1. Firstly, my apology if the term “Orang Ulu” that is used in the header sounds insulting to the people of Section 23. It is not meant for all residents of Section 23 but only to those who took part in the disgusting and barbaric demonstration that took place between the Mosque and the SUK building and carrying a cow’s head. It is also intended to the father of the child that allows his son to participate in the demonstration. For the rest of the article the term of “Orang Ulu” is specifically meant for them.
2. Some may be wondering why I called them Orang Ulu despite living in “Bandaraya Shah Alam”. I use the term to reflect their mentality and ignorance that resulted in their actions. In a “Bandaraya” where internet is easily available, their knowledge about the law and Islam does not reflect their address. Even as a child they might have not been adequately educated by their parents and schools, certainly they could read from books and from the internet and deepen their knowledge on what is right and what is wrong.
3. Firstly, I cannot appreciate the concern on the “Orang Ulu” as they have not put forward a reasonable argument. Instead they to the street in such a despicable manner and insulted the Hindus just to have their voice heard.
4. I cannot comprehend the argument that was raised by the Residents Association Deputy Chairman that claims with a temple on their residential area where they have 90% Muslim; they cannot function properly as Muslims. They claims that with the temple will disrupt their daily activities like prayers in the Surau. This is the most ridiculous argument that I have ever heard.
5. Firstly, the whole of Peninsular Malaysia is about 60% Muslim. Does the RA expect the non Muslim to take to the sea to practice their religious rights? The entire population of Shah Alam is predominantly Malays. I am not sure how many in terms of percentage but no matter how many percent the Malays can be, the law of the land is fair to both Muslims and Non Muslims.
6. If they do not have any respect for the law of the land then they should at least respect the law laid down by Allah in the Quran and Hadith. No where it is mentioned that Muslims have the right to deny the non Muslim to practice their faith. Islam thought us to be fair against the Non Muslims.
7. Maybe the Orang Ulu can go back to their respective Ustaz and confirm the story of Prophet Mohamed first migration to Medina where he brought peace to the various factions of different religion. It teaches tolerance and acceptance. How come the “Orang Ulu” does not know this and understand it?
8. I urged the other residents who disagree with the actions of the committee of Section 23 to stands up and to be counted. We, the Muslims and the Malays must reject this kind of ignorant attitude. Not only that I expect all political parties on both sides of the political divide to stand and be counted. I expect nothing less than that from PAS leaderships.
9. In the best interest of Malaysia and it is citizens, I think a policy must be made and enforce on this matter. I urged the government that in the future, where there is new development land must be made available for the building mosque, temples and churches. No religion in the world force their people to do bad things. All religion promotes positive values. They must be located side by side. The space for dead must also be made available side by side.
10. The ignorant community at large must be educated on simple matters like this. It is very sad to know that in country like Malaysia where Islam is being propagated by the State and Federal Government has failed to inculcate the basic knowledge and values of Islam for the people who called themselves Muslims. A good Muslim will protect its rights and at the same time accommodate the weak and the minority.
11. Hassan Ali, I want to hear your views on this. I heard Dato Dr Subramaniam claims that Najib has also express his unhappiness over the issue but I have not heard him saying so openly. I am not sure I can trust this Dr Subramaniam fellow! For the Hindu’s I thank you for reacting rationally and have shown tremendous patience over the matter. To the “Orang Ulu”, I suggest they try to practice the first word of Sura Al-Alaq, which is Iqraq that carries the meaning read (or recite)! You can start by browsing the internet and search the history of Islam and Prophet Mohamed and learn a thing or two from it.
Watch the “Orang Ulu” in action!
At the rate we are churning out world headlines of the wrong
species for global entertainment, we truly deserve a mention in ‘that’ GUINNESS BOOK OF INFAMOUS WORLD RECORDS.
To those who do not seem to understand, – read the following, – it is a section of what Shah Alam MP Khalid Samad told The Malaysian Insider (Aug 30, 2009) about the section 19 temple issue:
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“They don’t have a right to reject a Hindu temple. Their right to have a surau has been fulfilled. Hindus also have a right to have a temple for the 3 sections and we also want to fulfil that right.
“The Hindus also don’t have the right to reject a surau and each community has a right to have a place if worship. We have fulfilled the right of the Muslims,” he said.
Khalid said the entire issue is a misunderstanding of rights.
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The MP argues, -”Hindus also have a right to have a temple for the 3 sections and we also want to fulfil that right”.
Then the MP tells the Hindus in section 19 to move their temple to section 23.
Don’t the Hindus living in section 19 have a right to have a temple of their own in section 19?
In which temple will the Hindus in section 19 go to pray if their temple has been moved to section 23?
We, the kampung folks want to know both sides of the story, – so we are asking.
So all you urbanites who have no kind words for anyone who disagrees with your opinions, give us the answers.
Why the contradiction?
Soondar,,
ENTEREPRENEURSHIP IS THE PR GOVERNMENTS OBJECTIVE
Finally u made sense for your own comments. U r GREAT MOSLIM. Selamat MONTH OF RAHEMDHAN
Your SYMPATHY OR RAHEM, for Sect 19 HINDUS, is well appreciated in fortress. The Hindus of Sect 19, with total respct to majority Moslims residing in Sect 19 have, sacrificed (not the cow’s head) to move the Hindu Koil to a more appropriate location. They are willing to travel the distance by taking the bus to Sect 23, where the bus stop destines, next to the temple. CLEARRRRRRR,,,,,,,, GOOD & THANK YOU.
Section 22 had a plot of Industrial Land for allocation, but the aminities, like necessities for prayer services were not feasable like, camphor, phull malai or garland of flowers, distance to travel to the location, cause there was no bus service and the area being an Industrial Plot does not bring logic to the senario. AGREED. Imagine if a place of worship of any religion is placed in an Industrial Plot. I am sure it is not noble to do this and due respects to any religon that teaches us HUMANITY.
We have to accept another fact of temple, mousques, churches, gurdwaras (rumah or ghar ibadet Sikhs), bhuddist temples, music concerts, merdeka celebrations, jom heboh, pasar tanis and others. These gatherings generate an entrepreneurship sense. We as Malaysians by watching it, will develop ideas of intelligence to do businesses. Kadang2 jodoh umur hidup, pun terjadi dari suasana begini.
Section 23 : consists of 120 houses with 40 being of Hindu origins and some chinese and the rest Moslims. The koil or temple is going to be 100 to 200 meters distance, from the houses, There is already a surau for Moslims. Try imagining how beneficial it can be during puasa month, when Muslims will sell in the Pasar Rahemdhan, not only to Moslims but all other races. Can u also imagine that should there be stalls by hindus, other races can buy tosai, italy, vareh for breakfast and evening tea, same to the chinese.
Did this senario ever come to these 50 ‘ULU ORANGS’ head or were they engrosed in the head of the poorly slaughtered cow, in NEGATIVE EMOTIONS AND THRUSTED TO THE STATE SECRATARIATE BUILD BY OUR TAXES MONEY.
