wikepedia this is the standard procedure for an autopsy. For full details see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-mortem_examination
“After the body is received, it is first photographed. The examiner then notes the kind of clothes and their position on the body before they are removed. Next, any evidence such as residue, flakes of paint or other material is collected from the external surfaces of the body.
Once the external evidence is collected, the body is removed from the bag, undressed, and any wounds present are examined. The body is then cleaned, weighed and measured in preparation for the internal examination.
If not already within an autopsy room, the body is transported to one and placed on a table.”
—————-
So it is clear that the body is stripped of all clothing and cleaned before being placed on the autopsy table. How then did the DNA from an accident victim on the autopsy table get transferred onto Teoh’s clothes? Another case of Malaysia Boleh?
Dear Ken
Sorry to disappoint you but based on my experience in malaysian morgue, what you describe in wikipedia are not followed to the tee.
I quote what you wrote
“Once the external evidence is collected, the body is removed from the bag, undressed, and any wounds present are examined. The body is then cleaned, weighed and measured in preparation for the internal examination.
If not already within an autopsy room, the body is transported to one and placed on a table.”
The cleaning of the body, undressing, external examination and internal examination are all done on the examination table in the morgue
Dr Rafick,
I know you are a very analytical person, it was your ‘ CSI findings ‘ that had led me to your blog. Ever since then, I will
not want to miss any of your articles.
The mere fact that Dr Seah’s testimony on 1 of the mysterious DNA belonged to Gopala, I , like many others, already can safely conclude that she is part of the team in the play. Can you believe in such a coincidence ? and what an irony the DNA belonged to a dead man,
Leong
Despite my explanation of what Dr Seah said in her testimony, the tingling sensation in my body that Seah still needs to play ball.. just like everyone else. This is one sensation I cant shake..
Cartoon on Died in Custody is available now. Thanks
I truly symphatised with TBH’s family. Not only they have
to bear with the great pain of losing him in such a tragic manner, now they have to witness helplessly with their eyes wide opened, how Teoh’s cause of death is being manipulated or played up.
To come up with such a laughable testimony or revelation, the government is taking us as big fools.
Shame on you Dr Seah!
Well said, Leong. This is like a rape victim being raped again by law enforcers when she goes to make a report. See how Teoh’s family members and friends are made to go for psychiatric test to determine Teoh’s state of mind. The whole conclusion is veering towards suicide. What an injustice to Teoh’s family.
Dear Leong
On what basis you doubt Dr Seah
drrafick,
We have reached a stage where we doubt every single person who is in the police, macc, ag chambers, chemist department and the pathologists.
We don’t need evidence. We just don’t trust them because we don’t trust the government and these people work for the government.
Even an honourable person can be threatened to tell lies.
They will send Dr Seah to hell if she refuses to play along.
This is a big cover up and I don’t need evidence because evidence is being suppressed.
Even Mr Tan ( the appointed DPP) is acting strange now.
Sam01
In sincerity I told someone power recently
“In God we believe”
In government we trust
The government must earn the people trust
Leong/Ken,
i don’t understand why Dr Seah should be shameful. She only carry out her work.She did the DNA test on the item provided to her. First of all she is not the one who collected the said item from the deceased at the scene.
i really don’t understand you people.
pelangisenja,,
Where credit is due, you deserve. I was having the same doubts. Leong/Ken are also inquiring, not only on Seah’s findings but, the other lingaring facts that do not jive, which is where it comes to,,was there any fault/cover up/misappropriation of facts, by the investigating officers, which is nothing uncommon, when there is a lost of trust in the blues…………
pelangisenja,
This is where the the lingering questions start afloat.
It is also the the the point that you don’t understand other people….., but get yourself plugged.
See what I mean? Now it is open season for jokes against Malaysia’s public institutions.
http://themalaysianinsider.com/index.php/opinion/breaking-views/39266-an-important-task-before-reporting-to-policemacc–george-aeria
OCT 3 — With the periodic reports in the press of people dying while in police custody or at MACC premises, it would be wise for all Malaysians to do the following should they be called in to give statements as a witness or as a suspect for any crime. The recommended actions are as follows:
1. Determine at which station you are required to give your statement (as witness or suspect);
2. Immediately proceed to any other police station. Do not go alone — go with a friend, preferably a lawyer. You just can’t be too careful;
3. At this other police station, make a police report stating that:
i. You are currently having no problems (social, personal, business, financial, etc) and do not intend whatsoever to commit suicide (e.g. perhaps by jumping down 14 storeys just to see if you can fly or because of too much questioning throughout the night) while in the police/MACC premises;
ii. You are of good health and do not suffer from any chronic disease or injury that could cause a (or actually your) sudden death;
iii. You have no bruises nor swollen organs before going in to give your statement. In short, you have a clean bill of health;
iv. That should you be found dead in the lock up or while in custody or anywhere in the premises of the police/MACC — to please suspect foul play;
v. That you want to leave the premises of the police/MACC once it is past 6pm and if you do not leave, that means you are held against your will in the said police/MACC premises where they are “taking” or “making” your statement;
4. Upon making the said report, to give a copy to your lawyer friend while you keep another copy in your top shirt pocket;
5. You and your friend must now part company and go separate ways;
6. Only then should you proceed to the police station or MACC office to be “interviewed” by the police/MACC interrogators;
7. Upon meeting up with the police or MACC interrogators, immediately hand them the police report from your top shirt pocket and tell them that another copy is with your lawyer. (Make sure this lawyer friend is no longer with you at this point; otherwise no more copy-lah, as he too will be “called in” to give his statement.)
