1. Though the issue of Hassan Ali and his antics has been going on for a while, I had decided to stay on the sideline because I wanted to hear the pieces from everyone. His latest comment and attacked on SELCAT even receives UMNO Selangor backing. While initially he appears to be going against SELCAT and after tremendous pressure he claims that he is merely raising the concern on how government officers were being demonized by SELCAT.
2. About a week after PR won the state of Selangor, I wrote an article on my blog under the heading “Clean strategies to continue winning the peoples heart – Part 1” which went online on the 20/3/2008. In that article I highlighted the importance of the State Government in refocusing its goal on the people, enhancing the professionalism of the state government machinery, improving public relations between the state and the people, maximizing ROI on the state assets and the most importantly the Formation of the Good Governance Commission (GGC).
3. I shall reserve my comments on the many issues that have been raised in the above said article and for now I want to say a few words on my suggestions on the formation of GGC. Maybe in the initial stage, someone in the Selangor Government read my blog and decided to form SELCAT which essentially embodies on what I had written about the GGC.
4. Outright, I must say that I support the formation of SELCAT but it has not really met my expectation of the formation of GCC. It appears that SELCAT was formed to dig up dirt that has been buried by the previous government as well as to show the people how dirty some BN office bearers has been. This is a fair thing to do. After all BN has been attacking PR from all corners using all available government machinery. My expectation is beyond what they are doing now. I expect them to push for good governance. This has not been reflected in SELCAT agenda.
5. Hassan Ali real intentions are only known to him but I must say that I am extremely displeased with his methods of raising issues. What he has done is actually weakening the non Muslim support for PAS. Some of my non Muslim friends now begin to question the validity of the slogan “PAS for all”. This goes without saying that it is affecting the stability of the PR government.
6. Hassan Ali needs to learn the meaning of being a team player. A well oiled efficient that shows a cohesive front always ensure that everyone wins. Unfortunately he is looking for a solo victory as if this is a 100m race. I am not sure what is waiting for him at the end of the 100m line.
7. On the GCC, it is time that SELCAT expanded its membership and it structure. It appears that SELCAT has BN members as well on the committee but this is not good enough as the BN reps tends to be quiet and not cooperating in asking the right questions. From what I gather during the hearing, the PR reps play a prominent role. SELCAT is a double edge sword; if it is not used properly it will cut oneself.
8. I say it is time to enhanced SELCAT into a GCC with the aim of enhancing governance. In the process of enhancing governance, certainly all the wrong doing will be dig up. GCC needs to be given the proper powers, immunity and accessibility. It needs fulltime machinery that can investigate as well as prosecute those who had stolen from the state.
9. Within it, there must be a check and balance system. While there can be a state representative in its organization, GCC must bring in talents in the form of investigation experts, technical expertise and prosecution experts. What is the point of raising issues in the DEWAN and then says that SELCAT will leave it to the police and MACC to investigate. It only shows that the PR government is not serious in cleansing the system. Let me reinforce what I have been saying repeatedly before. The Selangor Government must behave as a government. If there are no laws, create the law and then act accordingly.
Mind you. The residents in Bukit Utama does not like him.
Congrats From a non-disciplinary military zero to a hero aiming to be the next in line to replace Azmin and competing with some guy who was already designated.
Dr. Farrick,
Can you be more precise with your comments…., you leave us hanging……., like our buah peleh…, hope you are still around to answer.
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NEWS FROM MALAYSIA TODAY. HASAN ALI’S JAW CLAMPED
Mais spell out who can speak on Islam in Selangor
Posted by admin
Tuesday, 29 September 2009 21:26
(Bernama) – The Selangor Islamic Religious Council (Mais) has drawn up guidelines on issuing public statements through the media on Islamic matters in the state.
Mais chairman Datuk Mohamad Adzib Mohd Isa said all public statements related to issues involving religious administration in the state and all directives to religious officers and mosque officials could only be issued by the Mais chairman, Mais secretary or the director of the state Islamic Religious Affairs Department (Jais).
“Any other person wishing to issue such a statement must first get the approval of the Mais chairman,” he added in a statement issued here today.
Mohamad Adzib said the Sultan of Selangor, Sultan Sharafuddin Idris Shah had given his consent to the guidelines which were applicable in the state.
He said there were five religious authorities with jurisdiction over Islamic religious administration in the state, namely the Sultan, Mais, state Mufti’s Department, the Syariah courts and Jais.
EDITOR’S NOTE
This basically means PAS (Hassan Ali) should shut up.
The problem with Hassan Ali is :
1) He is a Publicity Seaker.
2) He is an Executive Councillor of portfolio, which is not
prominant to Rakyat at large and Media at all.
3) He has been left in the lurch or on ice.
4) So, his sudden outburst are his way, of seeking attention
or announcing of his presence.
5) A man with aggrieved jelousy, because his counter parts
in PAS Selangor are well respected and accepted, by Rakyat
and Pakatan Rakyat.
Thats him and he should learn, how to refrain his jaws from widening or to be clamped by PAS for PASs Safety.
Doc ,
You have among your commentators, persons who are vindictive , going for other peoples’ throats , as if they are angels and better than thou attitude.
My point of giving an analogy of the family is that if ” kena patang hidung sendiri ” or to your kin , will you sing a different tune, no !
Can’t we all have a good heart . In trying to improve and in making a systemic change in the attitude of the civil servants can’t we do it in a way that we do not demonize the purpoted wrong doers, go for a witch hunt but instead making opportunity for them to toe the line. Yes , we have to be strict and a reward and penalty system in placed but act in a compassionate way is a better way , I think.
Sincerity, honesty, willing to go the extra distance to help others without expectation in return is not beyond us to exemplify.
Are we commenting for the sake of commenting. With the advent of internet writing is now cheap, no !
The civil servants are here to stay and no amount of bad mouthing will make them disappear. Reconciliation ( cara pendekatan) is the best way and every opportunity given them to turn a new leaf . By all means take drastic actions without fear or favour if ignored. Civil servants must work like a professional and not play politics.
Dear AK and others
(1) I understand your argument and always prefer people to put forward rational comments.
