1. Firstly, my apology if the term “Orang Ulu” that is used in the header sounds insulting to the people of Section 23. It is not meant for all residents of Section 23 but only to those who took part in the disgusting and barbaric demonstration that took place between the Mosque and the SUK building and carrying a cow’s head. It is also intended to the father of the child that allows his son to participate in the demonstration. For the rest of the article the term of “Orang Ulu” is specifically meant for them.
2. Some may be wondering why I called them Orang Ulu despite living in “Bandaraya Shah Alam”. I use the term to reflect their mentality and ignorance that resulted in their actions. In a “Bandaraya” where internet is easily available, their knowledge about the law and Islam does not reflect their address. Even as a child they might have not been adequately educated by their parents and schools, certainly they could read from books and from the internet and deepen their knowledge on what is right and what is wrong.
3. Firstly, I cannot appreciate the concern on the “Orang Ulu” as they have not put forward a reasonable argument. Instead they to the street in such a despicable manner and insulted the Hindus just to have their voice heard.
4. I cannot comprehend the argument that was raised by the Residents Association Deputy Chairman that claims with a temple on their residential area where they have 90% Muslim; they cannot function properly as Muslims. They claims that with the temple will disrupt their daily activities like prayers in the Surau. This is the most ridiculous argument that I have ever heard.
5. Firstly, the whole of Peninsular Malaysia is about 60% Muslim. Does the RA expect the non Muslim to take to the sea to practice their religious rights? The entire population of Shah Alam is predominantly Malays. I am not sure how many in terms of percentage but no matter how many percent the Malays can be, the law of the land is fair to both Muslims and Non Muslims.
6. If they do not have any respect for the law of the land then they should at least respect the law laid down by Allah in the Quran and Hadith. No where it is mentioned that Muslims have the right to deny the non Muslim to practice their faith. Islam thought us to be fair against the Non Muslims.
7. Maybe the Orang Ulu can go back to their respective Ustaz and confirm the story of Prophet Mohamed first migration to Medina where he brought peace to the various factions of different religion. It teaches tolerance and acceptance. How come the “Orang Ulu” does not know this and understand it?
8. I urged the other residents who disagree with the actions of the committee of Section 23 to stands up and to be counted. We, the Muslims and the Malays must reject this kind of ignorant attitude. Not only that I expect all political parties on both sides of the political divide to stand and be counted. I expect nothing less than that from PAS leaderships.
9. In the best interest of Malaysia and it is citizens, I think a policy must be made and enforce on this matter. I urged the government that in the future, where there is new development land must be made available for the building mosque, temples and churches. No religion in the world force their people to do bad things. All religion promotes positive values. They must be located side by side. The space for dead must also be made available side by side.
10. The ignorant community at large must be educated on simple matters like this. It is very sad to know that in country like Malaysia where Islam is being propagated by the State and Federal Government has failed to inculcate the basic knowledge and values of Islam for the people who called themselves Muslims. A good Muslim will protect its rights and at the same time accommodate the weak and the minority.
11. Hassan Ali, I want to hear your views on this. I heard Dato Dr Subramaniam claims that Najib has also express his unhappiness over the issue but I have not heard him saying so openly. I am not sure I can trust this Dr Subramaniam fellow! For the Hindu’s I thank you for reacting rationally and have shown tremendous patience over the matter. To the “Orang Ulu”, I suggest they try to practice the first word of Sura Al-Alaq, which is Iqraq that carries the meaning read (or recite)! You can start by browsing the internet and search the history of Islam and Prophet Mohamed and learn a thing or two from it.
Watch the “Orang Ulu” in action!
I don’t know If I said it already but …Great site…keep up the good work.
I read a lot of blogs on a daily basis and for the most part, people lack substance but, I just wanted to make a quick comment to say I’m glad I found your blog. Thanks, 
A definite great read..Tony Brown
Just Rember what happened to Uighur, Malbari Mosque Issues. That is not “lembu been slaughter” but human ( muslim) been slaughter.
Who dare to talk about this massacre????
Orang Ulu? These guys are not even fit to be Orang Ulu! Let’s dedicate the once famous song “JUNGLE PEOPLE” to this group of barbarians!
Suddenly, it struck me that there is a very suitable song for these people! Remember the once popular song “JUNGLE PEOPLE” …. Oh Jungle People, we are happy people….. !!!
can somebody tell me who or what is this Search the web.snap.com and why my nick has change few times above?
Dear drrafick,
i would like to request for your permission to include your blog in my blog’s link list.
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Title: Is this the way in MACC?
Thank you.
Best Regards,
Bob Lee
Bob lee
My pleasure
Dear all
Let us do a simple project. Can anyone take pictures of mosque/temple/church that is located side by side and send it to me. I will then update it on my blog. Maybe this pictorial method will send some effective message across those people with thick skulls!
Better still if they could provide clips where Malays speaking chinese, Indians speaking chinese, Chinese speaking Indian.
Ahoy…
Tok Lupa,
Are you talking about this one?
watch until the end lol.
Good grief, my suspicions confirmed after all !
The hidden hand…?
For those not updated, go:
http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/111805
Be prepared for more, folks !
Dear all
Found the following website by chance. It carries the chronology of events involving the temple in Section 19 from year 2000 till today.
http://pewarisummah.blogspot.com/2009/08/kronologi-aduan-masalah-kuil-seksyen-19.html
doc, if i am not mistaken in klang a mosque ,a hindu temple,a couple of churches and a sikh temple are very close to each other. no problems here.
I even saw indians and malays rest in the temple at klang
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In my hometown a mosque, indian and sikh temple lying side by side since I was a kid. No problem at all because everybody respect each other religion. After so many years the mosque and the temples still there and the difference only each of the building have been renovated gradually to accomodate the growing nmber of the people. Basically if we respect others, they will do the same to you.
TQ
missed out the word “care”
psc,
We all use to sleep in the suraus, temples, kuil while hitch hiking during our teens……., don’t know whether …..teens now days practice this.
Those good old days…., when they even take of our makan.
The two forces in the world that can control a human person are religion and money. Nobody want to suffer poverty. Give them money and alot will even sacrifice the values for the comfort that they think money can provide. For those who are not attracted to physical comfort, give them religion, which will control their mind. It is mental comfort to know that everyone is like them and they are saving people around them. Both ways, one is been controlled.
Good morning to all.
With reference to Merdeka celebration, this clip just touched me…so meaningful.
(Teary eyes after watching it).
Why can’t our people live in peace with one another ? Why incite hatred or ill feelings ?
Bless you all.
Ale,
a big thanks to you.selamat hari merdeka.
Dear Readers
There appears some resentment by certain quarters on the usage of the phrase “orang ulu”.
Some even asked me to remove it. I will address this matter once and for all and shall not explain this again as it has been explained many times before.
(1) The phrase “Orang Ulu” does not refers to the ethnic group of sarawak . The term orang ulu is a name by itself.
(2) The phrase “Orang Ulu” does not belong to the sarawakian. It is a common phrase that is use in the peninsular especially in the kampung lingo in the northern region where I grew up.
(3) The name Orang Ulu does belong to the Sarawakian
(4) People who lives in the kampong’s knows this meaning very well where it reflects stupidity, “kurang akal”, “kejahilan” and many more. If you open Kamus Dewan, you can find a long list of things that is associated with the phrase “Orang Ulu”. It is a metaphor that is used quite extensively
(5) If some readers cannot differentiate the meaning of phrase “Orang Ulu” and the name Orang Ulu, then I suggest that you do some reading and research the subject matter. Educate yourself a bit more before writing any further
(6) It does not reflect well on you, if you dont know enough to differentiate the two and keep harping on the issue.