This is the bottom issue to view, off course like I always beleive, to ‘STAND TO BE CORRECTED’
soondar…pemindahan kuil tersbut atas permintaan jawatankuasa kuil itu sendiri malah mereka telah memohon perkara tersebut selama 2 tahun sebelum ianya diputuskan. Saya tak dapat nak bagi link kpd artikel tersebut tetapi ianya bukan dibuat atas kemahuan kerajaan PR. so isu tidak menghormati kaum Hindu tidak timbul tetapi yang menimbulkan isu ini adalah yg berdemo dgn menggunakan isu keagamaan spt ini yg amat sensitif. Silap2 boleh kena dakwa atas Akta Hasutan nihh,….Sedangkan siTeresa DAP tu hanya tegur azan yang berkumandang terlalu kuat kerana masalah speaker pun boleh dithn bawah ISA…..inikan pula yg menimbulkan soal agama macam ni… Ini Islamic ke?
soondar. saya bukan org politik dan juga takdak PHD pun tapi saya berfikiran terbuka. Saya bukan penyokong PR atau UMNO tetapi dulu saya mengagumi Dr M. saya boleh buat perbandinga antara kerajaan BN dan PR, kerajaan BN lbh angkuh dan tidak begitu mendengar kehendak rakyat kecuali jika ianya melibatkan populariti. Kerajaan PR lebih realistik, saya tidak kata mereka perfect,tidak rasuah dan sebagainya tetapi pemerintahan PR jauh lebih jujur kepada semua bangsa dan agama. BN pula suka menangguk di air keruh. sekiranya ada isu yg melibatkan PR maka ianya akan disensasikan oleh pemimpin mereka dan diputarbelit oelh media mereka. dan org2 kpg macam kamu akan terus percaya dgn setiap yg dilaporkan …Wassalam.
Dear soondar
Your argument amazed me!. Are you now suggesting that the PR government 3 temples- One each in section19,22 and 23?
YB Khalid Samad said,”“They don’t have a right to reject a Hindu temple. Their right to have a surau has been fulfilled….”
You havent answered my question and had always digress from it. Please answer all my previous question. Please argue from the point of law, Quran and Hadith. PLEASE!
Btw, suroh orang islam di Seksyen 23 tu berhenti hisap rokok… Hukumnya HARAM!
Mau GLAMOUR, tidak kena pada tempat dan masa.
Nak ke NAMA, tidak pandai mencari ruang dan majlis.
Nak Jadi PAHLAWAN, gerak langkah serupa PONDAN.
Nak jadi JUARA , kepada siapa nak dibuktikan.
Jadi LUNCAI lagi bagus, biarkan terjun dengan LABUnya,
Jadi HIDUNG tak mancung, pipi yang tersorong.
Jadi BEROK lagi baik, boleh juga suruh panjat kelapa,
Jadi KERBAU lagi bagus bolih relek tak diperlu lagi membajak sawah.
Jadi TOYOL lagi loaded. kebas duit tiada siapa boleh cas.
Jadi MANUSIA pun tak guna, menyusah orang sahaja.
Dalam proses membersih dan menyuci kawasan yang selama ini kotor dan berbau, penuh dengan najis, bangkai dan sampah sarap.
Kelihatan sekarang banyak lubang yang terpaksa digali oleh kerajaan PR.
Untuk kambus semua NAJIS, BANGKAI dan SAMPAH yang kotor lagi busuk peninggalan KERAJAAN BN, ini perlu mengambil masa bukan sehari, seminggu malah bertahun.
Bagilah peluang kapada PR membuktikan bukan BN sahaja yang boleh memerintah Negara kita cintai ini.
Banyak lagi RAAYAT yang seratus kali lebih bijak, sempurna, berakhlakmulia, waras tidak gila kuasa. tidak rasuah, tidak berpurapura, tidak bermukamuka, tiada zina, tidak pandai bersendiwara, tiada pembunuh, tiada penipu tiada pendusta.
Cukuplah setakat ini sahaja kerja jahat yang BN lakukan.
Insaf insaflah serta banyak bertaubat dan ingatlah Tuhan senantiasa memerhati kita semua.
Ravi, I also live in a western country and agree with what you are saying. Why can you not see from a distance that this is a religious issue but politically motivated ? The UMNOputras feel so insulted to have an opposition party control a state right at their doorstep !!
Hi drrafick, I also served with TUDM in Labuan in the late sixties and the Orang Ulus’ are a breed of such a gentle and kind race. I could live with and amongst them !!!
Hi Harry
Not to mention the ladies are quite good looking and very hospitable!
Ohhhh!!!!!
Both of u had the creep to keep it away from me. I was there high and dry.
krishamudin said; KDN will not take any action about it, because it’s state gov. problem, doesn’t it smell fishy…
this sort demonstration violate national security cos’ it can cause backlash that can result in racial riaots if not nib from the buts.
Pemuda EXCO for 2008-2011, En. Sohaimi Shahadan was there too.
http://jilfityan.blogsot.com/2009/08/umno-nak-nafi-terlibat-dengan-perarakan.html
En. Sohaimi Shahadan http://i300.photobucket.com/al…z/sama.jpg
Pemuda Selangor dan Wilayah Persekutuan
Can you spot the fat fella and the tall fella?
http://www.pemudaumno.org.my/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=8293
http://shw.minaq-jinggo.fotopages.com/20971407.html
Timbalan Pengerusi PEWARIS ~ Rahimudin Mat Harun
http://shw.minaq-jinggo.fotopages.com/20971408.html
http://shw.minaq-jinggo.fotopages.com/19981475.html
Much as I endorse your very reasonable and decent standpoint, Dr Rafick, may I suggest you reconsider your co-opting of the term “Orang Ulu” to describe the aggressive mob that dumped the severed cow head at the gates of the Selangor state secretariat on Friday. As far as I know the Orang Ulu of Sarawak are generally polite and hospitable and welcoming towards strangers. Indeed, most folks who live in the rural areas tend to be more connected to the land and to old traditions. This mob was obviously being used by a certain party with a vested interest in stirring up animosity and fear amongst the various races to perpetrate their worn-out divide-and-rule formula. Who would think of harnessing the brute aggression of a mob to achieve their political goals, if not truly influential Mobsters belonging to that benighted party called Uncouth Mobsters, Nincompoops & Orcs? So if you’re going to label this mob, why not take a cue from the movie, Shrek, and call them “Lord Farquaard’s Dimwits from Duloc”?
Dear Antares!
The ‘cow-head’ farce is nothing but an incident of extreme provocation exhibited by unscrupulous matured bigots who are being used by UMNO to perpetrate racial and religious discriminations and tension whenever an opportunity arises. I dare say that the main hand behind this shocking display of barbaric bigotry belongs to that IDIOTIC MORON who goes by the name of Khir Toyo @ Toyol. This kind of mentality and mindset ingrained in the minds of this bunch of mis-led brainless fools will ultimately lead to the destruction of this nation. That will be a very sad day for beloved Malaysia.
Dear Antares
The sarawak ethnic group is called orang ulu and I am talking about “orang ulu”. My definition is clearly spelled in item 1 of the article. My orang ulu refers to group of people whose tinggal di ulu. In the kampung we use to say that orang ulu as orang yang “kolot” Trust this clarifies
We all know Dr. Rafick has no intention to undermine the good name of Orang Ulu of Sarawak.
This is simply not Dr. Rafick’s character. I know what you meant, doctor.
Thank you. Hope everyone sees it the way you did..
Doc R via blackberry….