(2) Many still cannot differentiate between Comments and Condemn. This two are 2 end of a very long pole.
(3) If you watch the SELCAT proceedings on http://www.selangor.gov.my which is available on line, I believe HA has exagerated the matter and the MSM played it well… as usual
Ak,
very wisely said.
pelangisenja,
Out of context….., kena kaji keseluruhannya.
AK,
Agree with you dengan syarat.
Vindictive means revenge and you said we are after other peoples throat……, who’s throat bro?
Analogy of a family – if your family is involved …..lantaklah,
he deserves it tak payah sedih, ” Padan Muka Dia…., dulu tak sedardiri”.
AK,
Truth should prevail at all cost, ” biar mati anak….jangan mati adat ” SELCAT proceedings should be done in the open for all to see.
Truth shoud prevail at all cost, and it cannot be done in closed doors unless….you condone wrong doings and want to be a privy to it.
This should be blasted over the country so that everybody can see and hear and digest the truth. These wrong doers should face the music.., so that it becomes a lesson for others.
AK,
Your so call comments C.S. ” Here to Stay “…….boss, this little Napoleons have tasted honey for decades ….it will take a few decades to change them…., if you use the term, ” Sedar lah Abang “, / ” zaman dah berubah ini ” ext. ext….., menang kitalah yang tunggu mati.
Time to tell them off, Time to seek the truth….& to tell them ” Berani buat Berani Tanggung “.
Whoever you mention in your comments…., is not after your throat….., it’s just that you perasan saja.
Ak,,
You delivered your point across well. It could have been misconstrued by some.
Hey!!!!! Look at it this way,,,you have respondants. I write withdead ends messages,,,,,,,, as compared to you, who give open ends and an avenue for discussion.
Keep it going man.
By the way just a curious question,,,, You did not complain about this “going for your throat or being vindictive” to HASSAN ALI,,,,,DID YOU?
Say something against others and you will be branded racist; say something against your own, you will be branded traitor. Wow… no wonder, “we are, what we are”. This also probably explains why Mahathir and RPK are not that popular.
Strangely, in today’s climate of our country where it is sickened with corruption, pollution, and whatsoever; we still believe that what we think (our thought on certain subject) is right and correct. As AK had said it rightly, the ‘holier-than-thou’ attitude. As being mentioned before, we are bias in our own ways, and we may at times gone overboard. But, with some ‘sensible’ commentators, we are able to have a good discourse.
Generally, people ‘condemn’ others due to few reasons:
1) Trying to solve a problem but lack of tact.
While talking about the problem, they may exaggerate a little. Nevertheless, the motive is mainly to get an idea across. It may be inappropriate, or in a way that may leave negative ‘feelings’; but the intent is not hateful.
2) They want to discredit others.
Their motive is to instigate, or felt that they must defend or glorify themselves. It is said that people who talk maliciously are really ‘terrified’ people. They may need to manipulate others to feel safe.
3) They want to be accepted, so they will talk about it to make themselves feel better.
Very straightforward.
It does not matter which category we fall in. The point is that we must be honest to ourselves on what our real intent would be. When we are being ‘too honest’, we can come a point of being ‘blunt’. The scenario is akin to asking ‘sensitive question’ during our kelas agama or in a meeting, where we put the ustaz or the boss in a ‘tight’ position. Malaysians are still far being able to accept criticism; and we are usually in a ‘state of denial’. It had became part of our identity. Take a good look at ourselves.
Frankly, hypocrisy is as odious as racism; probably worse. The biggest problem thoughout the history of man is the fact that racism is anything but an anomaly. If you have a point, spit it out; and elaborate. We can agree to disagree.
katakini,
keep your date open on the 24/10/09…., will contact you later.
Balasi
OK.
Kata Kini,,SSA,,
Wooehhhhh……You can trust this fellow, simply you said OK to him. Did you ask him whats it all about.
Latest news,,,, Kamunting is almost empty,,compound very big but rooms very small.
Sat Sri Akaal Dr ji.
It’s just to keep my date open. Nothing much to fear. Anyway, am always game for anything.
This Balasi is getting a table (for 10) so we can belasa(h) one another (no pun intended, balasi). Wonder what function it could be. Hopefully, it is not a post-Deepavali celebration. Anyway, good curry is coming our way.
Kata Kini,,
He outrightly rejected melahhh. He did not ask at all. Send me an email and said “Dr. Sorri ,,, I can’t take to many people, 10 only and I have to find Bo Derek to join into the picture. This is what he has done to/with me.
I leave it to the council to decide on this.
Sats trikal ji
Cha chu pio..
Adab Ji,,
Dood Wali chalay gee.
Dr Rafick Ji,, Adab Ji,,
The 1st time you acknowledged me, on this blog, with this version of “Sat Sri Akal”, was and is correct, and it was I who responded to you, with the wrong spelled version
My apolozise.
Dr. ji.
I think other few in the Ministerial positions will be really pissed with him on this. You know how sensitive we are about being invited, and being seen rubbing shoulders with the impotent and influential people. I am okay with Bo Tetek being there; it’s his call. Dia punya peruntukan, biak dia jadi boss loh!
As the Information Minister, maybe there is some information that needed to be communicated. You know bila boss panggil make yourself free, you should do so.
However, this Semi-value wannabe had blurt out something that you may be attending, please refer: http://rights2write.wordpress.com/2009/09/29/bagan-pinang-election-serving-umno-members-or-serving-the-people/#comment-7581.
Kadang-kadang saya jugak pening sama dia. Better check with him.
Dr. Amrit/ Kata Kini,
Don’t get yourself pissed off for no reason…, even if it’s just to let of steam. You guys have not performed to even get 0.1 on your KPI score cards. Please perform for the well beign of the rakyaat. If not next term Berambus.
INFO:-
Dinner Date : 24/10/2009
Venue : Che Hoon Khor Moral Uplifting Society Hall
Macalister Road, Penang.
Table : Look for R2W….., it will be situated next to the toilet for easy using since…., u and amrit know why.
Let’s belasah on that date and would love having both of you there.