Trust this clarifies. If it does not, I cant help you any further. Again, there is no insult intended to the ethnic group Orang Ulu of Sarawak.
dear dr rafick,
perhaps it would be better if the term “Orang Ulu” isn’t used in this case since using the upper case for “O” and “U” actually refers to a specific ethnic group in Sarawak. this ethnic group comprises mainly Christians who have absolutely nothing to do with the demo. since i’m from northern peninsular, i understand the term “ulu”. this blog, however, is open to the internet community worldwide. as such, readers from outside the peninsular may misunderstand the connotation of “Orang Ulu”.
do not wish to split hair about it..
Dear Doc,
I will buy that.
Le meilleur……..Doc..!!
Cheers
SimoneK
Simonek
Merci beaucoup….!!
Doc
Ne pas mentionner et ne donnez pas facilement !!
Avec vous tous les moyen et prendre soin !!
Cheers
SimoneK
Doc
Don’t bother to explain to thses illiterate goons. They are overly sensitive because they could not understand well. So, pardon them.
You have express yourself several times and these nincompoops still don’t get it. Maybe they should get a dictionary.
Doc,
Read “the myth of a moderate Malaysia” url-http://themalaysianinsider.com/index.php/malysia/36474-the-myth-of-a-moderate-malaysia.
Unchecked, the condemnation and our own approbation of the stupid incident can be wrongly interpreted and can lead to generalisations such as catergorising ALL Malays are like the 50 bloody fools.
The danger is, may spinners will do just that, that genuine and legitimate fears and anguish of the Malays are trivialised and worse still, ignored.
Sir, you knew the existent of ‘Orang Ulu’ a native group from sarawak and you’ve been there with your helping hand, thanks a million for that. I just couldn’t understand why and how you have the idea to use the ‘Orang Ulu’ term to describe the ‘’barbarian act of people Section 23. It is your choice NOT to use or TO USE the word of Orang Ulu’ in your article. There are a lot more choice of word you can use instead of Orang Ulu’.
Although, you clearly mentioned in yr point #1, For the rest of the article the term of “Orang Ulu” is specifically meant for them. However, point #2, are full with your definitions and perception of ‘orang ulu’.
Now, may I on behalf of all my relatives from sarawak, ask you kindly remove the term of Orang Ulu and your definitions of orang ulu from your article. I do appreciate and recognized your good deed in your article except the usage and the definition of ‘Orang Ulu’
I happened to see this in U Tube. Am not sure who the director was but it certainly is thought inspiring. Have a look and think deeply about the message…
Dr Rafick,
If u feel u want to put a stop to certain comments.., u should just say so…., but not to the extent of closing off all the time when one want’s to post…., sedih doc, why must 404 appear all the time i lock in to comment.
Can u comment.
Dear Balasi
Thank you for commenting. Just want to let you know
(1) The error 404 is not due to any action on my part.
(2) I too face such problem when commenting Trust this clarifies
Doc R via blackberry….
Doc,
Thanks…..sometimes I get worked out when it’s so difficult to post a comment.
Balasi
Relax la bro.. I know it is quite frustrating when the page is down. You should blame the connection; usually the culprit. Do you know what is the most frustrating time? It is when you have written several para and the page somehow refreshed itself. Well… I definitely won’t be blaming Dr. Rafick.
Kata kini, Thanks.
Hi drrafick.
I appreciate your article on “those who took part in the disgusting and barbaric demonstration that took place between the Mosque and the SUK building and carrying a cow’s head. .” Good write-up. BUT I disagree you to use the word “Orang Ulu” to refer them. That shows that you’re insulting us as orang ulu in one way or other. Why don’t u use a better term for it?? Rather than you use Orang Ulu??? I am one of the Orang Ulu of Sarawak and we are mostly Christians and we are kind hearted and friendly people. We make friends with other races, of different faith and respect other faith!
Kindly take this out and change your term on “Orang Ulu”. Thanks.
Dear Sir,
As claimed, you met our people of orang ulu in Sarawak. Then you should have known better that you shouldn’t used the term of ‘orang ulu’. Of all the term, you pick that? Why not just ‘the people of Section 23′. We feel that it is very2 offensive, no matter how much you want to deny it after. A true malaysian know of other community that populated the country, and should be more responsible, considerate and courteous. Penuh dengan adat ketimuran, and that is what we want to keep…Thanks in advance for being more considerate in future..
In reality, most of us are RACIST. Like it or not, all of us are one.
Those learned will realize that prejudice is an act by the majority group towards the new or smaller group. It is not logical for the smaller group(s) to be prejudice against the main grouping; BUT they can only despise or hate the majority. Just watch some movies that portrayed racist or prejudice. Here, I believe very much so about the Chinese and Indians.
The Chinese and Indians had accepted what were given to them (right after the departure of the brits). They do not fight back eventhough they are being deprived and suppress in subtle ways. The analogy of, “you don’t throw a frog in the boiling pot, but put it in the pot and boil it slowly” is definitely at work. So, those with opportunity would have fled the country; migrating overseas. This brain-drain is not because of poor salary; it is about the FUTURE – “the FUTURE of their generation(s) to come”. Somehow our big wits did not realised this; still trying to woo the Malaysians back to Malaysia. So what happens next? These Indian doctors will never make it as Chief surgeon, let alone Pengarah.
Many went away to ensure that their kids and kids of their kids will be brought up in a fair and equal opportunity environment. If you ask those who are residing overseas, many will paint a bad picture of Malaysia; its political scenario, religion, and the legal order. It looks like judges doing their job will being thrown out (of job). Who dares to tell the truth? Now, everyone is thinking of how to take care of their periok nasi. Most had done it so well that they could not bother about others, and the law. They knew very well that the ‘institution’ will take care of them. “If I go down, we all go down” type-of-mentality. Sadly, no one dare to come out to speak.
Same goes to these protesters, they knew very well someone is protecting them, it is definitely not ALLAH. If they did, munafik would be the right word. Those in politics would stir things up for personal gain. Mind you, they are not necessary from the ‘opposition’. They might well be one of the allies. It is about their objective(s), their aim to get what they one, no matter what it takes.
It is so sad that we might have to part with our neighbours or stop talking to them despite sharing so many rayas and festivals together because some fornicating idiot had played up the religious or racial issue. Even in this Bulan Puasa, I thereby condemn you (for stirring up racial and religious issue). I trust that it is a true ‘jihad’.
Kata Kini,
Australia probes Malay prejudice claims- The star 1.9.09
- ethnis Malays in Cocos Island claims that they are being discriminated by Australian bureaucrat.
- Muslim ethnic Malays in Cocos Island claims the Australian bureacrat are bias against them according to The Australian newspaper
- 80% of the 600 strong population who are Malays had been prevented from speaking their own langguage at work or school.They are also under paid by the local council.
- ABC reported that the relation between the Malays and the white minority at it lowest.
- Brendan O’conner the Home Affair Minister was send to Cocos Island to look into the matter to see whether it is a storm in the cup or a fundamental issue.
- O’Connor wants to make sure they get a good education and taught English at the same time recognising the unique nature of Cocos Island and accept the needs and the distinct place of the Malays and their culture,religion and ethnicity be recognised.
- The Cocos Malay were brought to the islands in the first half of the 19th century as coconut plantation workers.
*food for thought*
Pelangisenja,,,,
“FOOD FOR THOUGHT”
Its an issue of Maladministration, upon the Cocoans.
Should we not discard such malicious administrative
practices and put things right, in Malaysia?
KK is highlighting of the existance of malpractices here and sharing in co-existance, how to eleiminate them.
These are, some of the issues stifling our growth, towards attaining a 1st world mentallity.
