• Home
  • 1-a’bangsa
  • Classics
  • LOL
  • My CSI
  • PIBG
  • TBU Hillside
  • UK Bistari

rights2write

"Believe nothing, no matter where you read it or who has said it, not even if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense."

Feeds:
Posts
Comments

PUSRAWI Medical Report.. did RPK erred?

29/07/2008 by drrafick

1. As usual and expected, RPK made another stunning revelation about the so call medical report from PUSRAWI with the far-reaching conclusion that the report suggest that there was no sodomy. I feel very upset when I saw the article that RPK wrote. Let me explain why.

2. First of all, it is not a medical report. It is a doctor Out Patient notes. Going by the letterhead, it could have been PUSRAWI record but I cannot be sure because in the cause of my work I have never had the opportunity of seeing any similar documents from PUSRAWI. On the document, it shows that it was signed and the rubber stamp shows the name of Dr Mohamed Osman Abdul Hamid. He is a medical officer and probably has done some PR examination in his lifetime. Obviously, it would not be as frequent as a gastroenterologist would.

3. I am going to share with you on what was written on that piece of paper and why I feel RPK has stretched his imagination a bit too far. On the paper, it was written that the patient complains of Tenesmus of one-week duration. The word Tenesmus means difficulty or straining when passing motion. Usually patients do not come to clinics and say they have Tenesmus. They will say that they have not been able or having difficulty in passing motion. I wonder why the doctor uses the word Tenesmus. Whatever it is, the note indicates that the problem has been around for one week. The duration is important.

4. Among others it is also written that the patient did not observe any blood whenever passing out stools. I am no expert in handwriting but if one were to see, there are marked differences in the style and quality of writing after the sentence “not noticed any PR bleed”. In my assessment the medical history is badly taken. It keeps repeating the same thing where it says about pain in the anus and not noticing blood in the stools. It was noted that the doctor wrote that the “patient was alleged assaulted by intruding a plastic item in anus” I could not make out what was written in the next line. The person who wrote this notes failed to document the date and time of the allege incident. This is important. In the medical world when doctor writes some thing happens one week ago may not necessary means that it actually happens 7 days ago. The date and time is important as it has an impact on the injury and potential wounds that has taken place.

5. On the following page of the medical notes some scribbles notes can be observed. Among others, that I can make out includes no pallor and no fever (opallor, o febrile). While it might be the style of writings of some doctors but most doctor put the null sign after the word and not before it (e.g. palloro) . This is the first time I saw a doctor writing putting the null sign before the word in my 20 years of being a doctor.

6. In the next paragraph, general examination shows that there was no pallor, he was comfortable and afebrile (no fever) . It was noted that a per rectal examination was done (P/R) and there was no active bleeding, no ulcer or pus seen, No injury seen, No tear seen.

RPK wrote that “The doctor’s report (which can be viewed below) says that there is zero (0) skin tearing, zero (0) active bleeding, zero (0) traces of pus, etc., which basically means he can’t be suffering from a pain in the anus as what he alleges.” With much regret, I am in the opinion that RPK has jump the gun and made a far-reaching conclusion. His conclusions were unfair. It did not take into account the factor of time that has taken place. It has also not look at the issue of the mechanism of injury. I will deal with this in the later paragraph.

9. The doctor made the diagnosis TRO Assault (Sodomise). The short form TRO is a common terminology that is use by doctors, which means “To Rule Out” . What it means here is that, the doctor is in the opinion that the diagnosis of sodomy need to be rule out and not as what RPK has interpreted that it has been rule out. ( RPK says: The doctor’s diagnosis is that he rules out or TRO (to rule out) assault (sodomised)). Again, RPK has jump the gun and made the wrong conclusion. RPK also mention that “In short: Mohd Saiful Bukhari Bin Azlan is not suffering any pain in the anus and neither was he assaulted or sodomised in the anus”. Well RPK, I feel you have put words, which the doctor did not say.

10. Under the heading of “Rawatan”, the person wrote “Advice to go to government hospital” and “(plan to do a police report)” RPK wrote “Saiful then said he would like to make a police report so Dr Mohamed Osman suggested he go for a second medical examination at a government hospital”. I think there is a twist here. The writings did not say that the doctor advice him to go to hospital because he wants to make a police report but merely stating that the patient has indicated that he wants to make a police report.