Regards.
balasi,,,
You wont get any readings for your, KPI at all. Koh Tsu Khoon is having a headache.
What time to be in the hall?
Balasi,
Currently could not commit myself as yet, but will keep the date as priority. Will keep you update.
Anyway, Aneh, ada halal ke ?
Balasi
On the KPI, me and Dr. Amrit is negotiating with the relevant stakeholders to ensure our KPI will meet your ‘standard’. The issue in question is the ‘price’.
Dr. Amrit
In accordance to our Malaysian culture, any time that is suitable to you. Alternatively, say plus or minus 2 hours of what Balasi suggested.
Then again, I would suggest, say 6 o’clock (in the morning). They said, “Early birds get good worms”.
Balasi
Looks like I have to give the 24/10 a miss as I have a function that very day. I could not miss this as the visitors are from overseas. Anyway, would be nice to be able to sit down with all of you.
Kata Kini
Dr. Amrit,
Time : 7.00pm
please bring your melaaah……, or whoever., Katakini.., no problem….allways got next time.
Dr. Amrit,
Time 7.00pm,
Please bring your melaah….or whoever you want. Kata kini…..no problem.
Dr. Rafick
Your suggestion of pushing for the Formation of the Good Governance Commission (GGC) is certainly an excellent idea. Along with it, the State government should conduct educational programmes on the responsibilites of the local authorities. I believed that some problems are left unattended because there are over-lapping of responsibilites between the respective authority and the local council. By having this information communicated out, the locals will be more aware of their rights, including their responsibilities as a resident of that area.
When policies are in place, it is only time that will lead to better system and governance. It is envious to see how our neighbouring country, Singapore is doing it so well.
Tok Lupa,
very true indeed.
Tok Lupa,
Tuan Speaker,
Saya SETUJU !, but apart from that…we need a select committee for all EXCO’s…., they should comprise a Pengerusi, Setiausaha and 3 AJKs. They should be from all parties in the D.U.N.
Their primary functions should be to assist these EXCOs
i. Scrutinize the role of these EXCOs
ii. How they should interact with the local authorities.
iii. Study the projects they intend to implement and to voice their concern if there is negative impact.
iv. How they utilize their budgets…..,
v. To whom this project is awarded to…., and if all procudures were adhered to.
vi. make sure that they toe the line at all times.
Tuan speaker…., bolih tambah lagi jika perlu.
Minta Izin untuk berundur. terima kasih.
Some say there were too much force used in the Selcat sittings like using a hammer to kill an ant type of argument.
Frankly from what I read, these DOs are either ignorant of good governance or are just not suited for the job that demands all the uprightness in a person.
Why should we rakyat settle for these type of low bred low self esteem people to run our civil service? Are we so culturally corrupt that we can’t stand up to the pressure of refusing to do something that is wrong?
Civil servants in Malaysia always have it good. No amount of wrong doing can have them sacked but only transferred.
To those who say that Selcat must be more tactful, try working in the private sector. With these type of wrongdoing, these civil servants will not only get the sack but also a case brought against from failing in their responsibilities probably CBT for abetting in the commision of fraud!
aiyo/others
(1) For those who are not clear on how does SELCAT grilled the DO’s, you can visit the selangor govt website and click to the selcat link You can also write to web admin to request for a copy of recordings
(2) I think our DO is too “manja”.. tak boleh tegur sikit pun
Doc,
Congratulations, you have passed 800K and hope more ‘kau,kau’ articles to push readership pass 1 juta !. You will probably wished this was $$$ ?
The real culprit in this whole episode are the BN aduns who rushed to spent their allocations and in the process sometimes hookwink the public by using the money for their own purposes. The civil servants ( DOs ,acting DOs and ADOs ) are supposed to be the gatekeepers to these public funds. However some of them did not do their job properly and should be held accountable.
The SELCAT hearing is still on going . Hopefully the DOs especially Klang’s keeps a cool head and continue giving testimonies. It should not be a witch-hunt but to find chinks in the system of state administeration. Then new rules and regulations need to be enacted. Old rules re-enforced. Training and education of officers to be reviewed. PDRM and MACC should go after those crook ex-Aduns. Maybe each current and future Aduns needs to come up with a planned budget on their allocation spendings ,rather than the current haphazard way of spending the money.
At the end of the day the rakyat benefitted by being better served. “Merakyatkan Pentakbiran Negeri Selangor”
Siapa yang buat salah, dialah yang rasa pedas or kena malu. Kill the monkey to create fear, why not or else Maharajalela macam little napoleon kalau tidak terbongkar.
Do rakyat still want THIS type of civil servant to serve us? Do we??
Wave33,
Fully support you. Such Civil Servants or Public Servants, should behave as Civil Servants and not Government Servants or Kaki Tangan Kerajaan, to be Boot Polishers of Politicians.
Dr. Rafick,
” Congratulation’s “, you have surpassed the 800,000 visitors mark….., it’s a matter of time you surpass the million. Cheers to you and your family….& fellow commentators.
I’m just feeling HIGH, hope you are feeling the same.!
Yeeee haaa
drrafick,
can i get some facts about the so called rm 500,000 delevopment allocation yearly for adun’s respective constituency.
1. do all adun irrespective of whether they are ruling or opposition get the same amount?
2. do all the adun used up the allocation within two month?
3. if the allocation used can be accounted for eventhough within two months, is not ok then?
4. how about all the adun and mp’s (ruling or opposition) in other states, is the scenario same?
pelangisenja,
I would love to answer you…, but I feel in this particular scenario…, I will leave it to our Dr. Rafick.
I’ll take it from there, and we can both debate this as responsible citizens. Good night.
(1) The annual allocations is only given to BN adun. In areas where the ADUN is from the opposition, allocation is given to BN ADUN in other areas and they will “adopt” this opposition playground.
(2) I believe it was used up completely before the election
(3) I believe, the speed of spending is not really important but HOW (were procedures followed?) it was spend and on WHAT they were spent is important. It is also important that the money were use for development and not for pre-election campaigning.