Maladministration is very well known by the Cabinet Ministers because, it is written everywhere on their walls in Putrajaya.
They are keeping a blind eye because, the RAKYAT (ALL), became aware of UMNO/BNs MOONLIGHTING activities, in the name of BUMIPUTRA or MALAY RIGHTS.
Now they are in DAMAGE CONTROL MODE FOR THEIR OWN DOINGS. These UMNOPUTRAS are used as PAWNS in the frontline. These PAWNS one day will be given the same treatment as Khairy. He was treated like Fodder and Dumped to Fend for himself now. A Looser as an election candidate can be made a Minister. Anyway, Bumis were taken for a ride Disneyland Ride under the pre-tax of NEP.
Non-bumis never complained despite being the Major Tax Contributors, to Nation’s Coffers. Non-Bumis were aware of the what was happening but, were stifled. While DAP was always raising the issues, the MEDIA scuttled their voices by not printing it at all. In the meantime, all news from Print to Electronics, were bloating BUMIS in 7th heaven, as future millionaires.
For what this 50 odd ‘ORANG ULUs’ have done, did the police act with in the scope of law an order, upon the purpotrators, A BIG NO.
Can I trust the police anymore?
Have the Home Minister who without any hesitation, despite knowing the law exists ordered the police to arrest the culprits, A BIG NO.
Can he be trusted despite the existance of a law in the country?
1) So what is the legislation for, that powers the Minister,
when it has been used and abused for, purpose of
arresting innocent people like, Hindraf under false
charges?
2) Who in the RIGHT STATE OF MIND should you think, be
highlighting the Maldaministration of the Nations Wealth,
when UMNO/BN as the Government, is splashing out in the
MEDIA, that the NEP is to UPGRADE the STATUS OF MALAYS,
UNFORTUNATELY ONLY SELECTED MALAYS HAVE ENJOYED IT
FORTHE LAST 20 ODD YEARS?
3) What more in the case of a Hindu Temple and see what
this UMNOPUTRAS have turned the isuue to?
4) If the NEP is to be voiced by the non bumis, what do you
think the situation will turn out to be?
That is why O’ Connor went over to ensure that such maladministration practices s are avoided, with a fact that Cocoans irrespective, of their ethnicity are partly contributing to the countries GDP and are citizens of the Nation of Australia.
pelangisenja
firstly, I fully agree with you that the Aussies was discriminating against the Malays there. This my friend is definitely a form of prejudice; practised by the main group (that’s de aussies). Having said that, let us look at your ‘story’.
Whether we like it or not, this issue (what happened in Cocos Island Malays) resemblence to our national policy. All Chinamen and Indians are FORCED to speak our national language, which by the way is Bahasa Malaysia.
As I see it, the aussies are actually trying to restrain the locals from practising their Malaysia language in the local shire (dewan bandaran is the equivalent if my translation is correct). Having allowed it akin to allowing those Chinamen in Penang to adminster the state in Chinese; Mandarin. Better still in Hokien. Wah leow eh!!! Mana boleh jadi. Otak ada senget ke?
Anyway, I’ll leave it to you. It is said that “All men are created equal…”. But to some, men are created more equal than others.
Have a nice day.
Dr Amrit Sekhon,
- the cocoas Malays have been deprived even to speak their mother tongue,culture and even practice the muslim religion since 1950′s.
- there are not paid for whatever work they do even as a goverment servant equally as the whiteman.
- even the cocoan’s Malay ethnicity is not recognised.
- they are orevented from speaking their own langguage at work or school.
- all the ill and inhuman treatment are done by the very ‘orang putih’ who we always ‘junjung atas kepala’ for their way of democracy and human rights.
- it is happening in a so call developed country and always try to claim as ‘ a western’ country even thou it is in Asia continent.
- it shows clearly that maladministration will occur in any part of the world be it Australia,America or Japan or even the middle east.maladministration is not the ‘sole propiety’ of malaysian.
- for the good of NEP and what the majority malays benefitted,please ask YB Nurul Izzah bt Anwar,I am amazed with her honesty in writing about NEP without bias about the achievement and non achievement of NEP.i wonder our opposition leader YB Anwar ibrahim would have told her the ‘truth’ and the benefit of NEP to the Malays and bumiputra aswell as to other citizen generally to her.when put politic aside many truth will prevail i suppose.
- i beg to differ about the wrong perception of this noble NEP in its aims to eradicate poverty and restructuring of community.it is for all citizen of Malaysia.
- many non bumi may deny that NEP had them benefitted too but i am in opinion that whether the non bumis felt direct benefit or not, nobody can deny that NEP had made the non bumis to be more well verse with the sense of self survival and survival of the fittest.the non bumis learned much faster and better in ‘the art of survival’.
- NEP is an ‘economic spinner’ as it spin all Malaysian regardless of race and religion benefitted from it.
- many has the impression that NEP only benifitted a few.how few? are we talking about the few whose name are in forbes or malaysian riches malays?. please put that few aside and open our mind and heart and see the economy,living standard,education and life style of the majority bumis now compared with the 70′s.
- the policy has it setbacks and visible as it progress.the authority realise it with the help of opposition which highlighting it and last NEP had been change to a new policy as it is now.as time goes it will keep progressing.
- malaysian of any race or ethnicity has never been treated by the authority as the Cocoan Malays bearing in mind that we are the so called third world country.if anyone dare to say that in malaysia other ethnic who work whether in the goverment or private sector are being under paid then the malays? ahmad ,ah chong and muthu who work in JKR are paid differently?
- i do not deny there are setback of the policy but i firmly say that its setback are mainly cause my overzealous administrative staff then the noble policy itself.
- lastly, there are no ‘heavenly government’ in the world run the ‘angels’.
- always make sure our foot are touching the ground when we think or talk so that we are always reminded of reality and not on ideal alone.
- its a layman thinking mind me.
Kata Kini,
the chinese and indian in malaysia are “FORCED” to speak our national langguage? Oh i see.
there are thousands of tamil primary schools and many more thousand of primary and secondary chinese medium school in my country MALAYSIA.
tamil and mandarin are a subject that is taught throughout srp,spm,stpm and university,not mention the respective tamil and mandarin langguage faculty in many public university of cause all this are in my MALAYSIA.
there tamil and chinese radio and tv channel in my MALAYSIA.
of cause all the above i mention is in my MALAYSIA and i have no idea of which malaysia you are talking about.mind me.
Kata Kini enjoy yourself.
Pelangisenja,,
I have reservations on the 1950′s issue till today. So there is a time factor involved. If recently than I shall not dwell whats in Australia and stick to Malaysia.
MALADMINISTRATION
If maladministration is the focal point of discussion and a weakness than we should solve that in Malaysia.
NEP
It was not a STRESS TEST to put the Non-Bumis in, we compromised to the noble thought of sharing the economy. It was not to test the ability, of how the fittest citizen survived. It was to eradicate poverty, IRRESPECTIVE OF COLOUR, CREED AND RACE. Kindly use the terms as stipulated in the NEP.
ECONOMIC SPINNER
For your knowledge Economic Spinning comes from the Private Sector and not Public Sector. Public Sector is a Financial Liability or Consumer. Its the Private Sector Exports that contributes to the GDP of the nation. As for resources of the nation like tin, rubber, palm oil, petrol and others the private sector produces and pays taxes to the Government for the civil servants salaries.
BENEFITTED
The Malays lost more than they benefitted from the NEP. Plantation of Padi Land has been shrinking. We have become nett importers, as compared to having been exporters of rice. What happen to the padi land?