Just checked out the meaning of “kolot” from bhanot’s dictionary (http://dictionary.bhanot.net/index.html)
And it stated “kolot” meant “old-fashioned, out-of-date”
These rascals don’t deserve such niceties. You are too kind Dr.
adakah kepercayaan orang islam begitu lemah sehinggakan nampak kuil sahaja boleh lupa diri ?? tetapi masalah sebenarnya ialah org – org jakun dan kurang ajar dalam video ini yang tidak lansung hormati kepercayaan lain dan cuba bohong dan memutar belitkan perkara betul sedangkan mereka baru sembahyang….
1. I don’t like temples, churches, mosques, schools, shoppping malls, kopitiams or anything that creates traffic jams, noises, smells close to my house.
2. But this has nothing to do with how religous I am. I just hate the jams, noises and smells. I want to have a piece of quite mind when I am home.
3. Any of the above will also lower my property price.
But they have nothing to do with religions.
Why the section 23 residents must make it to be a Malay, and Muslims issue?
There are many Mosques built in other non-Muslims majority areas. And worst, blasting the loud speaker so early in the morning to everyone in these non-Muslim areas. When I tried to rent out my PJ property (condominium) to the expats, they pointed a mosque very far away in PJ Section 5 and said that, “is that going to be noisy in the morning?” I had to quickly claim that, “you can hear it but it is not noisy if you sleep in the aircond on”.
So, shall we go further with these type of argument based on religions?
I have aplenty. I only believe that when I buy a property, I avoid all those amenities near to my property.. Otherwise, I will learn to live with it.
I will not chop down a cow’s head, neither will I burn a quran in protest.
Tan,,,,
Let me visualise the environment that you are creating.
A quiet, harmonious, peaceful, dragging out of bed till late hours of the morning, afternoon or evening, birds cherping away in the greenary of the trees, homes sentinialed by the rays of the sunlight, no loud noises of any form and not using any mufflers or ear plugs to catch up with, lost sleep.
All this to respect some people who, could have come back from after a grave yard shift, lorry drivers who would have come back from a long tiring journey from out stations, DJs that contribute to the economy, from the musics they spin, bar man-woman, waiteresses and waiters who serve customers, air stewards/stewardess as well as pilots after a long haul flight from overseas, soldiers that serve the borders while performing duties, in sleep deprivation and plenty more who are directly and inadvertantly contributing to GDP,,,but,,, are deprived of a GOOD REST after LONG ODD WORKING HOURS.
The IRONY OF IT IS, ALL THESE PEOPLE IN SILENCE, ALLOW THIS TO DISPICABLY INJURE THEMSELVES, EMOTIONALLY, PSYCHOLOGICALLY AND SOCIALLY, BUT WON’T SPEAK OUT, SO THAT NO UNTOWARD INCIDENT ARISES. GREAT PEOPLE.
HOW SELFISH WE ARE, SHOULD WE NOT ALLOW THEM TO ENJOY THE SAME PEACE TO REST, AS WE DO IN THE NIGHT WHEN EVERY DECIBLE OF SOUND IS SILENT?
I would view it as, we sensible people in cohort have / allow /accept, all places of prayers away from residential areas, in an allocated region and allow the privilage of god fearing people, to carry out their sermons in peace and tranquality. Simutenously, the tired minds can have a peaceful rest to recover, from the mental and physical exhaustion, they have gone through the night.
Open to comments.
tan
if i am not mistaken there is a very good quite place that you wish,it is somewhere on a hillside in nilai.very quite indeed even your next immediate neighbour wont even sneeze all year long except for one month in a year every relative will make a visit.the property value also high you know,not everybody can effeort to buy maa.
Correction Doc : Not as Lemah
Dear Doc;
Salaam & Happy Fasting.
Hopefully we can call for peace & peaceful solutions in this matter.
At times the Power of Love can be very Great that the Evil Proponents will fail in their endeavours.
Bertaubat & Bertaqwa kepada yang lemah semangat.
To the people who kept on attacking Dr R plz note that his Semangat is so Lemah like them.
Doc any comment on PKFZ & OTK? Need to hear your CSI input.
May you & your family be Blessed always
Drraffik
May I call your mental state as default mode and obselete . You mean which ‘Orang Ulu’ you are refering at ? What do you know about ‘Orang Ulu’ in Sabah or Sarawak ? You intended to degrade these protesters by likening them as the ‘Orang Ulu’ of your imagination. You are still believing that the ‘Orang Ulu’ behaviour are similar to these protesters.
I remember a parent from Perak, a Chinese, that disallowed at first her daughter to register as an undergraduate to University Malaysia Sabah because she was thinking and believed that Kota Kinabalu was a place where it’s very difficult to live for a Perak girl, that has been living in a modern state or town. She never know that Kota Kinabalu have more than a dozen supermarkets and malls to shop sundries for her daughter. Or that Kota Kinabalu is alive 24 hours. She also don’t even know that Kota Kinabalu is 2nd busy Inernational Airport in Malaysia or that have 5 Stars Resorts and Hotels.
This was told by her parent herself when she attended her graduation day.
The choice of “Orang Ulu” of Section 23 is not correct if you intend to shame them. Please update your ‘Database’ Drraffik. I’m on behalf of Orang Ulu is not happy the way you use ‘Orang Ulu’ to describe these misguided protesters.
Dear Orang Ulu
Please read my other explanation and item 1 again. Also please refer to Kamus Dewan Bahasa…
Soondar….mu ni cakap apanye…..????? tak faham kawan dgn apa yg mu dok ngoyak???
Kita ambik mudahlah, – YB Samad kata setiap komuniti ada hak bina tempat ibadat masing2 di kawasan tempat tinggal mereka, – dah tu kenapa suruh kuil tu pindah keluar daripada seksyen 19, – biar je lah kuil tu duduk kat seksyen 19.
Walaupun kita orang kampung tadak Ph.D macam awak semua, tapi kita ada akal, boleh pikir, boleh soal, -
Sekarang, mu jawablah, kalu memang benar mu orang bandar menghormati hak setiap komuniti mempunyai tempat ibadat di kawasan tempat tinggal masing2, kenapa suruh kuil tu pindah keluar dari seksyen 19?
Saudara soondar
(1) Kalau saudara baca penulisan YB Khalid, ada di nyatakan
(a) Kawasan Seksyen 19 telah di bangunkan oleh PKNS dan semasa pemerintahan BN telah kuil diarah pindah ke kekawasan industri di seksyen 22. Komuniti Hindu merayu agar di pindahkan ke kawasan yang lebih sesuai, tapi tidak di endahkan oleh kerajaan BN pada masa itu.
(b) Kerajaan PR pindahkan dari seksyen 22 ke seksyen 23 kerana tapak di seksyen 22 itu kawasan industri dan jauh dari kawasan kediaman
Penjelasan ini cukup jelas. Keputusan kerajaan PR sekarang membabitkan pemindahan dari seksyen 22 ke seksyen 23. Kawasan di seksyen 19 itu telah di cadangkan untuk di bangunkan oleh PKNS semasa di bawah pemerintahan BN dan pemindahan ke seksyen 22 dibuat walaupun komuniti Hindu tidak setuju. Memandangkan saudara ada akal, izinkan saya bertanya
(1) Kenapa tak boleh bina di seksyen 23?
(2) Kenapa sensitif sangat- ada pantang larang mengikut Quran dan Hadith ke?
I protest in the strongest tone possible, your calling them “Orang Ulu”. just because the orang ulu are not here to defend themselves does not mean you can look down on the orang ulu by comparing these nincompoops to orang ulu…
Dr Rafick….