(4) I believe SELCAT will address this matter soon
drrafick,
thank you.
i thought all ADUN irrespective of their political standing gets that allocation.
it will be interesting if we can get some info on how the ADUN’s in Kelantan use their allocation within the two month prior to march 8 GE.
it can be a positive comparison.
Dear Dr & other commentors,
Asia is today at the crossroads.
Where in the past the excesses of the ruling parties were tolerated and deemed a necessary evil for whatever reason; but today, even the highest Heads of Government are being held accountable for their actions and/or inaction when in office.
This can be seen recently in Japan with the fall of the ruling LDP losing a landslide loss to the DPJ after 54 years of unopposed rule. In Taiwan, after an 8 year rule, the ex-President Chen has been sentenced to life in jail for corruption, while his wife was jailed even before he stepped down from the post. Korea has seen a string of ex-presidents and their cohorts being dragged to court on corruption trials cumulating with the suicide of ex-president Roh who had won the presidency on a ‘Mr Clean’ image but later investigated for corruption & bribery.
It is yet to be seen if Malaysia is ready to move forward with the rest of Asia and the world towards such demanding standards.
Azhar,
What you said is bound to happen anywhere in the world…,because God has his way’s of doing things…., you can see from the sikap tamak that our so call guys have…, it’s just a matter of time.
We don’t know if god has change the mindset of the rakyat to a point of no return……, if so then we can all wait and see this happening….., .
Then we can all say aloud ” Malaysia Bolih ” !
Azhar/balasi,,
The Japs learnt a bitter lesson in WW2. The beauty is, they accepted the defeat with honour and dignity,,,knowing the risk was advertanly high and mighty. They assimilated themselves to reality and facts. Just like their bowing of posterior seemed, awkward to other parts of the world.
Japs showed mellowness and humility, for the wrongs they did.
When the might of Economic Power was in their hands,,,can u imagine the others started to bow, their posterior in return to Japanese Style. You notice how the Japs turned the world attention on themselves and yet did not scrooge on the world.
In Malaysia “never because “ARROGANCE HAS BEEN THE PRACTICE OF BN GOVERNMENT MINISTERS, WHAT DO YOU EXPECT FROM THEIR DOWNLINE GOVERNMENT SERVANTS”.
INCAPABILITY TO FACE THE TRUTH , IS HASAN ALI’S CONSPIRACY , HE WAS FROM THAT SYSTEM.
SELCAT is doing what it has been set to do, by the State Legislative Assembly. It has the combination of both PR and BN members. You can’t hold any anyone of them , accountable or unaccountable for , participating and not participating in the questioning to acheive , results that have been a BAIN to MOVE FORWARD , in the Administration of Selangor State Government. The Aduns are answerable to the Selanor People and not to Civil Servants.
In order to stop or stoop or change the procedure could lead to confusion. Selangor Rakyat has the right to know, what these public servants are doing, to ensure the Tax Payers are being rightfully served and their Taxes not abused.
Abuses of such nature by BALKIS , RM 24M Khir Toyo’s house , Disneyland extravenza and so on , would never have been brought up , had SELCAT not been there.
As far as civil servants are concerned , they are subjected to disciplinary action, for anything they do is/was wrong. Unfortunately the “Malay Government Service” has been hoodwinking the Tax Payers by posting or transfering , unscruplous Civil Servants , for every wrong done by them, without disciplinary action being taken. MSM has been preventing such news from being exposed from Tax Payers Ears.
Hasan Ali is one of the breading insects of that Government Service, that is why he said ‘Dia Nak Bela Melayu’.
Which Melayus is he talking about?
The Rakyat(Melayu+All) who stand for truth and justice for the Nation or he stands for the UMNO Melayus who cover up , every required information needed for the Rakyat attention.
I am astonished reading blogs at times asking myself, if the rakyat is aware how does “Intereaction and Interelation Operating System between Rakyat , Government and Civil Service, Exists. If not , aware than it is the fault of MSM in Malaysia , to have kept the Society at Bay and Closed Their Doors from Information. MSM always gives news , Favouring Government and Their Servants , while the Rakyat is given the message of , Pressume that the Government and their Servants are doing a Wonderful Job.
SO HERE COMES SELCAT OF PAKATAN TAKYAT GOVERNMENT, TO OPEN THE RAKYATS EYES.
‘Congratulations and Celebrations’ Cliff Richard.
Dr. Amrit,
Feared something good happen to you….., like getting married the second time without your first wife’s knowledge…….., you know…, like disappearing without a trace like A.W.O.L.
By the way wellcome back.
Dr. Amrit, the words you use might be just to powerful to comprehend, for guys like me…., anyway good article.
Cheers Bro…, free on the 24/10?
Dr.Amrit.
Does Amrit sk2512…., sound anything to you.
Please respond.
balasi,,
24/10,,,whats uplahh machan.
No marry,,,, only go and meet meri (mine),,,,than many storeee,,,,,,in the moreee.
balasi,,
Englis,, is a,,,,,, funi language,,,,, I walk englis,,,talk englis,,,and I leave englisman behind.
Woiiii ,,,,,,,, Bollywood Dialoguelah.
Sorry,,,,,, I will try to keep it at rakyats level.
Wait a moment pelangisenja is thoughly,,,,,,,, thinking where to snooke me.
Moreee = hole
Dr Amrit Sekhon,
don’t worry lah, i won’t snooke the moree.:)
pelangisenja,,
Worry,,,,,, I am not.
(hole),,,,The other word is Meri 
(mine).
Very good,,,,, you learned two words a day. Keep it up. Moree
Let’s say your wife or children had done terribly wrong. Do you advise while scolding them in private OR are you the type that wash dirty linen outside.
We are all human and had erred in the past. Have a good heart , be compassionate and always allow opportunities for everyone to redeem and correct his/her mistakes.
I bet your wife and children will run away if you keep on harping of mistakes done in the past . You are better then thou attitude will lead you no where !
ak,
i agree . witch hunting at the end lead to the hunters.
walking the talk means walk forward.
good governance is what we are doing at present not what we dig up the past.
lets differentiate a family issue and one that involves tax payer and civil servants. if we can’t then we have a problem. I think the civil servants are overly sensitive and seems beyond check and balance. they are civil servants and if they are unhappy, start their own family business and believe me, we will not care if they screw up their own family business. They can give UMNO/BN any amount if money from their pocket, we do not care.