11. Under the circumstances, it is quite clear that what the good person (doctor) have done is the right thing. He has advice the patient to go to the government hospital for a second opinion. This is a norm. I am sure he made that advice because, no private specialist or doctors wants to be involved with such a headache. This is a norm. Private hospitals tend to push death cases, potential medico legal cases to government hospital. They will not take it. The person action is justified.

12. RPK continues to narrate his writing in his usual fashion. I have a lot of respect for RPK and I know he has a large following. However, I think RPK should not have made such conclusion just to set the mind of the readers. In this case, especially when many readers would have jump to the conclusion on seeing the writings and the PUSRAWI medical notes. This is simply irresponsible. This would make people to lose their trust on you, RPK.

13. Please, allow me to interpret and explain what the person who wrote the notes has written. This is based on the 2-piece document that RPK published.

· This is a case of a male by the name of MSB with an IC No 850706015687. He went to see a doctor about one week after being alleged assaulted with a plastic object in his anus.

· There was no mention about the plastic object details like its length, width, thickness and hardness. If it was a small and soft plastic object and has been lubricated then, it is expected that a tear did not take place. If it is a big object like a proctoscope and adequately lubricated, there will be no tear. For a tear to take place, the object must have not been lubricated and probably of a decent size. If it is a small object, it must have been sharp and was done against the persons will. If the person is experience with anal sex, his action was voluntarily, then I do not expect any tear.

· The patient did not complain that he has seen any blood in the stools. This was confirms by the examination which shows that there was no tear or ulcer.

· The examination was very limited in value as it is only a PR and not a proctoscope. It is not even mention about the prostate size, the tension of the anal sphincter or colour of stools, which means that the doctor probably did not put his finger into the patient anus.

· In most likelihood, the doctor merely does an external anus examination, which will not show longitudinal mucosal anal tear if it was present. The fact that there was no complains of seeing blood means that there is no vascular tear. There was no infection and as such, there would be no pus.

14. In conclusion, I would like to say that RPK has misinterpreted the facts. He has also exaggerated the interpretation of the doctor writings. I think who ever has been advising him , has not given a fair opinion His writings have come to such a skewed conclusion and now his writings is being politicised. Overall, I think this medical note has not proved or disapprove anything.

Below is the medical notes that is extracted from Malaysia Today. It is place here for easy reading and analysis


Possibly related posts: (automatically generated)

  • Dr Osman Medical report 2?
  • RPK- Spins again?
  • It’s a shame we need a study for this, but…

Posted in Malaysia My Home | Tagged Anwar, Medical Report, Medical Report Saiful, Pusrawi, Raja Petra, Raja Petra PUSRAWI, RPK, Saiful Bahari, sodomy | 120 Comments

120 Responses

  1. on 24/07/2009 at 2:37 PM key ki

    Hi dR. are you angry with me?
    sorry if i made you angry , i think i was too much in my comment. I should have respected you, your feelings as well with your experiences. I’m so sorry again.
    i would not want to comment something rude next time.
    regards,
    dr.


  2. on 23/07/2009 at 5:18 PM key ki

    hi dr Rafik ,
    I’m A DOCTOR MYSELF , AND I PUT no SOB / no Bleeding /
    no Swelling …. before the word. You were a an ex military doctor, and you were not exposed much with other doctors as well the writings …( i guess) . So please do not try to simply claim some facts without getting exposed well .
    take ,
    Dr. R.d


    • on 23/07/2009 at 5:28 PM drrafick

      Dear Dr
      I dont quite understand your comment.
      I think you do not know me enough to prejudge me and similarly i will not prejudge you. Rather than making generalized statement as above, why don’t you read what I wrote and argue professionally with me. Let see whether you and I have been exposed adequately in the medical and non medical world.

      Email me drrafick@gmail.com and we shall have a professional discourse. Take the challenge and show the weakness in my argument.


      • on 24/07/2009 at 9:10 AM key ki

        “On the following page of the medical notes some scribbles notes can be observed. Among others, that I can make out includes no pallor and no fever (o pallor, o febrile). While it might be the style of writings of some doctors but most doctor put the null sign after the word and not before it (e.g. pallor o) . This is the first time I saw a doctor writing putting the null sign before the word in my 20 years of being a doctor.”

