1. Last night I received an email from an anonymous (Lets call him Mr. A) person who claims to be working with the mainstream media. I am not sure whether it is true or not but he claims that all MSM media will be running stories in the next few days that the wound on TBH base left hand (the media will say wrist) will be played up as a sign of suicide. It dawn upon me that I have not said anything about the triangular mark on the right hand.
2. My initial assessments without an image magnifier suggest that it could be some sort of a stain. With a magnifier, several important points could be highlighted. The first being, the location of the wound is not on the wrist but at the base of the right hand.
3. Secondly, the wound looks like a jagged wound and not a clean cut with blood dripping towards the center of the palm. It certainly looks like a deep laceration wound but then one thing that strikes me is that the amount of blood is minimal.
4. For a deep laceration wound, one would expect large amount of blood and blood clot over the wound. It was not there. Why? This is indeed a tough question to answer and there are several possibilities that can explain the nature and severity of the wound.
5. Firstly it could be that injury to the hand occurred after he died! Going by the nature of the wound on the right hand, it could have scraped a sharp object as he was being moved. Could it be that the sharp object is actually the retained portion of the broken window latch?
6. The other explanation is that it is simply a superficial laceration and as such the bleeding is minimal. Whether it is a superficial (shallow) or a deep laceration, it is not a clean cut. It looks like it has scraped against a sharp object. It does not look like a cut on the wrist.
7. Certainly if someone wants to commit suicide he will not cut there. It is just far too far (distal) from the wrist line where the major blood vessels are located. The cut would be from a sharp object and it would be a clean cut. If the person is right handed the cut would be on the left. I am not sure if TBH is right or left handed.
8. Some readers have postulated that the body was carried and placed at the site where the body was found. Humbly, I beg to differ. There are just too many tell tale signs to suggest that he had a fall from height.
9. Some readers suggested that a metal piece that was lying on the ground is not a watch and suggested that it could be a part of the window. I disagree that it is part of the window based on the color of the material alone.
10. With the help of a magnifier, I had a chance to have a closer look at the brightly shining object. What I saw is a metallic chromed object which may look like a watch or a bracelet. There is another thing that I saw on the object which looks like an image of Charlie Chaplin. I had magnified it for the readers to judge. Now I am not exactly sure what it is but I still have a strong believe that it is a watch. I might be wrong. At this stage, I believe suicide theory is definitely out.
11. I was alerted by some readers on the existence of a new blog which has made serious allegations against 2 DAP State Exco members on purportedly explaining “DAP corruption modus operandi” in Selangor at www.t4tbh.blogspot.com. I suspect that it is part of a counter strategy that is being deployed by certain people to deflect the current issue surrounding TBH. Who are they? I can safely assume that what you ever think is right.
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- Picture sent to me by readers
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12. A reader sent me the last photo (from kosmo) which I have enlarged and marked accordingly. From this angle, the wound in the buttock is clearer. The two legs appears fractured. The presence of a kerb that contribute to the direction of blood flow is also confirmed. There is visible signs that there is a hip fracture. The last piece of picture conclusively prove that his injuries are consistent with a fall from height.
Please note that
(a) There is no watch on the left wrist right shoe looks odd, as if the base came off the main shoe leaving behind the glue marks.
(b) The sole of the right shoe looks odd. It appears that the sole is split from the main shoe leaving behind glue marks on the main shoe
Disclaimer
The above writing is based on assessment of various images and writings on the mainstream media (MSM) as well as the online media. I am trying to understand the tragedy that took place at Plaza Masalam. It would be great if I have access to MACC office and location where the body was found but without such access, readers can expect some gross margin of error in my writing. Do let me know what the errors are so that we can come to a clear conclusion on what transpired
Dr Rafick, what’s your take on this postmortem?
http://www.malaysiakini.com/doc/benghock_report.php
Why the insistence that the victim fell from the 14th floor? From the looks of it, it looks like he fell from a lower floor which may explain no blood splatter. The latch could have been planted there to divert attention away from the real crime scene. Also why is there no question of fingerprints before DNA test? If it’s wiped out, won’t it be even more suspicious?
Dear Dr Rafick:
Let me share some (update) write from Suara Keadilan current issue — Frontpage ran a story on “Teoh Beng Hock — dead before the fall?” which among others, quoted MP Dr Lee Boon Chye as saying that the signs of the body position, injuries etc do not tally with “suicide”. In all cases of suicide, the victim normally would outstretch his/her hands (on reflex, my understanding as a layperson…), so the “side-inclined position” of Teoh BH as seen on the 5th level balcony at Palaz Massalam ruled out a suicide. Dr Lee even suggested the body could have been “placed” there, meaning Teoh had died earlier and brought there from another place (like within the 14th floor where MACC hq is…)
Maybe Dr Rafick you could get a copy of SK (RM2 only:) and find time to do a translation? Cheers to all EsteemedReaders hear/here, YL, Desi
I read what Dr. Lee said. It can actually be found here, http://sesamaislam.wordpress.com/2009/07/26/era-najib-altantuya-teoh-pengsan-atau-mati-sebelum-terjatuh/
I think what Dr. Lee said was that Teoh could have already been dead or unconcious before he was thrown out as he suffered serious injuries on only one side.