NEP BUMI RATIOS
Bumi % of economic share was to be achieved 30% by 1990 from 1970. What did it turn out to be, by 1990 the quota was 10% only. After 1990, another extension to 2000 was approved by all Political Parties. 1996 The bumi quota reached about 28%, who were the majority holders of all this %, ask NURUL.
You might remember the CORRECT!CORRECT!CORRECT! CD ISSUE. Tengku Adnan was said to have been offered BUMI quota, Berjaya shares and to make quick money he sold it off amassed huge profits for himself,,,legal maaa,,,, one man bumi quota maaa. These were BUMI QUOTAS, what did u get, lecture from me now.
Financial Crissis came by 1996. Alamak,,, bumi quota of the economy went down to 10%. The BUMI companies went bust. No holding power,,why 5 wives, 10 mercedes, 10 bunglows and sayangs or keeps in INdonesia. All had to lelong. So what are u talking about all these NEP benefits for all. RM 52 Billion bumi share of the economy, not a dam cent came to you and today its worth RM 2 Billion only. Read your newspapers and u wont see all this. Jaga tepi kain sendiri, jangan pee jaga Cocos Island.
STANDARDS OF BUMIS
As in 70s the standards of BUMI’s were better. Financially they had land for padi, rented out for business to people. Than,, they became educated. I am glad with that,,,but,,,did u see the problem, they are mostly employed in the Public Sector, GLC, GLICs all Public related companies. These companies are opearting below par. From 24 GLCs now shrinked to 20. OUt of which about 6 are performing okkk,,,and the rest are underperforming or lying idel. The 6 have to sustain the operating cost of the other 14. Remember,,, they are operating under monopoly or controlled market. No foreign competition. If the market is open to compete, all these companies will ‘gulung tikar’. That is why BN does not want to abide by AFTA and are struggling / frighten to sign FTA with USA.
TREATMENT
I don’t like to say this but, ‘A MELAYU COMPANY’ DID BUSINESS WITH MY COMPANY FOR A PROJECT, FOR 5% COMMISSION TO USE HIS LICENSE,,,,, I PUMPED IN RM 650K. WHEN THE MONEY CAME FROM THE SOURCE, UPON COMPLETION OF PROJECT, TO HIS LICENSED COMPANY ACCOUNT, HE BOLTED, WITH THE CHEQUE AND THE MONEY. I am sueing him now, but what will I acheive, he will wind up his company and he will open another company and carry on with government projects, under bumi quota or NEP. What about my losses?
NEP was a FARCE. Its A get rich scheme by cheating hard working people like me. Go to MOF and check the number of millions owed by BUMI contractors to Non-Bumi companies for projects completed. For u to reply to me.
Hello,,
This suites you more than, a man with worldly experience.
Always make sure YOUR FEET are touching the ground when U think or talk so that U are always reminded of reality and not on ideal alone. Leave COCOANS ASIDE,,JAGA TEPI KAIN MALAYSIA.
pelangisenja,
After digesting ur comments and Dr Armits…….., I feel Armit is right because I’m also caught with a company that owes me money but has not bolted yet but it would sooner or later.
It’s not a small company but have built hundres of schools but still owe us chicken feed.
Most readers are quite well versed with what is happening around us. They are constantly bombarded with the ‘so-called’ news by the media; on how they propagate. Interestingly, they had been successful in most cases. By continue to tell the same story; people will tend to believe the story even though it may be false. This, my friend is propaganda.
This is also how US propagated after the 9-11 incident in New York. They tell everyone how bad Islam is and they even sponsored Uni’s in-house newspapers on this to be distributed in the campus. Eventually, guess what? The whole world believed them. The Yanks had successfully propagated; influenced or brain-washed many in the process. Today, the latest propaganda is how resilient our world economy is. Imagine the ‘big hole’ that they needed to patch suddenly becomes okay now. No more filling required. Hmmmm….
Similarly, they will tell you how they did not involved in the PKFZ or how Mathematic and Science are needed to be taught in Bahasa. Eventually as in the latter case, and when the gap gets bigger (as the Chinese and Indians are more adaptable to the environment), the Malays will end up as losers. Being a loser in its own land, they will then revolt. Just read about the history of Indonesia against its ethnics. Ours in just in the waiting. Similarly, could you imagine Selangor losing to Perak or Perlis when playing at Shah Alam’s stadium. Benggang babe !!!.
When there is chaos, those in power will benefit. It is a simple divide-and-rule strategy. So, wake up you fools. We shall not allow any chaos in our neighbourhood, state or country.
Fuel prices increases beginning midnight tonight.
Again, we have been cheated. So much for the promise by Sharir, new grade of fuel at the same prices as the old grade of fuel that it replaces.
Azhar
That is why this morning our PM proclaimed at parliment ………..
” MAU DUIT KAH !!! ”
” MAU DUIT KAH !!! ”
” MAU DUIT KAH !!! ”
Cheers
SimoneK
Dear doc,
I quote this from Zulkifli Noordin blog:
http://zul4kulim.blogspot.com/
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JANGAN CABAR UMAT ISLAM!!!
Ayuh sahabat dan ikhwan, bangkitlah pertahankan Islam. Ketepikan sentimen politik dan assobiah masing-masing. Bersama kita bersatu dibawah naungan bendera Islam. Ingat pesan ALLAH dalam surah Al Maidah:
“Apabila diantara kamu berpaling daripada Islam, akan aku lahirkan satu kumpulan (yang akan membela Islam), yang mempunyai ciri berikut:
1. mereke cinta pada Ku;
2. Aku cintakan mereka;
3. mereka lembut terhadap sesama Islam;
4. mereka keras & tegas terhadap golongan kafir (dan yg sewaktu dengannya);
5. mereka berjihad ke jalan Aku;
6. dan mereka tidak takut celaan orang yang mencela”
Kumpulan yang menepati ciri-ciri diatas ini dipanggil “heezbullah_tentera Allah. Dan kepada mereka ALLAH janjikan kemenangan (dunia & akhirat).
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don’t you think this person is extremist? I search for meaning of the word “kafir”, it means “unbeliever”.
for me, it is different from what you quote:
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“No Believer shall oppose the client of another Believer. Whosoever is rebellious, or seeks to spread injustice, enmity or sedition among the Believers, the hand of every man shall be against him, even if he be a son of one of them. A Believer shall not kill a Believer in retaliation of an unbeliever, nor shall he help an unbeliever against a Believer.”
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Dear Chiew
Zul was referring to Kartina Dewi Shukarno canning issue and not related to what is being said here. Thank you
Dear doc,
Sorry for bringing in another issue, yet i do realize that it is different issue.
Please delete my posting if needed, it’s ok.
Doc Rafick,
I believe in God……..but I’m not a muslim, does this mean I’m a “KAFIR”. Can u and the rest please post some comments.
I hope pelangisenja would comment.
Balasi,,
‘KAFIR’ means to astray. So, if a Moslim deviates from the practices of ISLAM, than he is a KAFIR. Like wise in Sikhism, Hinduism, Bhuddism, Cristianity or any Tenats of a Communities Practices, if the person astrays he will be called KAFIR.
In the Police Case in Sect. 23, for not taking action on the hooligans, by advocating the “law of parliment”, the police are KAFIRS, by deviating from the right of Arresting them, in the name of LAW.
Dr amrit ji
Isn’t kafeer is widely used in punjabi and urdu..
Doc R via blackberry….
Dr. Rafick Ji,,
Yes Sir,,it is Punjabi and Urdu.
As well Northern Indian, Persian and Arabic.
my dear Balasi,
you must see the word KAFIR and its meaning in the islam religion perspective not in any others.