        YOU ARE VERY WRONG WITH THE ABOVE FACT – i WRITES null before the word! AND YOU CLAIM YOURSELF THAT YOU BEING A DOCTOR FOR 20 YEARS DIDNT SEE SUCH WRITING ?! i’ve known many doctors writes null before the word . So please retract your statement as above.

        i UNDERSTAND THAT you were in Military – To that we know you are not much exposed especially in general hospitals and private well known hospitals. Are you specialized in something ? or you were a general practitioner?- as i knew most of the military doctors are general practitioners. please DO NOT MIND my comment . argue with me if you think i’m wrong.
        thanks ,
        DR rd


  3. on 29/11/2008 at 12:39 AM anon

    RPK = Raja Putar Keliling


  4. on 07/09/2008 at 10:41 AM Kyar

    all dear readers
    we, burmese community labled dr osman as ‘brave doctor’ and we are stongly behind him. monitoring situation very closely, and the articals about the dr osman has been heavily circulated in burmese language blogs. time to time events has been e-maild to US department of state by ten of thousand of burmese.


  5. on 20/08/2008 at 11:01 AM Jackpot hitter

    Lets just think general, not scientific:
    What I don’t understand is why Saiful says that it was Anwar who sodomized him? And if I remember clearly, Anwar was charged with sodomy a few years ago. How could Anwar commit the same crime over again? No one would dare to do such a serious crime over and over again. It seems quite illogical. Also, Saiful CLAIMED that he was sodomised by Anwar. Would Anwar even have the strength to sodomise a man who is way younger than him and have more strength?


  6. on 11/08/2008 at 11:33 PM Maz

    I believe what Raja Petra said is the truth!


  7. on 10/08/2008 at 3:38 PM drrafick

    Dear Wang
    I appreciate your views. What I have done is assessing the medical notes and not talk about other matter related to Anwar. The problem is many readers are not able to stay focus on the article and extrapolate in their mind that the above article and tying it up with Anwars case and his guilt.

    You are entitled in your views on the fact that I am in perpetual denial. That is your views. I think I know myself abit better than anyone else.

    In my assessment, until I see a solid evidence, no one is guilty. Please dont jump into conclusion


  8. on 10/08/2008 at 2:52 PM William Wang

    Dear Dr. Rafick,
    Many readers viewed your medical explanation with an intention to shade an element of doubt on the guilt of DSAI in which is deceptive. The same way some of your readers tried to create a doubt on your medical capability or even questioned what you said you were. As we know, based on the present evidence and the chronology of events that led to the charge of sodomy, the circumstances pointed that such an event did not happened out-weighted the otherwise. However, in its highest regard in the court of law, should there be a shred of doubt then there should be no conviction, meaning Saiful had been lying. To many, the perception is such, again base on present evidence, DSAI should not have even been charged. Such a charade had to be politically motivated. Do not say again that your article is based on facts and being academic, otherwise you will be in perpetual self-denial.
    Best regards
    williamjhwang


  9. on 09/08/2008 at 3:48 AM pemerhati

    Dear Rafick,
    It’s easy, just gives us a simple free conclusion on the reports or notes (as what you claimed it was not the medical report), however, when I myself as a patient 2 month’s ago being examine by the doctor at the Pusrawi Hospital, I saw the exact format report being taken and no other report was seen written by the Dr involved. After the report was signed I then left the place .

    What will be the status of the report. Was that note original or there is another report written without my knowledge?


  10. on 08/08/2008 at 11:43 PM juragan

    Good to follow the writings. In all I can say is that not much you can deduced from the clinical notes. Maybe once the medical report is requested from pusrawi then it will shed some lights should somebody like RPK got it. What I observe people are desperate to concur with whatever in the report is suggestive of sodomy or otherwise and I will agree with Dr Rafick that will neither prove nor disapprove anything. My comment
    1 there is no complete detail history ( of what have been told by the patient. Tenesmus was rather a misnomer. Suddenly come the plastic object. What I can assume and I can be wrong i is that both can occur) another thing to look for in those practicing this kind of sexual act with or without consent is the funneling of the anal area bcoz of frequent blunt force plainly if the area is still flat then it is quite unlikely but again it requires repeated act to leave that mark
    2 personnaly I dont blame the doctor bcoz he was not trained to look for evidences of sodomy in detail and he has done the right thing by advocating the second opinion. True enough bcoz only the forensic medicine specialist will further look for the evidence and the doctor just start the ball rolling. So again we cannot force ourselves to come up with any decision just by trying to interpret the clinical notes even worst when you are not in the medical line just like trying to give the score for the olympics springboard by looking at the ripple in the pool
    2


  11. on 07/08/2008 at 8:15 PM Dr Osman Medical report 2? « drrafick - Rights 2 Write

    [...] Popular PUSRAWI Medical Report.. did RPK erred?What la you.. Anwar.. PUSRAWI Press Conference.. a bigger blunderThe truth .. is between Najib and [...]