Selcat is good cos civil servants will think twice before handing out money be it to PR or BN!!! That is the good thing that will come out of this.
rocky,
selcat role is noble no doubt about it. but in carrying out their role maybe they overlook their ‘questioning manners ‘.
nothing wrong if selcat do their noble tasking that
comply with certain level of ‘protocol’.
Ak/Rocky/Pelangi senja
(1) I find the comparison between a domestic matter and SELCAT is not a fair comparison. It is like comparing Grapes and Jambu Batu!
(2) Hassan Ali has change its tune on SELCAT from initially attacking it and says that it should not be done and then to the need to have non political member and latest he questions the manner the questions is being asked. Basically HA has been changing his arguments when he is being pressured.
(3) In trying to establish the truth I think it is fair for SELCAT to ask, questions in any manner it deem fit.
(4) The person being questioned must understand that he is being question in his capacity as the office bearer and not about his personal matter
(5) Obviously those who are weak and has not been doing their job fairly according to the rules cannot take the pressure.
i agree selcat should be tactful but should not stop from asking tough questions.
AK/ pelangisenja.
Don’t bring in wife story or witch hunt……., we are talking about RM 500,000.00, abused within that short period.
It’s our taxpayers money and not your wives…., so please be a bit logical when you comment. Hang ingat duit ini jatuh dari langgit. PODAH!
Are this so call civil servants …, seconded by the PSD…, to the state government & districts so stupid that they don’t know the basic principal and S.O.P. to administer.
These guys deserve the BROOM.
balasi,
many time you are using word like father in law and today wives. i wanted to use vulgar word to described your attitude but since i still have some respect and thinking that you don’t really mean it so i refrain myself. please take note.
ok, back to the issue in discuss. can anybody out there can give us some clue how Tok Guru Nik Aziz government which rules Kelantan for twenty years deal with his DO”s.
maybe that grand old respected holyman can give some light how to go about when dealing with civil servant and the DO’s.
pelangisenja,
I thought you were a matured commentator…, when AK…quotes wives and you tambah sokong …, then the reply comes to both of you…, faham….orang pandai..
I don’t mind if you want to use vulgar words…., it could be your daily norm… or practice…, go ahead.
Let off steam bro….., kalau nak berlazak emak ke bapa aku lantak jalah….., yang padan muka kau bukan muka aku…., tak erti faham komen orang….., minta penjelasaan.. jangan jadi P/B/S/ Cheers Bro.
pelangisenja,
Let us take this question to TOK GURU himself since most of Pas youths post their comments in Dr. Raficks Blog….., It might take a day or two…you will still get an answer if not in this forum ..another one I promise you.
AK,
Redeem……, you said so……, want to redeem pawned jewellery in a Pawn Shop….aslo need to show face..
Half door, memang betul……., but when you come out of it ……, even a idiot will know why you were there.
Cheers AK.
balasi,,
Some one in this session brought up the word ‘QUESTION MANNERS’ and ‘WITCH HUNTING’.
Nothing gets someone like YB Teng or any investigating officer(IO) irritated, when the questions he/she(IO) poses for a reply, are being derailed, by the answering party(DOs).
YB Teng and Gang knows, there is a set of procedural accounting system and SELCAT is to seek information, to determine the truth, which happened to be in the possession of the DOs. Teng or any of the SELCAT team, are not or never were or have been, DOs at all.
SCOPE OF WORK or JOB DESIGNATION, has been allocated to DOs, in their LETTER OF APPOINTMENT. DO works with in the frame work of General Orders. If the DO is out of line, he/she becomes accountable for it and is subjected to Disciplinary Investigation.
HASSAN ALI (The Insect) IS FULLY AWARE OF THIS PROCEDURES.
As we notice the BN Aduns, are not called up 1st, because they only received the money, prepared and signed out by DOs, within accorded responsibilities and duties. Therefore,, the money is not sieved or stolen but, if the DOs could show proof well and good, BN Aduns can be charged, like Khir Toyo’s case. Should the DOs fumble in their records than, Bingo Rakyats Money has been misused, by the DOs.
Only when the DO has reveilled the true information can, the BN Aduns be put under questioning or reported to MACC.
As far as the BROMS were handed over to Government Servants, does that not tinkle a bell in all brains. That is, the BN were aware that Government Servants have been fooling the Publics Finances but, BN Government did not have the GUTS for the TRUTH TO BE RECIELD. PAKATAN RAKYAT GOVERNMENT OF THE RAKYAT DID IT,,,,BRAVOOOOOOOOOO.
If anybody here is saying adat resam melayu, sopan santun melayu or budibicara melayu,, I say stick it up,,.
Almost All Melayus have been taken for a ride, by these PHILOSOPHICAL ETHICS, being drummed by BN Aduns and MPs, ultimately enriching themselves and making MOST MALAYS Poorer by all these traditions and cultures.
Why do BN leaders play this tradition, culture, sopan santun, adat resam game with the Malays.
Simple analogy,,all the BN members are not keturunan malaysia. They are from other parts of world. Indians who came long ago had their Anthropologcal Ethics(LAT was very fond of his Singh Master(Guru), Pakistanis had theirs, Arabs or Iranians or Indonesians or Sulewasis or Siamese, the whole region around here had their own practices.
So, BN is mix blendding(MOULINEX) it and applying, the one that suites them with religion as the MINYAK PELINCIRAN.
SO THE BOGGING QUESTION IS,
WHAT HAS ‘QUESTION MANNERS’ AND ‘WITCH HUNTING’
GOT TO DO WITH THE SEEKING
OF TRUE INFORMATION
FOR “PREVENTION OF CRIME”
IN THE FUTURE, BEING ARGUED.
ALL RELIGION SAYS “SEEK THE TRUTH”.
Raffick,
Though I have been spewing my wrath around the blogs over the Selcat issue with that Hassan Ali, somehow I do concur with your suggestions with the GCC. However, I also understand Teng’s points of view on the setup of Selcat. Selcat is a select commitee selected by the Legislative branch.