These protesters just a disgrace to Islam. They dont really understand the Islamic teaching. However since you mentioned earlier that this protest was prearranged by certain group I really hope the police will do thorough investigations and never again cover up.
TQ
Apakah pegangan umat islam di Seksyen 23 di Shah Alam begitu lemah sehinggakan sebuah kuil Hindu yang akan dipindahkan ke situ mampu melemahkan akidah dan kekuatan agama mereka disitu ?
Apakah logiknya ?
Jikalau mereka ini begitu lemah, lebih baiklah ” orang2 Ulu ” di Seksyen 23 Shah Alam ni pergi ke Mekah untuk menguatkan pegangan agama sebelum melalak tidak menentu di Bangunan SUK Shah Alam !! Bangang !!
Dear Doc,
I do not agree with u on the usage of the term “Orang Ulu”. This is a term used for a number of indigenous people residing in the rural areas of Malaysia particularly in Sabah & Sarawak. The right term should be ” Anak Bapak Kurang Ajar ” or just “Binatang Kurang Ajar”. Sorry if admin think this is offensive.
Balasi,,
We have cleared the term ‘ORANG ULU’ in the context of this topic. For this topic the glossary of the term in West Malaysian Context is “when one of our friend or friends, behave weird we normally say, stop behaving like an ‘ORANG ULU’.
Now ‘ORANG ULU’ here is a behaviour, that is out of this world or a characteristic, that is ALIEN on MOTHER EARTH or among HUMAN BEINGS or TOWARDS ANIMALS.
The very essense of the word is behaving ALIEN and without any reference, to Intelligence of rural people. Lets accept a fact, how can ORANG ULU be a word or refrence that degrades a community, whether in the city or far away in the interior. My GOD, the inetrior people are more obidient and morally strong towards nature.
If u say use “Anak Bapak Kurang Ajar” it goes to say the Father is also involved and I don’t think we should blame the DAD. This bunch of guys are matured. “Binatang Kurang Ajar” is a phrase, in reality, cats and dogs are mans best friend.
So the term ‘ULU ORANG’ is only towards these guys for behaving ‘BEYOND HUMAN CONTEXTS, UNTOWARD RELIGION, ANIMAL AND FELLOW HUMAN BEINGS.
Dr. Amrit sekhon,
I still don’t agree because, u are confusing people here. So to make it simple let’s just call them ” Kurang Ajar ” or ” Bodoh Biadap” or try this ” Bangkai Bernyawa ” n this ” Bangsat Sewel”,…….anyway this is just to get to the point that what they did is most uncall for if not for them been paid.
Just call them UMNOputras!
Heii!!!!!! BennyG,,,
U sang my song.
As many has commented, this seems like a well organized and planned in advance. Though this incident is very much regretted, I think its aim is likened to killing killing two birds (or more) with one stone.
My guess is,destabilastion of PR states is the main objective.
Its not only Selangor, but also Penang. What a coincidence that KG. Buah Pala’s residence would be facing eviction come Sept 1? If there is anything that can whipped up emotions and hardened sentiments , then I think that cow incident could well do the trick.
I think,their lust for power override common sense, at the expense for a peaceful progressive Malalysia.
Justme,
It could be true….., but don’t make assumptions. Then again it could be true because of the slogan cry of UMNO ” Take Beer”
Salam to all,
Choose any term you like, but never use the term ‘orang ulu’ to describe those goons. What can be more ‘ulu’ than the our fellow citizens living in the jungle. However ulu they may be, they never behave like these goons, save the DBP dictionary, no justification needed. Orang ulu may not be educated in proper schools, but they do have morality, even those in the deep jungles of Papua New Guinea have traditions and their own way of solving problems, period!
These ‘people look alike’ goons are more likely mammals in the real senses. The difference between them and us is because we try to become human, hence act and behave like humans. Its a real challenge to be humans, no? Generally, majority of Muslims / Malays even in the ulus does not condone such a behavior, especially from people who claim to be of the same race and belonging to the same religion. Lets see how the authorities will handle this issue. Whatever, comes next GE, we’ll do our part.
Dr Rafick.
Our Para 9 n 10 makes me go mellow. We need people like u with such calibre……, I just hope Pakatan Rakyat in Selangor will appoint u to a Permanent post of Religious Chairman ( 4 all religion )
so that anybody who would wan’t to deliberate on religion comes to see u and not a dick from JAIS or MAIS and for any matter HYO and all other religions in Selangor. Hope the HRHof Selangor will consent to it. YB Khalid….think about it.
soondar, dr doh tanya mu banyok kali doh tuh! tulo la royak bui..bakpo dok konar kok lain nyoh
Sanusi,
Bahasa apa u menulis, kuching saya pun tak faham. Lain kali tulis sampai bolih faham orang….baru, nanti anjing saya atau kuching saya bolih jawab.
“They don’t have a right to reject a Hindu temple. Their right to have a surau has been fulfilled. Hindus also have a right to have a temple for the 3 sections and we also want to fulfil that right.
“The Hindus also don’t have the right to reject a surau and each community has a right to have a place if worship. We have fulfilled the right of the Muslims,” he said.
Khalid said the entire issue is a misunderstanding of rights. – Malaysian Insider Aug 30 2009
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Kita ambik mudahlah, – YB Samad kata setiap komuniti ada hak bina tempat ibadat masing2 di kawasan tempat tinggal mereka, – dah tu kenapa suruh kuil tu pindah keluar daripada seksyen 19, – biar je lah kuil tu duduk kat seksyen 19.
Walaupun kita orang kampung tadak Ph.D macam awak semua, tapi kita ada akal, boleh pikir, boleh soal, -
Sekarang, mu jawablah, kalu memang benar mu orang bandar menghormati hak setiap komuniti mempunyai tempat ibadat di kawasan tempat tinggal masing2, kenapa suruh kuil tu pindah keluar dari seksyen 19?
Soondar,
Mungkin awak betul…kekalkan Kuil Hindu diSekysen19…..,tunggu YAM Khalid. mana tahu beliau ada idea yang lebih waras.
Hassan Ali is suddenly very quiet. I wonder what he is up to. We are still waiting for Zul Nordin to pop up his ugly head to make his predictably outrageos statement.
BamBam33,
What can u expect from HA, who has no principles in life
….except to be a MB to brush BN balls. Thank God all his effort has fallen on his face so far……..next it will fall on his Dick.
Dear Dr. Rafick,
These are the real enemies of our community and country. With these type of people around, we will never be able to enjoy peace and harmony in this country.
They do not deserve to be Malaysians at all. They have degraded and shamed us as Malaysians. As to whether they are really Muslims, the TV clip has provided us a clear evidence for us to conclude. Is there any religion that preaches hate? I suggest MAIS or IKIM haul them in for “counselling” or charge them for shaming Islam. This behaviour is worse than fornicating in public.
May God guide us all.
peace
Capt Sedov
Dear All
Another proof that the event was well organized..
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_VeYBf0DSz50/SpitE7f2f8I/AAAAAAAAJ2Q/xZTD2LVTQ54/s1600-h/surat.JPG
At the rate we are churning out godspeed world feats of the
wrong species every other day for global entertainment, we
automatically deserve a mention in the GUINNESS BOOK OF
INFAMOUS WORLD RECORDS ala Malaysia.