*please may i suggest that we don’t encroach to much into anyones religion too much or deeply with our own understanding and verification,because ones understanding could derives from many factors but not necessarily tallying with the original meaning as suppose in that particular religion.please bear into our mind of the sensitivity of ones religion so that the intended purity of any religions are always being held high above our normal thinking.*
pelangi senja
Please keep and open mind. Trace the meaning of the word kafeer (or kafir) and you see it is widely used in other parts of the world which also carries the same meaning. The word does not belong to the Islamic or Malay vocab
Dr Rafick Ji, Adab and Izazet Mang Ta Hun,,,
Pelangi senja,,,
Hei!!!! u r fine right,,,OKKK!!!!!
U have to look in 2 perspectiveness towards the issue.
1) Language
2) Religion.
Arabs, rightfully have used their Lanuage to write the scriptures of the Holy Qoran, for the religion of Islam.
That goes to say,,,they know what the Qoran Speaks.
Like wise the Labonese, Jordanians Syrians, Palestinians who are Christians, Hindus, Sikhs, Bhuddist,,,, yes suprisingly,,,,,,, also can read the Holy Qoran and understand it better, than Malays because, the language used to write the Holy Qoran is their Language, which is Arabic. My cousin, from India, a non muslim in Kuwait, can recite and understands the Qoran because, he has learnt and speaks the Arabic Language.
Apparently,,there are vast similarities in the words of Central Asia, West Asia, Middle Asia, East Asia and Northern Regions of South Asia. Don’t ask who is the creator of the Language, which is common in the whole region, divided into many countries. It will be an egg and chicken story.
Alexander came from Europe he spoke English., but he travelled all the way to Central Asia?
I hope I can be of help in electrifying the cloudy area.
Shukria Dr Rafick Ji,,Izazet They Nay Ki Liyae.
Hello,,
Search the web on Snap.com,,
No offense to you but,,,,
IKRAM is not far away ask them if you, don’t trust me as a Malaysians.
Before Religion, there was some means of Communication, Egyptian Pyramids Drawings is a good example, which later transformed into languages, only than could Religious Scriptures be written. Weather Christian(Bible), Islam(Qoran), Hindu(Bhagvatghita), Sikh(GranthSahib), Bhuddist( Scriptures) or any other.
Go study Anthropology, which will expand your knowledge.
I talk of research, not preaching or desicrating any religion. As far as KAFEER or KAFIR is concerned it is an adjetive, describing deviation from the norm, from Central, West and South Asian Languages.
To expand your horizon and prove me wrong, go open a dictionary of these languages Arabic, Persian, Sanskreet, Urdu, Hindi, Punjabi, Bahasa Malaysia and English. Find the meaning of KAFEER or KAFIR.
This word is not derived from Bahasa Melayu. They come from the languages of East, Central, West and South Asian regions and NEVER from East Asia. Moslims of Malay Origin, cannot be custodians of the languages spoken, in other parts of the world.
You have the right to attach definations, of your language, I suppose is Bahasa Melayu, to enlighten the Arabs or Indians or Pakistanis or Iranians or Iragees or Cenatral Asians, but don’t teach an Eskimo, what Ice is.
Sat Sri Akaal ji.
Dr. Amrit
Thank you for enlighten many with your article on antropology.
Sadly, many with little knowledge have a tendency to ‘pandai pandai’ to show off. It is also sad that many do not want to accept the reality.
Culturally, the Melayu (if they still wants to call themselves this) is a very new race. Many times I have heard that the Indians and Chinese are ‘otak lama’; not old brain literately but have bertamadun early. In another word, being civilized early.
Mahathir has been constantly being mentioned as having ‘otak lama’; is a good example.
Kata Kini,
Sat Sri Akal to you too,,,,
I Hope I am not Showing Off.
Nothing is real in this world except,
WEATHER, LIFE AND DEATH.
I am one of those fortunate human beings, to go through, during the Hay Days of English Education, by International Recognised Authored Books, that spoke of the World.
Unlike now, subjects are in narrow and shallow context of………………………………………………………………………….
We had educationist and teachers, who had the interest of students on hands, in their hearts, minds, souls and ensured responsibility of our successes.
They made sure that we went through a thorough system, which we display today. What u read is their ‘REFLECTIONS’.
That is why PM & DPM, knew the importance of English and were suprised that in Malaysian Education System, it is not compulsory to Pass English coz, students will still attain, SPM Certificates. The despicable thing is, despite knowing the importance of English, they still went ahead to change Science and Maths into BM. ??????????????????????????????????????
CIVILISATION plays a very important role in a Race.
INDUS CIVILISATION of Northern India cum Pakistan, in Punjab was one of the Oldest, Litrate and Modern civilisations of that ERA. Not frogetting of Egyption and Chinese Civilisation. Literacy transgresses form generation to generation, in progressive stages and knowledge is passed on, while their people transform. Knowing and Understanding peoples Languages, Religious Practices, Traditions, Cultures and Knowledge, depicts progress and development, which is reflected by their civilisation.
As for Malaysia, its a conflict of interest not among the diffrent races but, the different fabrics of Malays themselves.
In Malaysia, Malays are origins of different races and places. Thats the 1st issue. So they are still trying to create an identical profile, to suit it into the Malay Race.
Not forgetting, there was a Hindu Raj in South East Asia and the influence of Indianism is very stronger.
The Malaysian Archealogical Department is caught between the devil and the sea, that is, if they talk of religion Islam fine and incorporate it with practices and traditions, it becomes a quandry because they are predominantly Indian and the situation becomes ‘sine die’. Indian traditions and practices are in every mode, of their live style. That is why Hindi or Bollywood movies, attracts them the most because it reminds them of them, in many ways.
Indonesians have evolved from Hinduism to Islam but, they retained the traditions and culture of the Indianism Practices. This did not break, the Identity of Indonesian Fabric. That is why freedom of religion is paramount in Indonesia, and there are no arguments or issues on it. What bonds them is their civilisation of past and the present modern is also accepted.
As for Mahathir, no comments. He new at what mode he was operating, in full flight, constructive, distructive or disruptive,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,ask him.
My 2 cents thoughts:
Malays should acceptt the reality of the different Malay Races among them and ‘do not force’ to create a single identity. With their plesent personality, politeness, humility, kindness, hospitality and fondness to know other races, I can assure you that, they will be able to melt the other races and will evolve into a Malaysian Race.
Have a nice day.
INDUS CIVILISATION :MAHENJODARO CIVILISATION THEIR IRRIGATION CANNALS, POTTERY, WEAPONS, TOOLS, MECHINARY SYSTEM HAS BEEN DISCOVERED AND PROVEN BY ARCHEOLOGIST OF THE MODERN TEACHNIQUES USED IN THAT ERA.
Sat Sri Akaal ji.
I do enjoy your writing. I must say, I learning new things. Overlooked your comments. Do continue to educate me.
Dear Readers,
No doubt I fully understand and like the term very very much being used by Doc, but then, I am trying to see from a different perspective point of view, as to why, there are still some parties felt offended and discontented despite numerous clarifications done by Doc.
Generally, it will be for those who has not visited Doc’s website, in particular. Further, if the said term being used in general, be it in words written, or particularly in words spoken, I believed majority, if not all, will instantaneous and unquestionably refer to Item (2) as I have mentioned earlier via 31/8/09 @ 4.35pm.
Hence, I sincerely urged to those parties concerned to be rational, compromised and have a better understanding to distinguish on the said term used therein @ Doc’ website, which, explicitly meant to describe the “Shah Alam Sek 23 bigotry protesters”
With you all the way.. Doc
Cheers
SimoneK
Simonek
Thank you.. Gracias.. Merci..
Doc
Dont mentioned !…No ha mencionado!…..