We need to refer to the precedence & standard practice of parliamentary proceedings. Members of Selcat must be made up of state legislators. Perhaps, Singapore parliament is one good example. Get nominated legislators (non partisan ) in state assembly, then asking them sitting as the member of Selcat. It would do the trick.
Singapore style Nominated MPs, the brainchild of LKY…..Thinking of strategy of prolonging the longevity of PAP by giving what Singaporeans want……Alternative non partisan voice without strong challenge towards the government of the day…….Sorry for the diversion
Ooops, I am really getting tired…….I would continue with this discussion further on the idea of your GCC
Legislative branch should act as a check & balance. In short, we need 2 commitees. One with legislative, the Selcat & the Other with Executive, GCC. One identify with the weaknesses & recommendations (Selcat). One look at recommendations, come up with policies, implementing them (GCC) with Selcat acting as a feedback. Selcat is like Quality Assurance. GCC is like R&D…….Being an engineer me see things very different
Know why Teng says nothing worng because it’s really nothing wrong. Teng preside Selcat based upon standard parliamentary practices…..Tradition, Precedence, most imporatantly Constituition.
Raffick,
To me, it takes Dua to do the cha cha cha…..By the way, Teng & the gang ain’t stupid…..They do have a gang of advisors around……There should be…….
Raffick,
On another note, I would advise readers to watch Yes Minister & Yes Prime Minister. Though they were sitcoms, there are lessons to be learnt……..I love this part…….
The Opposition is the opposition in exile but the Civil Service is the opposition in residence……Watch Big Brother or Question of Loyalty…..You will love it
loose74,
You started very well, but half way down you took such a sharp detour….., you got me loss down the line.
Anyway…., this is my line, I hope Dr. Rafick will not feel offended., loose47………,please leave Singapore alone…, we don’t need our citizens to get infected with ” H KIASU ”
Basically any country that wants to progress like you say loose47 needs to understand the separation of powers for it to be relevant…, if not we can just stay and be a third world country with a first class mentality through our rear. RIGHT?
Balasi,
Well, we just need to keep our eyes open. Nominated MPs are just like Senators. I am responding to Raffick’s recommendation of expanding Selcat in terms of membership. One way would be is to have nominated MPs, non partisan
Singapore’s idea of having Nominated MPs there highlighted in my comment is entirely my opinion.
Balasi,
There is nothing to be Kiasu. There is nothing wrong to adopt good ideas from other countries. Deng Xiao Peng said, Be it Black or White Cat, the one can catch good mice is a good cat.
My comments are pretty mild. Responding on the issue at hand.
Balasi,
Rafick’s idea is to transform Selcat into GCC. It’s like a 2 in 1 shampoo. To me, Selcat should there as it’s. Teng Chang Khim is right. In fact, it’s in line with legislative practices
I can go further of adopting another Singapore’s parliamentary practices. GPC. Group Parliamentary Commitee……From there, potential Exco or even Ministers can be spotted.
in short,
1) Selcat -> Identify Weaknesses, Recommendation, Feedback
2) GGC -> Policy Formulation & Implementation
Balasi,
Advise you to watch these collections of sitcoms. Yes, Prime Minister & Yes Minister……
You love them
Loose47,
Thank you sir,
I will try to watch the sitcoms.
Doc,
Read all the previous feedbacks below and everyone had very valid points. I like AZHAR’s comment .. “gomen servants ,for too long insulated from being answerable to bad decisions they made”.
Friends , remember this is the first time in the history of our nation, we such a thing called SELCAT. It is good if civil servants and those who hold public offices fear attending such open hearings. The fear will makes them perform their job properly. The public gets to know which person, civil servant or department that performed well or otherwise.
If we did not dig the dirt how are we to learn from past mistakes , for we did not see the actual dirt ?. It is like “accident investigation” seen on ASTRO. We must know the details ,the what,where,when, which,how and why of corruption and power abuses. With these informations we are able to prevent or minimise them.
Hope in the future there will be a MASCAT ( for M’sia CAT) for the federal level.
Foo
There is PAC at the federal level
Dr. Rafick Ji,,
PAC is closed doors and tamely functionable.
foo,
if you say MALCAT on the same terms as SELCAT. Live telecast than its,,,,,, Roger N Out.
Dr.amrit Sekhon,
Yes telecast live for all to see. We in Malaysia are too polite at times, keeping quiet when things are wrong, our rights get trampled on.
Remember recently how the CEOs of the ‘Big 3′ car giants of US were shamed when asked whether they flew in their private jets to attend a congressional hearing . The hearing was held because the car makers were seeking huge bailouts from the US government. We are able to witness this because all the major international networks broadcasted it live.
PAC is Mickey Mouse compared to SELCAT.
It is being telecast via the Selangor government web TV
Dr. Rafick,
Just see how it’s done by the Select Committee to investigate shortcomings in the U.S. , no doubt we hate them we can still assimilate what they have,
inorder to correct our so call administrators.
Not all of our administrators deserve to occupy the seats that they sit on.
foo,
if fear factor will make the difference, then show them the masalam building.
pelangisenja,
No…., show them Batu Caves.
Wisdom is the key word for those of you bloggers.
Mohamed Anwar,
Your name reminds me of a Prophet in the Middle East.
Wisdom is doomed when abused,
Wisdom is related to honesty, truth and dignity,
Wisdom rhymes with the majority,
So it cherishes in every heart, when we practice it.
SELCAT has all the rights to inquire the DOs over the miss handling of the allocations. At the same time the DOs has all the rights to have all sort of feeling and emotions. We the rakyat has all the rights to know the truth about our tax money and express our expectation and view.
My view is this, SELCAT has all the reason to ‘hina’ the behavior and performance of the government officer, senior or junior, and they are all the same. Every time they were put on stage, such as witness for trials, they behave like clowns, only then you get to know how they performed their duties in government.