Now all the above is so important as it is all done in the hope that they (police and MACC interrogators) will be “nice” to you and thus you are able to leave the premises in due course on your own steam (walking out by yourself) and not be carried out in a body bag or taken on a stretcher to the hospital ICU. — aliran.com
Azhar,
8. and when you are charge in court immediately cry conspiracy and get the entire prosecution team disqualified.
9. if your lawyer lost your case then he is either on the take or conspired with the prosecution.
10. until you see a criminal walking freely and doing his daily core without hindrance from any one,then justice have prevail.
pelangisenja,,
Para 8, 9 and 10 as you describe are from, like Kata Kini said bigots like you.
pelangisenja,
I pity the teachers who taught you from Primary One to Secondary School….., they would have to forgive themself for producing a IDIOT like you.
Forget about your ….Uni…days, ….they taught you none.
pelangisenja
I am confused as what your stand is. For a lowly educated fellow (as you professed), you are certainly confusing and a smart ass. Is it suppose to be a joke, sarcasm or it is just plain you?
Anyway, salam from my other half. BTW, any form of indiscriminate killing is wrong; be it here or anywhere.
Kata Kini,
w.salam
indiscriminate killing is very wrong an inhuman.
rules of engagement must be adhered.
Dr. Raffick, you have assumed that the DNA from the belt in sealed envelope PDRM No 392 was taken by the I/O at the morgue. Is there any documentary evidence to confirm this? Even if we grant that the swab was taken at the morgue, was it done at the autopsy table?
What is the procedure for an autopsy, is the body fully clothed when it is placed on the autopsy table or are the clothes removed first? As a doctor you may be able to shed some light here.
Isn’t it a little late for the police to be taking DNA swabs at the autopsy table instead of at the crime scene to minimize possible contamination? What is the involvement of the police here as the body has been handed over to the hospital?
Besides, the DNA came from the inside of the blazer and the inside of the belt (correct me if I’m wrong) so these are not likely to be contaminated by DNA on the autopsy table.
I think it smells like a cover-up, doc.
Ken
(1) You need to read the inquest proceedings at the AGC to tie all the pieces together.
(2) The I/O collect the belt and clothing from the hospital and then sent to Dr Seah
(3) DNA testing was not done at the morgue but at Dr Seah lab
Dr. Rafick,
Yes ….doc, but how was it contaminated inside the blazer/ belt…..and not outside.
Dr,
Am at a loss for words, looking at the comedy scene unfolding before our eyes.
Seriously, for a case of high public interest, one is really dumbfounded for the serious missteps that the macc, pdrm, chemist dept, ambulance services etc etc have done. All at a loss of public trust and perception towards those said bodies.
1. A witness of the macc can be ‘lost’ within their office for so many hours without anyone’s notice?? Unbelieveable.
2. From the time the body was ‘discovered’ on the 5th floor till the time the body was sent to the hospital, many hours had passed, to the point that the body was in early stages of decomposing when laid out on the coroners table. Why the delay?? A deliberate attempt to hide certain ‘clues’?
3. The statements made by the macc directors & below on the suspect, the case, their ‘investigations’, everything to try to absolve guilt?
4. Now, more sickening revelations…
The contamination argument does not fly with me, though its possible but highly unlikely in this case.
Five questions on the mystery DNA debacle clouding the TBH inquest http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=6778953884&topic=10852
Dear Vijay
I am reproducing the questions that you post on your facebook. I will try to answer them
Now for the questions that come to mind : -
1) Why was not more care taken to prevent contamination knowing this was a high profile case ? or was the pathologist already presuming suicide as cause of death ?
Dr R- The job of cleaning the morgue table lies with the morgue technician and not the pathologist. Obviously someone did not follow procedures. Some people is taking the easy way out.<
2) How could accident victim M.Gopala's sample find its way to Teoh's blazer, are not all cadavers naked on the autopsy tables , let alone wearing blazers ?
Dr R- The body was placed on the table and it was unclothes there. This is a normal procedure. Dont compare on what you see on fictional TV programs.
3) How did they obtain Gopala’s DNA samples for a match ? Seeing that the theory was only promulgated recently (mooted by Dr Khairul Aznam Ibrahim ) to idenfy the unknown DNA.If my presumption that Gopala is a Hindu is correct, his body would have long been cremated, I could understand if Gopala was a murder victim, but for what purpose would a pathologist store samples of a road accident victim ?