Would it be possible to post the online link of Dr. Lee’s assessment here.
To All Bloggers,
When we don’t get the Auto. to tell us what they assume happen, then it’s just right for all of us to make our own assumptions.
Dr not in CSI Field ,
Can u please define ASSUMPTION…..? Let me post the question. Define them both in normal circumstance and when u have a benefit in doubt. Both in Lay man terms and in Medical terms.
Dear Dr. Not In CSI Field,
After reading ur comments above I can only just that ur a Grad. from a Indon U ? Please brush up and don’t get carried away because ………general public op. on gov. is at the lowest web and getting u to comment on drraffick’s post is a FARCE!
Assalamualaikum..
Assumption, assumption….
dear drrafick,
Sincerely, I think, all the doctor worldwide will agree that assumption in any medical field is unethical..
Drrafick, I think that your so call “CSI findings” is very misleading.. especially to the laymen…
any comment by a professional and ethical doctor is always based on the thorough history and detailed examination… (Post mortem la for TBH case).. and not by only “invistigated” “blur” pictures and assumed that and this based on “khabar2 angin”…
If la…. I said “if” true that the DAP “underground” team that killed TBH and this is their doing, but b’coz yr blog, leads M’sia peoples to think and accuse MACC that killed TBH… then, how would you face Allah later in Akhirat? Sure Allah will ask, what happend to your oath???
I think in this case police is more professional than you… when they didn’t sure what cause of TBH dead, the only report as “mati mengejut”.
I sure you, as a “senior” doctor also will not like it if another doctor make an assumption right? cause it is detrimental to others… and you will see how damaging your comment wil be later.
This is only a humble comment, from a doctor to a doctor… People nowadays.. only take what thay like, and hardly believe the truth.. and drrafick.. believe in our colleagues who doing the post-mortem.. and I believe.. they know the best..
as my old wise teacher said when I was a students “Assumption, is really a Mo*******er” sorry
Dear Dr
(1) Please read my disclaimer
Dr Rafick,
It’s only a joke! Hahaha………
Dear amiadarone
(1) I have no doubt in the PM findings. In fact I cant have doubt because the police has not released the findings
(2) Assumption based on sound and reasonable medical knowledge and basis is acceptable
(3) You said MACC killed Teoh. I theorized that he died accidentally and body disposed accordingly. There are mounting evidence to support such theory.
(4) You are saying my theory is flawed but you have not given a shred or argument to counter my professional opinion. I am open and ever ready to listen to your counter argument (professionally of course)
(5) You must understand the medico legal term that police use when they say someone died from “sudden death”
(6) Maybe you can share with us the PM report and then we can make the necessary conclusion.
To Dr not in CSI Field.
Hello, kawan.
Reading thro your comments, it seems to me U don’t really understand the Main Topic under discussion here. Have U been following from the beginning ?
If Not, kindly go back to “MACC death tragedy – My untrained CSI techniques
19/07/2009 by drrafick” … specifically para1.
You see, all comments made here (including mine) are based on media reports (both MSM and alternative). There is no real evidence in hand as such, because we don’t have direct access to them.
The only evidence are the pictures taken on the same afternoon 16Jul09 by reporters from various Newspapers and were published the following day,17Jul09.(For info, any picture published AFTER 17July2009 – the whole or certain part of the picture May have be “doctored” or retouched).
So to save other readers here the monotony of repeating all the comments already made, I think it’s fair to summarize – discuss the Topic and not “Hantam” individuals for their opinions.
As you can see, I don’t comment on You as a person (like your background, qualifications, medical specialisation, etc). I only comment on your comments.
Yes.We may agree or not disagree with each other…But can we agree to Disagree ? (I hope U comprehend the latter).
Cheers, and be happy while commenting .
Dr,
What happens after you discover the truth?
Are you going to present your findings to the police?
Or is it just for your reference to tell the people if indeed the official finding contradicts your findings.
The laceration on his palms and mount of his palm is not due to any cut but bruises from climbing out of the window. The marks caused is consistent with a right-handed person climbing out of the window – first a horizontal mark where the palm is aligned along the window sill. When he is on the other side the mark is parallel to his wrist. There should be some similar marks on the left hand. The bruises could also suggest that he held on for some time. This is very likely as there is no foot hold.
In my opinion, Teoh was still handcuffed when he died.
The laceration on his palms and mount of his palm is not due to any cut but bruises from climbing out of the window. The marks caused is consistent with a right-handed person climbing out of the window – first a horizontal mark where the palm is aligned along the window sill. When he is on the other side the mark is parallel to his wrist. There should be some similar marks on the left hand. The bruises could also suggest that he held on for some time. This is very likely as there is no foot hold. – Morning Dew
In my opinion, Teoh was still handcuffed when he died.
REMEMBER NORITA and DNA of UNIDENTIFIED person…
The rest make your own conclusion.
Too much viewing AXN… even the coroner cant fools the ordinary men nowadays.
Maybe I will like the foreign expert help as in the Nurul jazlin case.
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