By the use of the terminology “orang ulu” to describe these hooligans is a big disservice to the orang ulu who though materially worse off than a lot of the city folks, is much more civilised and tolerant of other peoples’ culture, race and religion. “Barbarians” or “hooligans” would be more appropriate words. Please do not insult the “orang ulus” by associating them with hooliganism and barbarianism.
Hi JL
You need to differentiate the phrase “Orang Ulu” and the ethnic group of Orang Ulu.
A good DBP dictionary would be useful for you..
Doc,
Most of us here don’t rely on DBP….., then u know the out come……, so let’s just say we use another term exceptable by all Malaysians.
Dr.Rafick,
I think Jeffrey was saying that people who are ulu – living far from towns and cities – are not hooligans and barbarians and should not be associated with the people such as those cow head demonstrators.
I had tried a few online malay-english dictionary and was unable to find the word “ulu”. One reference I did find was with regard to ulu knife – knife used by the orang ulu.
My trusty old malay-english dictionary is no where to be found.
Hi MD
LOL
The ulu pisau is not spelled as ulu but Hulu . It refers to the handle part of the knife…
Doc R via blackberry….
Jeffrey,
I had lived in the cities all my life and recently moved to a kampung. Life here is simple and people are simple and it is not so much tolerance of others that they live in harmony with others. The simplicity of their life made it such that there is a lot of space for them to accept others. At the same time there is also a lot of space for them to accept bad ideas and notions by people who wanted to use them for selfish political reasons. This doesn’t mean that they are stupid.
Orang kampung are not “ulu”
Doc R via blackberry….
Ajaran ugama saya mengajar umatnya supaya sentiasa menggunakan “kepandaian” (wisdom) masing-masing dalam apa keadaan pun supaya dapat menjalankan tugas harian dengan harmoni dengan manusia, binatang-binatang, kehidupan-kehidupan lain yang juga berhak berada di alam dunia ini. Ianya juga menasihatkan kami supaya menganlisa ajaran-ajarannya sebelum menjadikannya sebagai panduan hidup kami. Pendekata, ia tidak mahu kami menerima ajaran-ajarannya secara buta (blind faith) tanpa memahaminya.
Kalau saya membandingkannya dengan ajaran-ajaran Islam, saya diberitahu oleh kawan saya yang bernama Atika dimana dia beritahu saya semua insan di dunia ini adalah ciptaan Allahswt. Yang bezanya, kita manusia telah dikurniakan “akal”. Perkataan “akal” ini, kalau saya bandingkanya dengan “kepandaian” atau “wisdom”, adalah membawa makna yang sama.
Jadi, sebenarnya ajaran-ajaran ugama saya sebenarnya berlandasan kepada prinsip-prinsip yang sama. Yang penting ialah kita umat ugama masing-masing sentiasa menggunakan “akal” yang dikurniakan pada kehidupan harian masing-masing.
Alangkah baik kita semua melihat dari sudut ini kerana saya berpendapat ugama-ugama di dunia ini adalah mempunyai tujuan yang sama.
Kita sememangnya bertimbang rasa semasa menjalankan ibadat ugama kita masing-masing dan sentiasa peka dengan keadaan yang kita alami. Kalau tidak, apa gunanya “akal” kita?
Jadi, bagi kes pindahan kuil, seharusnya kita mesti menggunakan “kepandaian” kita supaya memahami latar-belakang kewujudan kuil Hindu dan mengapa ianya dicadangkan berpindah ke Section 23 Shah Alam. Saya berpendapat penerangan yang diberi oleh YB Khalid Samad itu adalah jelas dan berasas.
Adakah penduduk-penduduk Section 23 Shah Alam sudah membaca penjelasan YB Khalid Samad? Kalau belum, saya mencadangan kamu membacanya, dan kalau tidak setuju dengan penjelasan selepas membacanya, bentangkan sebab-sebab mengapa tidak setuju. Demonstrasi dengan kepala lembu dengan kemarahan dan tomahan benci sepatutnya tidak patut dilakukan dari sudut ajaran ugama.
Kita semua sayang ugama kita masing-masing dan tindak-tanduk kita akan memberi persepsi-persepsi yang salah terhadap ajaran ugama kita. Berinsaflah kalau kita membuat dosa. Insan mana yang tidak membuat dosa? Yang penting, insaf dan mengaku salah.
Pendekata, gunalah “kepandaian” atau “akal” yang dikurniakan Tuhan.
Amin… itu sebab saya suruh depa belajar maksud perkataan Iqra
Iqra? Boleh beri penerangan lanjut?
Dr. Rafick,
Sudah lama saya tidak guna Bahasa Malaysia dalam tulisan. Harap maaf jikalau susunan tulisan saya ini tidak lancar.
Tujuan saya kali ini menulis dalam BM kerana saya ingin mesej saya yang bertujuan baik supaya dapat dibaca oleh kawan-kawan kita yang tidak fasih dalam Bahasa Inggeris.
Kalau kita imbas kembali apa yang berlaku kebelakangan 50 tahun lebih, polisi seperti Dasar Ekonomi Baru yang bertujuan membasmi kemiskinan, tidak kira bangsa dan ugama, sebenarnya adalah berlandaskan konsep-konsep murni ugama-ugama yang wujud di negara kita ini. Tetapi, perlaksanaannya yang jadi masaalah dan telahpun menyebabkan ketidak-adilan yang sangat ketara.
Kes-kes robohan kuil-kuil yang terdiri di atas tanah estet telahpun dijadi “haram” selepas estet-estet tersebut telahpun digantikan dengan kawasan perumahan. Kalau proses sedemikian mengambil kira hak-hak rakyat-rakyat Hindu, masalah sedemikian seharusnya tidak berlaku.
Jadi, siapa yang salah? Ugama-ugama kita yang bersalah? ataupun umat-umatnya?
Bagi saya, saya tidak kira siapa yang menakbir ehsan-ehsan negara ini, tetapi mesti dengan telus dan saksama. Kalau masjid-masjid didirikan dengan wang-wang cukai yang dikutip daripada semua rakyat termasuk Hindu, adakah tidak juga pemindahan ataupun pembinaan kuil-kuil dan rumah-rumah ibadat dibiayai ehsan-ehsan negara.
Jadi, pendapat saya ialah, jikalau Umno dan BN masih menaruh harapan menakbir negara ini, mereka seharusnya melaksaankan polisi-polisi secara telus dan saksama terhadap semua rakyat, tidak kira kaum dan ugama.
Rambut sama hitam, tetapi hati lain-lain. Inilah yang sama-sama kita saksikan dimana juga, dalam BN ataupun PR. Yang penting, kita mesti melihat kembali kelakuan-kelakuan kita masing-masing supaya tidak teruskan kelakuan dosa-dosa kita semua.
Dr R, I come across your blog accidentally via MT and have been coming back quite regularly, to strenghtened my faith that in this crazy world, there are still voices of reason and wisdom and see things with macro view.
There will always be extremist at the both ends, hard core and “buta tuli” – it is the middle ground, or on the fence people that we have to strive to make them see, not be shepherded into one or the other extreme.
PR and Selangor Govt might not be the best, YET, but I am willing to give them at least 2 terms to right some wrongs. So far, they (and the other PR state) are more people centric and service centric compared to previous (they) take it or (they) leave it government. Please do not let devil into the state secretariat building, now that it has been exorcised!!
My two cents worth here d’frog prince
drdrafik,
Thank you again for the apology. I believe this is the 2nd time you apologized. This clearly shows that it was just some morons acting for bigger orang utans to wash their dirty linen in public.