N’est pas mentionné! ( I hope it’s correct )
Cheers
SimoneK
Dr Raffick, dun use that motto, not good, the iban warriors will have your head for breakfast….don’t insult them.
You can insult me becos I am not IBAN but a true RANGER…
Please refrain from doing it, must be professional DOC !
As for the Orang Ulu of SHAH ALAM, I got what you mean, was just trying to educate THE people who think they come from another source, they think they are from MARS or Jupiter!
SO HUMANS CANNOT LIVE IN PEACE, ASK THEM TO GO VISIT SOMALIA….ALL THE UMNO GOONS AND BN IDIOTS…GO SEE HOW PEOPLE SUFFER BECOS OF POLITICAL INDIFFERENCE!
HOPEFULLY THAT WILL GET THEIR BLOODY PERSPECTIVE RIGHT AS TO HOW TO LEAD AND MANAGE A COUNTRY…!
OTHERWISE WILL WILL PUNISH THEM GOOD AND PROPER WHEN THE TIME COMES
SELAMAT BERBUKA
Hi CSI
That is my motto and not the Ibans! No disrespect intended to them.. I know some brave iban warrior personally..
Maybe all of us can learn a thing or two about the treaty between muslims and the jews signed by the prophet Mohamed s.a.w.
http://www.cyberistan.org/islamic/treaty22.html
I like the following para
“No Believer shall oppose the client of another Believer. Whosoever is rebellious, or seeks to spread injustice, enmity or sedition among the Believers, the hand of every man shall be against him, even if he be a son of one of them. A Believer shall not kill a Believer in retaliation of an unbeliever, nor shall he help an unbeliever against a Believer.
Doc ,
Some are saying the 50 stupid people are Malay/Muslim extremists or racist. I take it as generalising when the 50 fools are mentioned as Melayu/Muslim racist/extremist.
Dear AK
On what basis do u think the infamous fifty did what they did?
Were they racist? Or they were simply against Hinduism.?
Do you think their action is justified? I would not like it either if a group of non muslim parading the Quran and then put their feet on the Quran in such a manner on what they did on the cattle and said ” Xavier, this cow head is for you..”
If there is any generalization, I believe it is restricted to the 50 people which in my mind must bear the responsibility of their actions.
Can u highlight which comment specifically.
Doc R via blackberry….
Drrafick,
your camparison that putting feet on Quran and the cattle head i think is wrong and the comparison you are giving is more likely a suggestive to some one to do.firstly the holiness of cow to a hindu i think do not reach as far as their holy book like Bagvgetas or Ramayana.the holiness of the cow is on certain occasion like poggal festival or certain prayers.
cattles are reared in india not because of its holiness factors only but many more economic in nature.as other animal cattle in the rearing process are treated normally like any other animal.not to say about their ill treatment and ill nurisment and they do sell or export the cattles to foreign countries tru their muslim brother.the same scenario goes in malaysia.where do you think the cattles in our hindu brothers goes during hariraya’s and other days? the cows are a symbol of reflection in their religious believe.
whereby all muslims know the origin of the holy quran.
with due respect to you drrafick,your equation and comparison are wrong in my humble opinion.mind me.
Dear pelangisenja
There is no such thing as “degree of holiness” If we regard the Quran as a holy then to the Hindu’s the Cow is a Holy animal. As a fair person we must treat both as holy and give it due respect.
If you go the supermarket next time, look out for frozen Indian cattle meat- they are actually buffalo meat..
Dear Doc
Just a suggestion, maybe, you should put it in the following manner to avoid misconception of the term used :-
1) “ORANG ULU” – a word and or action to describe
an excessive intolerance and
prejudice and shocking of
antisocial behaviour of a bigot
2) “Orang Ulu” – ethnically diverse tribal groups in
Sarawak or Sabah,
I hope the above, thus, clarifies matter.
Cheers
SimoneK
p/s whatever, I like term used by you to describe the said protesters.
Cheers
SimoneK
Dear Readers,
No doubt I fully understand and like the term very very much being used by Doc, but then, I am trying to see from a different perspective point of view, as to why, there are still some parties felt offended and discontented despite numerous clarifications done by Doc.
Generally, it will be for those who has not visited Doc’s website, in particular. Further, if the said term being used in general, be it in words written, or particularly in words spoken, I believed majority, if not all, will instantaneous and unquestionably refer to Item (2) as I have mentioned earlier via 31/8/09 @ 4.35pm.
Hence, I sincerely urged to those parties
concerned to be rational, compromised and have a better understanding to distinguish on the said term used therein @ Doc’ website, which, explicitly meant to describe the “Shah Alam Sek 23 bigotry protesters”
With you all the way.. Doc
Cheers
SimoneK
The temple in Seksyen 19 http://shw.minaq-jinggo.fotopa…81552.html
The January 2009 incident at the temple involving PEWARIS http://shw.minaq-jinggo.fotopa…81520.html
The cow-head incident is not without precedent.
Khalid Samad
saya mendapat maklumat dari seorang penduduk Melayu Seksyen 19 bahawa ada sekumpulan Melayu telah datang untuk menimbulkan ketegangan di kuil tersebut. Selepas mesyuarat berkenaan saya bergegas ke sana dan mendapati sekumpulan orang, kebanyakan mereka orang luar, berkumpul berhampiran kuil tersebut. Mereka ingin membina ‘gelanggang silat’ di tepi kuil dan akan mengadakan kenduri untuk merasmikan pembukaan gelanggang tersebut pada hari Sabtu 10hb ini. Untuk kenduri itu mereka akan tumbangkan 2 ekor lembu! Seterusnya mereka akan menjamu penduduk dan orang ramai di depan kuil berkenaan. Gelanggang mereka akan dibina tanpa membuat apa-apa permohonan kepada phak berkuasa kerana kata mereka, kuil tersebut juga tidak mendapat kebenaran!
Read the story here http://www.khalidsamad.com/200…dakan.html
They are not orang ulu but rather orang UMNO…. Lets us from now on associate the word orang umno as the barbarian, the gangster, racist and hooligan that they are. I from now on will refer to anyone who is uncouth, intolerant, inhumane ( they are neither muslim, hindu, buddist etc), racist, bigot and generally a threat to our society as “orang UMNO’. I sincerely believe it and I think the majority of malaysian now believe it too. Orang ulu from now on will be replaced with “orang UMNO” to refer to these garbage!
The clearest indication that this cow head protest is an Umno sponsored event is the lack of action by the police. Just a “stern” warning by Hishamuddin. No further action! I rest my case.
haha, hishamuddin kick the ball back to MB of selangor.
Doc ,
This condemnation of the incident if not checked as indicated in many responses on the same topic in many blogs will end with the generalisation that Malays are racist.
Everytime Malays talk/act on their rights it become prejudicial as if only Chinese and Indians can demand their rights. What about Malay rights?
Chinese and Indians are the bigger racist . After 52 years they cannot still accept the 1 single education system with the medium of learning in Malay. Can’t the stupid BN see increasing polarisation of our youngsters and children when they do not live , study, play together as one community.
(Dear AK, sorry – line deleted by admin).
Dear AK
No one is talking about racism here. We are talking about the 50 people who demonstrated and insulted other people religion.
There is no generalization either
By the way do read Khalid Samad latest publication which gave a clear map on the location of all the temple sites being discussed. Very clear. He is also supporting the relocation of the temple.