When their performance and ethic are being questioned they get angry, hello! This is not your private company, you are accountable for our money (is our tax money, who care if that is your personal money). If the officers cannot do a good job and nobody can criticize their work quality, they still behave like little warlord. They have trying to be king for quite a while, is time to wake them up, is time to talk a little bit of accountability!
Is not the person being ‘hina’ in the first place, is their lousy performance, sikap tidak apa, sikap tak tahulah, being ‘hina’, understand that crying baby! DOs.
BTW, either SELCAT or GGC, with those bunch of crying baby and big mama Hassan around, we are heading nowhere. They have been too comfort with NEP. By now, we should starting understand “Ketuanan” thing after all is a curse and not a blessing to the country.
Awang bahaya
1. Read here on SELCAT role – http://www.bernama.com/bernama/v5/newsindex.php?id=335497
2. I believe many people failed to realized the issues here which includes:
(a) Hassan Ali wrong actions includes
(i) creating opportunity for BN to attack PR
(ii) questioning the way SELCAT conduct itself
which then equates it as questioning the Malays
(iii) not behaving like a team player
I still cannot understand why Hassan Ali needs to defend the DOs at SELCAT hearing and demands that it be done behind closed door?
That’s the problem – doing things behind closed door. It gives the impression that wrongdoings can be ‘kaotim.’ Just like the way BN works.
As a public servant, if you have done no wrong what is there to be ashamed of?
But if you have misappropriated funds, do you still think you deserve the chance to save face?
Come on, if you are in public service and cannot stand close scrutiny for your actions, then what kind of public servant are you? How do you expect us to trust you?
Instead you should welcome this opportunity to prove yourself – that you have indeed done your best and stood the test.
And so, if you find the heat too strong in the kitchen, please get out of it. Public service is definitely not for you.
Markky
(1) I agree on public hearing. The law is very clear that all sessions of the house is open to the public. Selcat is no different
(2) In the case of the DO, it is quite obvious that
(a) Either he does not know his role and responsibility
as DO or he is too scared of BN politicians or he is
in cahoots with the BN politicians.
(3) SELCAT is not questioning the Malays. It is questioning the inept capability of the state government administrators
(4) As a government servant, they need to understand their job as per the SOP, Circulars etc. They should respect/fear those written rules and guidelines and not the politicians. Sadly they are more scared of the politicians
Dr. Rafick.
On your point(1), nobody should dispute.
On your point (2), Not everybody knows that every civil servant has a ” FAIL MEJA ” .., this incorporates, procedures, laws, norms, adhere to latest policy changes…to keep their respective portfolios running..,
that’s basically good governance. …, So this guys were actually BN dogs.
On point (3) you are right again.
On point (4) ….you have to address it to ” BIRO TATA NEGARA ” …..this guys so are the main reason this country of ours is so ” SICK ”
Cheers Doc.
Nobody really know what is on the mind of a politician. They can be saying one thing but doing something different. It is interesting to watch Hassan Ali. Is he in or out? We will only know at the end of the tunnel, whether we will see the light or might be never able to get out of the tunnel because Hassan Ali might have blocked the tunnel with a big rock.
Kinki,
Don’t worry…, we now have the means to clear ten kilo metre of track …in a tunnel ……., so be assured we will surely get to see the light at the end of the tunnel.
Please join us in this trip if you are free, Kinki.
Cheers.
Dear Dr,
I agree with you that Datuk Hassan Ali’s real motives are for him only to know.I however question his timings and methods..it seems calling a Press Conference always work better to him than closed door discussions..also again this latest SELCAT issue is raised just before a critical by election for PR just like the beer issue previously when it is clear under the current law in force (no matter how much we disagree) alcohol regulation is a Federal matter(please refer article by PAS lawyer Hanipa Maidin).I cannot see how SELCAT can be termed as bullying civil servants when at stake is the rakyat’s interests which should be placed way above the vested interests of a select few.Datuk Hassan Ali’s silence on the cow head issue is also deafening..as Exco Agama, he should have at the very least issued a statement to condem the intolerant an unIslamic actions of a few Muslims instead of conviniently leaving the 2 Khalids to bear the brunt.Datuk Hassan Ali..your actions and inactions are definetly making us smell a rat!
Syed
You have said it clearly.
Dr. Rafick / Syed,
I totally agree with the views that both of you have concurred. But……., what both of you should relish is Tun’s statement that this joker requested RM 1m. for him to obtain his doctorate….., ( no one touched on it ) but, it was reported in the MSM.
Syed,,
RELIGION AND POLITICS SHOULD NEVER BE MIXED.
FEDERAL CONSTITUTION NEVER SAID THE OTHER RACES TAX MONEY WILL BE USED TO PIT OFFICIAL RELIGION AMONG THE RACES.
Can you apprehend the agony, of mixing Religion into Politics. It is difficult to either religious worshippers. When veiwing Hasan Ali’s deafening on the cow head issue, does it not boil down to you and me, being of different religions, okayy, voting for the same Adun from the same constituency,, okkkayyy. While he favours Islamic religion but he ignores Hinduism?
Hellooooo ADUN Hassaaaaannnn,,What happen to your speech, ‘Saya akan menentukan pandangan yang sakama, untuk pemilih saya’
Heii!!!!!! Hasan Ali,,,, what happen to my vote whcih, across the board, is to be fair and justifiable.
MALAYSIAN HIPOCRACY,
BY MALAYSIAN POLITICIANS
ON MALAYSIANS
Dr. Amrit,
My late father once said that he and fellow PWD workers contributed towards the construction cost of our National Mosque……., I don’t know if it’s true…, but can anyone out there confirm this.
Please respond……., time to take this nation back to the era of the sixties & seventies….., where we were all colour blind.
The SELCAT bruhaha is a spin by the MSM. So much negativity to make Hassan Ali into a villian/hero to PR and BN. PAS has a loose canon in Hassan Ali and no different in likes of Jeff Ooi for DAP. A check & balance of sort ! Politics would be dull without them and their comments on any issue can be beneficial when viewed positively.
To move forward there must be positive thinking/action while cleansing the system. I am an advocate of amnesty and looking back as a reminder as to what had gone wrong, learning from mistakes and not repeat same.