People all over the world are laughing at this country – 1Malaysia.
Then comes an idiot ….Aniza, from NST of course writing crap which she can swallow.
You can see it all here:
http://www.anonparisan.blogspot.com
The people who participated in this so UNHOLY act can fast 24 hours a day but their sins will never be washed away! What if the insulted party decides to carry the head of another ANIMAL in retaliation? Will the police be similarly INACTIVE??????
does not matter which political parties these monkeys come from. Their behaviour is utterly despicable and in every way unIslamic.
what more, in the Ramadhan month? good for them. I pity their children for having such horrible fathers. Only know how to propagate hate. What more, with battlecry for bloodshed!
Sick, pathetic morons.
human itself who make non-sensitive issue to become sensitive, who’s to blame for?
After all, a temple is just a building which is made from certain materials, it’s nothing more than that.
Building itself will not cause a threat, also it will not hurt the feeling of others, it’s the person who is hurting his own feeling.
There is a saying in chinese
“if you open your palm, you have the world;
if you clench into a fist, you have nothing”.
West Malaysians came to know of, Orang ULU in Sarawak after 1963 despite, the people having been there for centuries. Highest respects, to Idris Jalil and to all Origins of Orang UlU Sarawak. We don’t and never will, view anybody of your society or community or people at large, in bad or in an offensive light.
In West Malaysia we commonly use ‘ULU’ on someone or to a group, in terms of their, untoward behaviour or manner, as displayed by the group, in the You Tube above.
Should a friend or even an unknown were to behave as if possesed by something strange or, that is out of the world. You can say its like an alien, not familiar with earthlings and they act strange. We will tease them by saying, “stop behaving ‘ULU’.
I hope this sheds light on the term ‘ULU”, used by Dr. Rafick in the context of this write up.
I hope I am not wrong to say that, he does not mean to supress or oppress any society or community.
Lets be fair to credit him for all his efforts that, he is putting in to make Malaysians Live in a peaceful enviroment.
Dr amrit ji
Shukran.. Tq well described… I tot all malaysian knows but apparently not..
Doc R via blackberry….
Dr. Rafick Ji,
Adab-Sar Sri Akal-Rab Rakha. Always Welcomed Comrade.
I suppose West Malaysians are aware but maybe, were not sure how to place the right words.
Aparently, I have to thank my son, because 2 days ago he forced me to go and see the movie “District 9″. That movie added value to the fact, that you were trying to relay.
Pelangisenja,,,,
Ha..ha..ha..ha..not Bollywood, but this time the plot was from Hollywood.
Dr amrit ji,
Shukran…sukran for clearing the confusion about Orang Ulu and the real intended meaning of the word “orang ulu” by our respected Drrafick. we in west malaysia as you pointed out used the word ulu to describes our friends ‘state of mentality’ whenever they do something awkward.we say it jokingly without malice to point out his or her mistake so that it can be corrected.we never ever say that to compare them with Orang Ulu of Sarawak.
i think that there are readers of drrafick’s blog who simply try to belittle his intelligent by portraying his writing also belittle other race by using the word “orang ulu”.
anyway dr amrit ji,at least your son succesfully “forced” you to change your masala,i mean from bollywood to hollywood masala….sukran2…nice to have a family outing.
Dr Rafick/ Dr Amrit,
When we write on the context of Malaysia in the whole….we cannot use this term, it’s just to much of a insult. Please don’t expect Malaysians to know n understand because u tot they would. This is not the case…., just come up with a better term.
Balasi,,,,
Ok!!!! Take a look at any book or even a novel. When the writter starts, he defines a few things that prevents him from being littigated. So, what does the writter do to absolve himself from guilt or blame?
He defines the words in his script. Dr. Rafick has distinguishly
defined its appropriate usage in Point 1. Why should we be harping on something that has been put on slate, for evrybody to refer.
PLEAAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSEEEEE STAY FOCUSED ON THE 50 ‘ULU ORANGS’, DEMANOUR OR BEHAVIOUR, THAT RESULTED THE WORD BEING USED ON THEM AND NOT INSULTING ANY COMMUNITY.
THANK YOU,,I undestand your concern is noble towards the peole of the respective regions, but it has been clarified, lets move on.
Dr Amrit/Dr Raffick,
In the days gone by, when a lot of this blog readers were not born yet, we referred “ulu” as being out of date, backward, not in the grove etc as Dr Amrit has explained.
Little did we Orang Malaya know that there were actual people named Orang Ulu leaving in East Malaysia until 1963 when this orang Malaya went there.
Dr Rafficks orang ulu definitely does not refer to the East Malaysians.
This orang west has spent nearly 30 years among the Sabah & Sarawak people and they one of the most humble, polite and friendly people you will ever meet.
Guys, I am another one of those who wore the uniform for King & Country.
Mohd Comrade,,
Welcome to the world of cyberspace,
Lets make Malaysia a better and loving place.
You know war never begins and never ends for a soldier, though the battle is won.
Ya!!! I did meet Sabahans at large but never sort of split hairs to know the suku kaum,,but,,,on the whole I enjoyed meeting the people and their hospitality from every sphere. As for their feel towards another human or his race, religion and believes, it was magnamous,,,,, if life permits I would very much, like to move to East Malaysia,,,No,,no, no,, I won’t forget West Malaysia.
Thanks again comrade. A Salute to you and the Flag.
You said “No where it is mentioned that Muslims have the right to deny the non Muslim to practice their faith. Islam thought us to be fair against the Non Muslims”.
Bro, are you sure you know your Quran?
Dear RPK Wannabe
Yes I am sure.
Those banners were not slipshod ones, they were good, ones specially made of plastic. The banner TAKE BEER was also used in Permatang Pasir by Umno. I believe Umno is behind this.
Dear KB
Very observant.
It is so organized & advance planning involved because
(1) Banner was prepared in advance
(2) Almost all media including Malaysiakini was invited
(3) They went to “slaughter” a cow and brought the head!
.. definitely not impromptu
Btw, read Malaysiakini where MP of Shah Alam gave evidence of UMNO involvement
http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/index.php/malaysia/36397-shah-alam-mp-blames-umno-for-cow-head-protest
Doc, I certainly agreed with your opinion. I don’t blame the residents of sect 23 Shah Alam. It is only a handfull of ‘cow dung’ headed individuals who claimed to be protector of Malay and Islam that had organized the demonstration and as a consequence managed to tarnish the image of Islam. It is just stupid, irresponsible, uncivilized and pure arrogance act that had been well published and circulated in the world wide web. I believed the people of Malaysia especially the residents of Shah Alam do not condon such demonstration. I would like to see that the relevant authority will do justice by making the organizers pay for their misconduct.