Dr R- I have explained this in my article on para 2 and 3. We are talking about cellular technology here. The DNA was compared with Gobala children.
So how did they obtain Gopala’s sample for a match, or for that matter 2nd accident L.Jeganathan that did not match ?
Dr R- Same as above
4) Why was Dr.Saravanan who had done autopsies recently transfered to ENT (Ear, nose & Throat) a specialized field, a chat with some friends from the medical fraternity told me that though this is possible, it is highly unlikely.
Dr R- Really. can you tell me which hospital and which dept. I can verify
5) The DNA sample on the belt which till now yielded no matches – why was MACC Selangor Deputy Director, Hishamuddin Hashim allowed to give his DNA sample in private while others had to do so openly in a meeting room, this is very disturbing more so when a mystery letter surfaced accususing the Deputy Director of having the habit of pulling at the belts of interrogation subjects,this has been brought up before details here http://bangmalaysia.wordpress.com/2009/08/20/the-mystery-letter-the-mystery-letter/
Dr R- Agree. I am waiting for Gobind to grilled seah and Hishamuddin on this matter.
If indeed the letter is malicious the Hishamuddin should have no problem giving samples again before all members of the inquest in presense of an independent serologist for comparison, nothing less than this will remove doubt.
Dr- Agree 300%
I am sure there are many more questions, but I hope above are also pursued by members of the Inquest.
Vijay Kumar Murugavell
Just shows how work bad work procedures are at the hospital if what she says is correct.Tidak apa attitude same like the police DSP for the BA traffic issues. They think they are not appreciated cos their are working so hard and everything they do is correct. How many people can go to jail cos of bad work procedure at hospitals like this? also it seems DNA can be planted. what about Anwar’s case which seems to revolve around DNA and not that the hole has been penetrated although for sodomy that small hole has to be penetrated.
so overall the UMNO/BN led govt has very little credibility and the civil servants doing their bidding for their political masters, takes our country down the drain. an independent DNA expert, sorry no way they will allow it.
Rocky
You are right. The credibility of the investigator, hospital, chemist is at stake here
We starting to see some of the “professionals” in our civil service to either exhibiting gross unethical behavior or really incompetent.
Then again, why do these people worry about credibility, it’s just “cari makan” attitude. Isn’t it not, in this country, those who play balls and the incompetent, gets promoted while the others get transferred or move somewhere to a greener pasture.
nxforget,,
How about sharing something new. Did it happen that they are trying to spur,,,,, Nano-Technological Theories ,,,,,, which is so minute and sophisticated,,,,, that they would need reasons to buy,,, Highly Sophisticated Test Bench Machines, to do the investigation of DNA.
A Felonious tactic to convince the,, Finance Ministry to purchase some more of these machines. UMNO/BN has lost the Milking Cows,,,so,,,,there has to be another means to snoop money,,,, out of the coffers,,for reasons known to them,,,,or,,,,, may be also we.
dr amrit,
I’m saying this based upon of the revelation in the gross error or poor procedure over the case. As this involve only one or two persons, it seem these professionals takes things much lightly. But, when there’s pandemic or epidemic, these professionals can just do an excellent job. Look at how they handle the JE and Coxsackie that once hit us.
Now, I wonder what happened to the virologist who help save the country. Was he well rewarded or just another retired person.
Finally, while many among us may hate BN/UMNO for milking the treasury, what difference are we then if we could not adhere to the ethical standards or procedures.
nexforget,,
I will take your que from ETHICS and raise a hypothetical question.
Having read so many controversies due to faulty, controvesial investigations and judgements passed ,,,,, how would we be able to satisfy our needs, of a truthful and honest opinion, for our ears and eyes in a majority capacity, but is hampered by a handful minority.
Professionalism is an acheivement, honour, dignity, pride, trampilation, joy, victory and it is a standard bar or bench mark set, to be surpassed by our future generation.
Unfortunately,, when these so called “professionals” in the government service, who are evaluated by professors who are Palagarised by Palagarism, are they not going to generate pandemics or epidemic, as what xerox machines do.
I leave it to you,,, may we have the satisfaction/pleasure of sharing our intelligence on this blog.
NOTE:
DOES ETHICS PREVAIL IN MALAYSIAN CONTEXTS OF, PEOPLE GOVERNANCE, LEGISLATURES, JUDICIARY, ADMINISTRATORS OF LAW, MONITORS OF CHECK AND BALANCE OR,,,,, ARE ALL THESE PILLARS,,, A FARCE,,,,,,, FOR THE PREVAILATION OF MINORITYS GAIN.
Dr Amrit,
I still have the believe and had found a few there are good and ethical people among us, be it within the branches and outside the civil services. It so happen that in the circumstances in our topic of discussion, these people do not surface that, at times, frustrates me.
Yes, I look forward to the thoughts, intelligence, and wisdom from the contributor of this blog. May we, in our own way, make this place a better place to live.
xnforget/ Dr. Amrit,
We all need more of this intellectual discourse the both of you had….BRAVO….. this is R2W, keep it coming and thank you Dr.Rafick.