Keep the keris,ok! Baik kita pi kena teh tarik!
http://www.khalidsamad.com/2009/08/peta-lokasi-berhubung-kuil-seksyen-19.html
Also read the claims by some people that the leaders of the pact are PAS members which I doubt very much. Khalid Samad mention it here.
http://www.khalidsamad.com/2009/08/kepala-lembu-pas.html
Aku dah seumur hidup tinggal kat rumah yg dekat ngan tokong cina , tak pun aku jadi murtad , takpun Islam aku luntur . Yg depa pii bising usung kepala lembu tuu apa ke jadahnya , time puasa pulak tuu, lepas solat jumaat pulak, buat malu orang Islam je . Apa Islam depa tuu , spray atas kulit je , nampak kuil hindu 24 jam sehari , terus luntur , jadi hindu ke ? kalau macam , baik tak yah jadi orang Islam , memalukan orang Islam je. Patutlaa Barat benci kat Islam , pasai orang macam depa ni laa.
Bodoh !
ak,
- i agree to your first para.
- i agree to your second para
- i agree to your para 3 that you start ‘mengelabah tak tentu arah’
- i agree to your last para sentence ‘we malays are a tolerant lot’ (** very true sincerely speaking**)
- i agree to your last setence that your ‘right thinking capacity’,i mean the thinking organ start to move downward half way tru your body.
drrafiick
the admin will be doing a great service by taking the middle path by deleting the last para of ak’s comment above if possible.the setence has a ‘magnetic field’ that can ‘attract’ more and more negativity.
Dear Pelangi senja
Thank you for highlighting
I can be quite numb sometimes.. Took your advice and acted accordingly
drrafick
thank you sir.selamat berbuka puasa pada waktunya bersama keluarga tersayang.
Pelangisenja,
U must let them get loose…so they will just get all the things terpendam in their hearths out. Make them cool man…..baru negara ini aman. I hope so.
Balasi,
this is not the place for ‘lepaskan yang terpendam’,the right place to loose it all yg terpendam is one’s own ‘bilik termenung’.
kalau nak melepaskan yang terpendam di tempat awam then it will be like the cowhead incident.mind me.
Pelangisenja, betul juga nanti kecoh macam dalam kandang kambing. Thank u.
Dr. Raffick,
CORRECTION TO YOUR PERCEPTION
Doc, Me and you had both served in the Malaysian Armed Forces and mine is in the Infantry and yours is in the Medical for a stretch of 20 years plus. We had traversed the whole width of the Malaysian Nation and by and large had been witnessing the Real Orang Ulu of Sarawak and Sabah and some of the Orang Ulu in Kelantan and Perak Jungle – the Orang Asli.
I had never witnessing any of the real Orang Ulu (OU) in their midst of rage and anger, slaughtering and parading the head of any animal, be they are the domesticated or the hunted from the wild, not unless it is in a ritual or that may call for such to be done with purpose.
Thereby to classed and compared those Wayward UMNO supporters and assisted by the Power of the BN Government who were acting in the film of the so called ” Malaysian Cow Head & Hindu Temple” is totally not right at all with the real Orang Ulu. However you can reclassified them as a “Wayward UMNO Supporters” that will be more correct and proper indeed.
The Orang Ulu of Sarawak, Sabah and Malaya are much more advance in all aspect of requirement, such as Education, Politic, Social and Religious Understanding, They never resorted to any system that is shameful to the modern society of thinking and understanding.
I am not going to dwell at length on this Topic any further, since this typical Wayward UMNO supporters had lowered their standard of legitimacy to that of the stray dog in the street, eating and fighting for the stinking smell of the dead cow severed head. They are not going to learn their lesson anymore and their demised from the Malaysian Political Stage are being set and plan to be a history, come in the next General Election circa 2012~2013 and that is for sure.
Hello Renjer!
Thanks for dropping by. You misunderstood the meaning of Orang Ulu here which is not related to the Sarawakian! Do read other comments below.Trust this clarifies.
By the way, ” My motto is Selagi Hidup, Selagi Mengelabah!” … Enjoy the holidays.. just got back from Taman Rimba Ampang.
Where did mankind come from?
Are we from the monkies?
Are we here with a big bang?
Or we came from the rocks?
Islam says we : ALL CAME FROM THE FIRST PROPHET ADAM a.s.
WE WERE SPREAD ALL OVER THE WORLD, DIFFERENT IN COLORS, DIFFERENT IN LOOKS SO THAT WE LEARN FROM EACH OTHER AND LIVE IN PEACE!
SO IF MUSLIMS IN SHAH ALAM OR ANYWHERE ELSE IN THIS WORLD CANNOT COMPREHEND WHAT THE QURAN SAYS, I AM DEARLY SORRY FOR THEM!
MUST GO BACK TO BASIC ISLAMIC STUDIES….
The demonstration is made by showing the true value of Muslim and Islam. What a patheatic bxxxxxx. I pray these people will living a hell life in this earth. the CPO shows another stupidity….(BXXXXX)
Orang ulu, well more like orang bodoh
Or is it just because 2009 is the year of the OX that they carried the cow head? What if this took place in 2007, the year of the BOAR? Would they resort to carrying the head of the animal of the year?????
year 2008- RAT
Its sad to see that this is what happend after so much of effort and $$ spent by us the tax payer, to “promote” racial harmony and peace…i cant stop wonder if this is what we will continue seeing, or, it will stop once the BN come back to their glory days of 90% control over the government?
As a father of 2, im very concern over the impact and influence that my children will experience if this is what happening, when i was asked to thinbk about migrating back 5 years ago, i told them Malaysia is the BEST country anyone can imagine, but, since March 2008, this statement of mine can no more stands as what i can read/see everyday is only Malays, Chinese, Indian, Islam, Non muslim, and all sorts of social divisions..is this what i want my children to go thru, definitely NO NO NO.
Shall we continue allowing these narrow minded politician spreading such racial tensioned statement? well, looks like nothing much can be done, but, very critically, only the Rakyat themselves can decide the future of the country…
please do not bring up the issue of “immigrant” of China/India into any statement, this is a “histrory” that happened hundred of years ago, today, all are Malaysian, unless, we want to wreck this country, else, its our responsibility to understand what’s truth, and what’s “scared and control” tactics of trhe current “government”
A still sadden Malaysian..
Kepada majority Penduduk Seksyen 23 Shah Alam,
Saya percaya mana-mana agama di dunia ini tidak bergitu cemburu, irihati, tidak bertimbangrasa, ganas menidas penganut agama lain dan lain-lain lagi. Cuma saya nak tanya kenapa penganut agama Islam sahaja yang kami selalu dengar melakukan perkara-perkara seperti ini ????
Saya bukan penganut agama Islam walau bagaimana pun saya juga tidak cemburu terhadap orang Islam walaupun kerajaan berusaha bermacam-macam cara untuk majukan mereka, cuma pihak bukan Islam mahukan supaya yang batul-betul susah atau yang memerlukan di tolong dan bukan di rampas oleh orang-orang yang rapat dengar pihak berkuasa.
Saya percaya Islam tidak ajar sebegitu rupa terhadap penganutnya, apa tak lagi tindakkan mereka pulak telah mencemarkan Islam sendiri, jadi jangan lagi menuduh orang bukan Islam yang menghina Islam.
Kerpercayaan terhadap mana-mana agama adalah terletak di hati masing-masing, bukan boleh dipaksa-paksa. Tidak gunanya secara fizikal sahaja nampak macam Islam tetapi sebenarnya tidak mengikut ajaran Islam sebenarnya.
Saya pernah pergi ke luar negara dan selalu melihat surau atau masjid di benarkan dibina di tempat-tempat yang majoritynya bukan orang Islam, mereka pun tidak kata bahawa masjid itu telah menggangu mereka melakukan acara keagamaan mereka. Sebab utamanya mereka percaya terhadap Tuhan mereka dan bukan kepada baha-bahan disekeliling mereka sebagai penghalang untuk mereka terus melakukan ibadat terhadap Tuhan kerpercayaan mereka. Tidak ada apa-apa yang dapat halang kita daripada melakukan apa sahaja yang kita harus lakukan sebagai penganut apa-pap agama sekali pun sekiranya kita mempunyai iman yang cukup tinggi terhadap Tuhan kita.