Its really sad to see Malaysia degrading to extremism and no tolerance. I am a Malaysian who lives overseas in a Westen country. In this Western country the Muslim population is 1% and Non-Muslim is 99%. But they are free to build thier Mosque anywhere they like. In fact there are quite a few mosques. Should we destroy these mosques because 99% of the population is non-muslim? Everyone has a right to worship, it is a GOD given right, GOD has given man freedom to choose. These kind of acts do not promote Islam but rather give them negative pubilicity. I believe not all Malays are like that, but sad to see so much intolerance in Malaysia today. What is the point of religion if it brings fighting and intolerance among the people GOD created. Should we not be kind and compassionate to one another irrespective of race or religion. Whether one likes it or not Malaysia is compromised by different religions and diffeent races.
tapak perumahan asal sek 23 adalah tempat pembuangan sampah dan loji najis yg besar sebelum di litup dgn tanah dan di buat rumah mungkin toxic dari dalam tanah dah masuk dalam otak mereka ini kot……. itu le sebab mereka melenting,,,,,,,,
Che Kassim,
Jika apa yang di sebut tu betul mereka ni lah buat nasi jadi bubur. Makluk perosak ni patut di buag keahlian dari parti masing2. PR untuk rakyat dan di beri kepercayan untuk satu Malaysia bererti rakyaat menjadi satu walu pun berbagai kaum dan agama. Tetapi makluk seperti ni menjadi perosak polisi PR.
Mereka ni seperti kata dalam bahasa Cina “Lang boh ti lang, Koi boh ti koi” bererti mereka ni ” Manusia pun bukan, hantu pun bukan” jadi tak tahu lah makluk apa…..
The hooligans who led the protest march insulted the very grass root sentiments of the Hindu religion. We do not need to sit down at the table to negotiate with mongrels who are a bunch of fundamentalists. The police should arrest and charge these protesters for inciting racial intolerance. Why did the police and FRU stand by in silence and watch this outrageous behaviour? Is the concept of 1Malaysia based on racial discrimination? Is the PM Najib delusional or is he plain dumb? The Govt. has allocated land for the relocation of the temple. If the protesters don’t like it – THEY should move out of Section 23. The temple existed in the area even before the scavenging scumbag protesters were born. We do not have to always give the other cheek – we have our rights as citizens of Malaysia. The two guys carrying the head of the sacred cow look like gutless pondans. Shame on the PDRM and FRU – why do we tax payers fund such negligent morons who do not carry out their rightful duties? Enough of Kowtow. (text deleted by admin) Malaysia belongs to all Malaysians irrespective of race, caste or creed!!!
The Orang Ulu are a tribal group living peacefully in the interior of the State of Sarawak. Why may I ask is their name being used to characterize those few folk in Section 23 Shah Alam who are behaving badly because of they oppose plans to build a Hindu Temple in their area?
Please read Item No 1 on my reference on the phrase “Orang Ulu”. I believe it is quite clear…
Dr.Rafick, this is not for posting. Orang Ulu is a term to mean a group of the ethnic folks in Sarawak. They are very progressive and great people of Sarawak, Idris Jala is a Kelabit one of the Orang Ulu. read http://www.journeymalaysia.com/MCUL_orangulu.htm. The Iban and Bidayoh are not included in this group. Thus the ethnic group are Iban, Bidayoh and Orang Ulu. Thanks.
Dear Pak Idrus (@papa Ogy)
Thank you for info. As mentioned I know and have met this people of sarawak.
I am not talking abt Orang Ulu but “Orang Ulu”.. Do u see the difference here…
Doc R via blackberry….
Dr.Rafick,
The word “ulu” meant a place far from towns or cities. The disparaging meaning that you perhaps hope to convey was the “village idiot” mentality. What these people did were nothing like a village idiot or for that matter any idiot. It was a calculated act of provocation carried out with malice and hatred. No association or metaphor could describe or even needed. Only humans are capable of such cold calculation.
Doc/ Morningdew,
I just don’t agree….., please be informed that this blog is been followed not only in West but also in East Malaysia…, aslo in some other parts othe world.
It’s onlly fair that we use a phrase that does not involve anyone in particular but that point directly at the culprit.
Not all that follow this blog can fully digest what your real intentions are. Get me.
Sorry for the spellings errors.
pandai pun…
Balasi,
You are casting too many side issues and projections on to the simple use of the word. Why do you think Dr.Rafick should write with foreigners in mind ? It is a local issue written by a local and for all intents and purposes for the local readers.
You are right in saying we never really know the motives and intentions of people’s heart. Such are the deviousness of the HUMAN heart.
Doc
Pakai la orang cacat otak.
Hah.. “ORANG ULU” ….a good term Doc..
Cheers
SimoneK
Every time an incident like the one in Shah Alam happens I say to myself : “No hope for this country”
Then I read something like the above written by a Muslim and I say to myself : “There is still hope for this country”
All this yo-yo effect is giving me a headache and I hope it does not go on too often. Unfortunately I know it won’t stop anytime soon.
Besides Hassan Ali, I believe many people would also like to hear Zulkifli Noordin’s views. I just went to the zul4kulim blog. So far he is very quiet on this issue. Very surprising considering that normally he does not fail to jump into the fray on anything concerning the rights of Muslims.
Dear Sir,
I’ve two issues to raise here. (1) the “orang Ulu” term that you use. Orang ulu is one of the native in Sarawak. They are nice and telorance people, 100% in contras with these muslim extremists.
(2) Muslim is majority in Peninsular but not in Sarawak. But we christians are more telorance. We never do this type of barbaric actions eventhough the mosque is built next to our house.
Come and visit Sarawak and see its by yourself.
Dear Remaung6 renjer
(1) I have met the Sarawak Orang Ulu during my tour of duty in Labuan with TUDM. I provided some medical evacuation for the people in the interior of Sabah and Sarawak.
(2) I believe others has explained the meaning of “Orang Ulu”
Doc,
What year were you in Labuan?
Dahlah tu, cakap sekali dua tu cukuplah.
Bukan macam kerajaan negeri Selangor tu takde yang salah.
Kalau MB Khalid dah handle dari awal kes ni, takde lah pulak peluang sape2 nak tunjuk perasaan.
Ni lepas jadi macam ni baru nak buat town hall meeting, – buat apa, nasi sudah jadi bubur.
Bimbang you all carry on kutuk dia orang, ada pulak pihak yang melenting, jadi gaduh besar pulak.
Cakap sekali dua tu cukuplah.
Betul cakap u.. Cakap sekali dua cukup.. Saya baru cakap dua kali
Cuba jelaskan dimana silap kerajaan negeri di dalam perkara ini.
Dr Rafick
Doc R via blackberry….
Betul jugak yek awak cakap, kerajaan Selangor mana ada buat salah dalam hal ini, – kita je kot pikir dia orang tidak cekap jadi kerajaan.
Takpelah, ambik ke mu lah, kerajaan Selangor takde buat salah, – yang dok seksyen 23 semua buat salah.
Soondar
Saya tanya sekali lagi tuan, Tolong nyatakan dimana salah dan silapnya?
Ini laporan ke-2 yang disiarkan The Malaysian Insider mengenai insiden protes itu pada 28/8/09:
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SHAH ALAM, Aug 28 – Dr Xavier Jayakumar tonight joined the chorus of state leaders calling for calm, following the desecration of a cow’s head outside the state secretariat.
“I call on everyone to remain calm and not to react or be provoked by the incident.”
The state executive councillor said he would personally meet the Selangor police chief to convey the sentiments of the Indian community.
“We should let the police handle the matter.”
The act, which is offensive to Hindus who regard the animal as sacred, was carried out by a group of 50 Malay-Muslim protesters who oppose the relocation of a Hindu temple to Section 23.
Xavier said the actions of the protesters were unacceptable and the police should act against the organizers.
The protest have cast a dark clowd over the country which is supposed to celebrate Merdeka in a few days.
Xavier said 52-years of racial harmony had been jeopardised by the actions of the group.
Today incident is believed to have been provoked by hardliners opposed to the Pakatan Rakyat (PR) state government.