Yes, SELCAT must refrain from digging dirt that has been buried by the previous government and demonizing BN leaders and government servants. That is in the past. Let’s move forward with good governance today and in the future.
ak.
wisely said.
do we have a double standed here.?
the other day we wanted a witness or even an accused person be given every rights under the law as well as to be treated humanly during any investigation by any authorise body.
we fought fiercely and pinponted all the wrongdoing and seek justice when officers of an investigation bodies go overboard in carrying out their duties.
but today when someone who are in the same boat pinpoint and say that there should be a SOP of a short for the selcat when conducting an inquery or investigation, everyone are starting to jump and badmouthing the man.
is it that bad to ask for a SOP for selcat?
what’s wrong going to the MSM? after all everyone are advocating “openness”. aren’t we?
*i am a preacher, i do not practice*
pelangisenja,
If you make a mistake as a Civil Servant due to your alliance to a certain Political party….., & then find them kicked off…, you would then have to pay the price for
” COLLABORATION “.
Selamat Hari Raya…, Men. Kew.
balasi,
only civil servant have to pay for “COLLABORATION”?
how about those ‘grand’ POLITICIAN who are advocating democracy on a new platform after “COLLABORATION” for decades with their former?
pelangisenja,
If you have any Buddist or Indu friends…, they will tell you a tale of 12 years cycle x 5. ( its not a formula ) but just thinking about it can kill your brains.
Another cycle of one particular planet took of on the 26/10….., lets wait and see the fun …., there was such cycle during the reformasi…., ( my brother says so, I would need to confirm.)
” COLLOBORATION ” is actually a crime if a crime is committed….if not is just sharing of ideas and ideals,
that you and I share in this forum…, I hope so.
Any lemang and rendang to share.?
AK,
For the record, Jeff Ooi has retracted his statement & clarified his action. As for his feuds between Mr Khoo Kay Peng, it just died off. Anyway, though Jeff is so called Chief of Staff for LGE. Officially, he’s not a Penang official.
As for Hassan Ali, he can comment whatever he wants as long as he’s a mere adun but he’s an Exco. Collective Responsibilities apply here
Ak,
How can you tell SELCAT not to dig your nose …..when you have drained its resources to the brink….., if only the rakyat had given you another chance….., you would all have put Selangor D.Ehsan on “DRIPS”.
Cheers UMNO BLOG.
Correction…., should be 26/9.
It’s true that SELCAT is a double edge sword. If Pakatan Rakyat is not careful enough they might allow BN politician to use it against them. Maybe they should incorporate some more credible BN leaders to join the committee such as TengKu Razaleigh and maybe some private sector professional that’s not tainted by corruption. Also, they might want to include DAP leader such as Tunku Abdul Aziz. We must not allowed anybody portray SELCAT as political witch hunt.
Anak Malaysia
Even while Selcat is under the control of PR, it can do harm to them. They dont have to wait until BN is in power
Dr. Rafick,
Is it because of the frogs……, or can it be due to DUN PR leaders hilang daratan…., I don’t know!
But I would put it plainly as DUN TAK SEDAR DIRI.!
Doc,
i learned that some govern officers met Dato Hassan and complaint about Selcat ‘interrogation’ . They told Dato HA is their only hope because he is senior Malay exco in selangor . Maybe the way he raised this issue just to show to the rural malays that PAS is not a tool for DAP as labelled by UMNO (19 majo. malays DUN are from UMNO) . But i also agree that this will also weakening the non Muslim support for PAS.
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H.L. Mencken once wrote:
“The government consists of a gang of men exactly like you and me. They have, taking one with another, no special talent for the business of government, they have only a talent for getting and holding office. Their principal device to that end is to search out groups who pant and pine for something they can’t get and promise to give it to them. Nine times out of ten, that promise is worth nothing. The tenth time it is made good by looting A to satisfy B. In other words, government is broker in pillage, and every election is a sort of an advance auction of the sale of stolen goods.”
Gomen,
Thank god you reminded me……, it was just like I was dreaming……BN Concept….a known fact. Tunnggu Lelong.
whoops, got cut off before finishing up
Hassan Ali needs to work with his Exco colleague or within the State Assembly instead of just holding press conferences and whacking em.
Not sure I expect mature statesman ship from him tho or many other reps
I do wish our YB Khalid Ahmad wld have a sterner leadership approach, but its a learning experience for all of them I guess. and it’s not easy when u have to battle those who are supposed to be working for you or the state govt, kan?
we def need a more competant, less politically entrenched civil service.
I agree in part with Azhar. If they have done nothing wrong, and acted according to the law, being asked to appear before SELCAT shouldnt be an issue. (at least they wont be “flying” out of a window any time soon
).
Its time they learnt that an efficient civil service comes from check and balance, a sense of responsibility.
There’s so much buried under the BN previous govt (everywhere) which affects people now or in the future, the corruption and double standards etc.
Hassan Ali should come up with a workable solution instead of just hitting out all the time, as you say, he’s
Dear Dr,
I agree with you.
The government servants have been functioning like the masters of the land for far too long. And for many decades, they have been insulated from being answerable for the bad decisions that they have made. So much so, that it is even trumpeted that “malay institutions” were threatened when the rakyat questioned actions like the MACC & Polis custodial deaths.
If they cannot take the heat, then get out of the seats! Give the job of running the districts to more accountable and competent people.
drrafick,
para 9 food for thought.
Azhar,
Since Dr. has not replied you yet ….., let me share some so call facts.
i. My friend a indian Tech in PWD,….trained so many malays from junior tech….., untill he was reporting to one of them.
ii. Che’Lim,….a teacher in STARP…in S.B. , taught so many malay teachers and students…., untill he had to report to one of his students in PPD.
Many more….save it for next time.
Azhar,
Some even think only they can run the country. Including the present chief secretary. That fella is a smart though. Hmm……..Reminds me of Humphery Appleby
Once Pakatan got into power, they would face the other opposition.
“The Opposition is the opposition in exile but the Civil Service is the opposition in residence”
loose 47,
That was not a loose cannon you fired ….., it was from a AK 47. Anymore to share.