Ada ker benda-benda disekeliling kita lebih besar daripada Tuhan yang kita percaya, melainkan iman kita adalah cetek sahaja.
Cuba orang Islam renungkan seketika, apa ker perasaan anda semua apabila anda pergi ke luar negara dan didapati bahawa apabila anda nak beribadat tetapi anda tidak berupaya jumpa satu pun masjid di tempat yang anda kunjungi. Ada ker anda semua akan berasa marah seperti penganut agama lain di Malaysia ???
Kenapa penganut agama lain boleh bertolak ansur tetapi Islam tak boleh ??? Bagaimana penganut agama lain boleh menerima Islam sebagai agama mereka apabila mereka melihat dengan mata mereka sendiri apa yang sedang berlaku di depan mereka.
Sesiapa pun di dunia ini sekarang apabila mereka mengatakan tentang keagaman ialah berkenaan dengan kedamaian, kesayangan, di akhirat, sopan satun, hormat-menghormati sesama dan dengan yang lain. Kalau sesuatu agama itu dapat berikan apa yang saya sebut kan di atas maka tidak teragar-agar lah mereka akan menerimanya dengan hati yang terbuka.
Bangsa-bangsa lain di negara masing-masing pun ada hak mengatakan apa yang di katakan oleh segenlitir penduduk seksyen 23 tetapi mereka pilih untuk tidak buat demikian kerana mereka percaya apa yang mereka belajar bukan seperti yang mereka lihat di sekysen 23 Shah Alam.
Demi untuk keamanan di Malaysia, sama-sama lah kita renungkan seketika, moga-moga neraga Malaysia akan terus maju kedepan.
I, for one, will be very interested to see what action the polis will be taking come tuesday.
http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/111745
Will we be seeing the ‘familiar’ faces of the perpetrators as seen in the various youtube clips, or are we going to see a circus of black goats, some with special made head covers ala the altantuya murder case.
Good Morning , folks !
Hmm, pardon me for saying this.. had a tough time trying to understand the feedback.
(Digress a bit …Why are there so many comments ( or debate ?) on the phrase ” Orang Ulu” ? instead of the subject matter.
Please read properly the article title which specifically mentioned ….Sect 23, Shah Alam.)
Leaving the sensitive religious issue aside, observations regarding the Demo (reportedly by residents of Sect 23) :
1. Normal demo by disgruntled participants usually display ordinary traits, such as, banners_carrying, shouting of slogans,etc.
(men in blue would dispersed them withou fail – but then again depending on whose side the demo is linked to)
2. This particular demo is NOT normal :-
a. News media / cameramen already in place waiting for the arrival of protesters.
b. the guy ( Ibrahim Sabri) in the videoclip hysterically threaten bloodshed if temple is built in Sect.23
c. Polis just stood by and watched without any interference ( how nice if same applies for other more peaceful demo !)
d. SB plainclothes would have napped the speaker for such speeches (but did not)
3. Subsequent statements made by various Ministers and top cops range from ..
PM – Ask IGP to investigate the protest against the proposed relocation of a Hindu temple in Shah Alam,
Home Minister – Regret the incident happened,
and the most ridiculous statements by the OCPD S.Alam …action, if taken, would have worsen the situation.( against 50 people ?)
And Voila..NST online 31 Aug 09, All the Barisan National mouthpieces are now blaming the Selangor Govt for the ugly demo !!
( took 3 days after the incident for them to prepare some statements ? ).
http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/NST/articles/10democ/Article/index_html
So, is this an ordinary demo by a residents group ?? or Something else …. ?
Hey, the sun is shining this morning in Selangor !! No thunderstorm or the like. Go celebrate Merdeka your way and enjoy !
Hi Ale
Thank you for bringing my readers back into the main issue to focus!
Going by the arguments of these “Orang Ulus” , that is building places of worship is accordance with population- then mosques and suraus cannot be built in Chinese Singapore or Hong Kong.
One of the largest Mosques is built in Rome – the capital of Christianity.
Now , how will the Muslims respond if Christians, Buddhist, Hindus elsewhere object the to the building of mosques because they form the majority in the area?
Orang Ulu’s must look from the ‘other side’ – the non-Muslim side to understand.
Anyway, Malays don’t resort to this type of action. I think they were paid by some UMNO fellows or even Hassan Ali to do this. I don’t trust this ex-BTN fellow, Hassan. He is a wolf in sheep’s clothing.
The ’50 or so’ , orang ‘ulus’s', termed by Dr.Raffick, I guess has nothing to do with the Orang Ulus in any remote part of the country. We, POSITIVE THINKING PEOPLE understand the term used by Dr. is not to belittle the real orang Ulus, in any part of the world, and so, please understand it’s, “Orang Ulu of SEC 23″ ( it’s inverted commas ). Their act of foolishness has put all RIGHT THINKING MUSLIMS in jeopardy. Guess, I don’t totally blame them, probably they did it out of ignorance on ISLAM or it was because they needed ‘cash’ to overcome their problems in this bad economy. Understand, lately there has been a lot of retrenchments due to the bad economy. So they played into the ‘hands’ of ‘ The DALANGS’ involved in this episode. Who could the ‘Dalang’ be? My guess is as good as your’s, i.e it has to be the people who lost everything in the MAC 08 elections.
The govt is NOT SEEN to be serious about taking action on this group. The Home Minister and the PDRM chief’s are still doing the antics of a, ‘kura-kura’. Guess, It would have been a different ball game if the parties concerned were from the pakatan or some unknown group, not likely sponsored by some Individual or an interested political party behind the whole drama. Hypocrites at work. God bless their souls when they are ‘six feet under ground’.
Talking along the line of religion. A lot has been said and it’s an on going discussion. But let’s ponder for a while. People who “JUMP’, at whisk of something said or done against their religion. In reality, do these people really follow the teaching of the religion or it’s just that they want to ‘SHOW OFF’ how they love their religion. Loving your religion. How does one show ‘love’. Is it by just doing the rituals but never practice it in life. Eg. Betray GOD’S COMMANDMENTS’. Do you know even hurting an animal, it’s not allowed under the ‘GOD’S COMMANDMENTS. Even mother nature has to be taken care of under “GOD’S COMMANDMENTS’. But is this really happening today in the world or in Malaysia especially the group of 50 from “Sec.23 Shah Alam’. It’s just like saying, ‘I love you’, to your partner but at his/her back you are disloyal to that party. ‘GOD’S COMMANDMENTS’, for muslims would be the holy QURAN, the Christians BIBLE and so on.
Lastly, I call upon the authorities concerned ESPECIALLY the GOVT to ensure that action is ‘SEEN’ taken over this incident otherwise if you are a muslim I wonder how you face Allah at the end of the day.
Be honest, I won’t make a wild guess that this demo was planned by the party that has lost control on selangor on Mar 08, it could be or could not be their plan.
Of course, we know why it could be their plan, try to topple the current state government. Another guess of mine is somebody trying to show to people that “who is the boss”.
It’s already the third day of the incident, I haven’t heard any voice from a party which claim to practice real islam. I feel sorry for this party, because they are not dare to face this issue brought up by the instigators.
Normally, when there is a demo going to be held, we will know it beforehand, and we can also read that the police urge people do not join the demo blah blah blah. One thing that is curious me “Is this demo approved by police?”. If it was, I believe we could have read it; if it wasn’t, this demo was illegal and police should do their job fairly. This is another instance that police do their job selectively.