The site of the current Sri Mahamariamman Temple is located at Section 19.
The 150-year-old temple was built on a plantation which over the years was developed into housing estates by the Selangor Development Corporation (PKNS).
No provisions were made to relocate the temple which is now in the middle of a Muslim majority area.
The previous Barisan Nasional (BN) administration had planned to relocate the temple to an industrial site in Section 22 but the location was deemed too far away.
After March 8 last year, the Pakatan Rakyat (PR) state government decided to move the temple to Section 23 which they felt was more conducive.
Locals who spoke on condition of anonymity said the issue had been blown out of proportion due to the interference from outsiders.
“The decision to move the temple to the proposed site in Section 23 was taken because the area actually has a 40 per cent Hindu population.”
He said initially those who are opposed to the temple said it should not be built there because it has a 60 per cent Malay majority, subsequently it became 70 per cent and today it’s 90 per cent.
“Some of those who gathered outside the state secretariat today were not even from Section 23.”
Meanwhile a spokesman said the state government has been consistent in their stand to relocate the temple.
However they are still open to discussions and have not closed their ears and minds to anyone.
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Dalam perenggan 13, ada disebut tindakan yang dicadangkan/diputuskan (?) kerajaan BN sebelum Mac ’08.
Jika tidak benar maklumat dalam perenggan 13 itu, kenapa pulak penduduk seksyen minta rujuk balik keputusan asal?
Apa keputusan asal yang dimaksudkan oleh penduduk seksyen 23?
Perenggan akhir, – apakah itu sepatutnya jawapan daripada sebuah kerajaan negeri mengenai sesuatu isu yang sebegini sensitif, – apatah lagi isu ini berlarutan sudah hampir 2 bulan?
Kerajaan PR Selangor ini kerajaan Reaktif atau kerajaan Proaktif, – kita tengok macam sama je dengan kerajaan BN.
Tapi takpelah, kita ulang sekali lagilah, kot yang kita kata tadi tu mu tak paham, – kerajaan Selangor mu ni mana ada buat apa2 kesalahan, – semua kesalahan penduduk seksyen 23 yang buat.
Ambik ke mu lah yek, mu orang cerdik pandai, – kita orang kampung ni bodoh2 belaka.
Kenapa kamu sensitif sangat kuil di seksyen 23… Yang nak dibina ini tempat sembahyang.. Tempat meningkat kerohanian orang hindu.
Kuil itu akan jadikan penduduk berdekatan itu orang hindu ke? Takkan lemah sangat iman penduduk seksyen 23.
Asalnya kuil dicadangkan di letakkan di dalam kawasan industri. Kuil tempat beribadat jadi tak sesuai la letak disitu. Keputusan BN tu salah..
Setujukah anda Masjid atau surau dibina jauh dari kediaman dan di dalam kawasan industra?
Sekali lagi saya pinta- tolong perjelaskan dimana salah kerajaan didalam perkara ini.Harap beri penjelasan dan bukan sindiran.
Doc R via blackberry….
(i) The site of the current Sri Mahamariamman Temple is located at Section 19.
(ii) The 150-year-old temple was built on a plantation which over the years was developed into housing estates by the Selangor Development Corporation (PKNS).
(iii) No provisions were made to relocate the temple which is now in the middle of a Muslim majority area.
(iv) The previous Barisan Nasional (BN) administration had planned to relocate the temple to an industrial site in Section 22 but the location was deemed too far away.”
(v) After March 8 last year, the Pakatan Rakyat (PR) state government decided to move the temple to Section 23 which they felt was more conducive.”
(0) Yang The Malaysian Insider tulis dalam perenggan (iv) itu benar ke salah?, – kalau benar sape yang buat keputusan “was deemed too far away” tu?, – itu ke keputusan yang diungkit penduduk seksyen 23?, itulah 3 soalan kita.
(1) Takde pun sape2 sindir2 kat mu, – pun takde sape2 jadi sensitif buat kuil kat mana2 pun, – mu buatlah kat sekyen 19 ke, seksyen 22 ke, seksyen 23 ke, kita nak duli gapenya?
(2) Kalu tanya kita, bakpenya suruh kuil tu pindah?, – bukan ke kuil itu tempat Tuhan dia orang?, mu paham ke dak peri pentingnya “tapak” kuil tu kepada orang dia? – mana boleh saje2 suruh pindah tempat “bertapak” Tuhan dia orang?, bukan ke itu tak hormat ugama dia orang kalu suruh Tuhan dia pindah2 tempat ikut suka hati kerajaan Selangor, – mana boleh buat macam tu?, – itu kerajaan Selangor lagi lah tak hormat ugama Hindu, mu paham ke tak tu?
(3) Masa pemilik rumah kat seksyen 19 beli rumah dia orang daripada PKNS, dia orang tahu ke tidak kuil tu ada kat situ?, – itu apa ceritanya?, – macam mana jalan ceritanya untuk pemilik rumah dengan PKNS?, – bukankah PKNS itu di bawah kerajaan Selangor jugak?
(4) Itulah yang kita orang kampung bodoh2 belaka ni nak tanya kat orang bandar yang cerdik pandai macam mu tu, – bakpenya nak nuduh kita menganjing ke mu.
Takkan kita tanya pun, kita kena marah, apake bendanya orang bandar gitu?
Soondar,
U lari dari tajuk…, Dr. tanya sebab kuil itu tidak bolih dipindahkan ke sek23. itu saja, hilang ke kealiman orang muslim sana sekira kuil itu ditempatkan disana.
Kuil itu bukan makna tuhan mereka bertata disana hanya tempat beribadat, tempat untuk sembayang beramai ramai, macam muslimin berkunjung ke masjid pada hari Jumaat.
Mengikut Agama Hindu, kuil itu sebagai satu tempat fokus kepada Tuhan yang maha Esa. Tuhan bukan bertata disana….ini lah taksiran ramai yang tidak mengetahui.
Soondar…..u baik tanya Toyol hal kuil Sek19, nanti dia akan bawak awak ke Palace dia di Shah Alam dan akan memberi awak taklimat yang awak kehendaki. ….dont forget to take ur swiming trunks with u so that u can dip in his pool .
Dr, once again thanks for the good write up. Perhaps you have to make a little clearification about the term ‘orang ulu’ as there is another tribal in Sarawak, northern part, called Orang Ulu as in their language.
http://www.journeymalaysia.com/MCUL_orangulu.htm
Jangan jadi mbodoh menghina Orang Ulu. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orang_Ulu
Dan jangan ingat orang umno tong taik saja yang bodoh. Ramai juga budak2 PR yang asalnya dari parti itu dan membawa perangai taik sampai bila-bila.
Salam Ramadan Dr
Sila siasat semada ini betul atau palsu
“Pasti mereka terperanjat jika diberitahu bahawa Pengerusi kumpulan penduduk ini adalah Mahyuddin Manap, kini ahli PKR Wangsa Maju.
Naib Pengerusi, Ibrahim Sabri adalah penyokong Anwar Ibrahim dan penggiat Reformasi yang pernah keluar masuk lokap.
Orang yang membaca doa di masa perarakan pun adalah ahli PAS yang dipercayai dipanggil orang sebagai Amin”
PAS hasn’t comment on this issue yet, I wonder why.
Saya betul-betul harap PAS bukan dalang untuk semua ini.
Dear Chiew
Mee too!