  12. on 07/08/2008 at 1:20 PM DalaiLlama

    Maybe you would like to say something on the latest revelation by the PUSRAWI Doctor?

    Now don’t go denigrating him just give us your factual comment.


  13. on 06/08/2008 at 8:15 AM loreng

    I see that the reliability of polygraph test is not fully established yet.

    Spies are able to fake it because of their training.

    The examples given by Wikipedia suggest that the polygraph test is still useful as additional element to pin the guilty party in the present sodomy scandal.

    In the US polygraph test results are accepted for the supervision of sex offenders.

    Hope to hear the response from Anwar and Saiful soon.


  14. on 06/08/2008 at 6:29 AM drrafick

    Dear loreng

    Good suggestion. Both Anwar and Saiful must do the polygraph (lie detector). However there is a word of caution, the test is not 100% accurate and you can actually fake it if one knows how.

    Read more here

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygraph#Reliability


  15. on 06/08/2008 at 6:25 AM drrafick

    Dear nsg287

    a.Sodomy is an english word- used commonly in the legal and medical profession

    b. What to do if after 20 years of being a doctor I have not seen a null sign before a word. Maybe I have not seen enough reports. Anyway it is an observation. I did not say it is wrong.

    c. My professor in college used to say this ” The eyes will not see what the mind does not know” There is no such thing as “sodomy medical examination or non sodomy medical examination”

    Doing a medical examination is like detective work. It is like looking for needle in a haystack. If one does not know how the needle looks like, then it would be difficult to find it. The basic knowledge is you must know how a needle looks like and visualize it and then you go and look for it. Same in medical, if the doctor knows what sodomy is , he or she would know where to look and if can imagine the act, it would pick up the signs with ease.


  16. on 06/08/2008 at 12:35 AM loreng

    Why not back-up the Medical Reports with a Lie Detector Test conducted by a neutral party.Perhaps we shall know who is lying.

    Is that possible?


« Older Comments

Comments are closed.

  • Expectations

    • 938,308 readers
  • Up periscope

  • Voulez vous

    • Matrade Expo center: Direct negotiation must stop!
    • TALAM & Selangor Government – Cleaning up previous government mess
    • Bukit Antarabangsa landslide: Did the government know that it will happen?
    • Terimakasih, MB dan Kerajaan Negeri Selangor
    • Bukit Antarabangsa, Official secret Act and our Maharajah
    • Sudah potong?
    • PI Bala- The last thorn in the flesh? (BALA membawa bala..)
    • Hello Najib… some ideas for you to think about
    • Perak: The Final curtain for Nizar?
    • Wang ehsan.. My foot!
    • 1-School system and 1-Malaysia
    • “Muslims in Perlis not the same as Muslims in Selangor”.
    • PAS EGM: What is in Nik Aziz mind?
    • Death at MACC: My CSI XVI – Making sense of the 80% probability
    • Death at MACC: My CSI XV
  • Most laku

    • TALAM & Selangor Government – Cleaning up previous government mess
    • Bukit Antarabangsa landslide: Did the government know that it will happen?
    • PI Bala- The last thorn in the flesh? (BALA membawa bala..)
    • Terimakasih, MB dan Kerajaan Negeri Selangor
    • Matrade Expo center: Direct negotiation must stop!
    • Sudah potong?
    • Bukit Antarabangsa, Official secret Act and our Maharajah
    • Hello MACC.. are you at home?
    • Death at MACC: My CSI XVI – Making sense of the 80% probability
    • Wang ehsan.. My foot!
    • My CSI
    • Perak: The Final curtain for Nizar?
  • historical stuff

  • Market place

    beavie on TALAM & Selangor Governmen…
    Rainstorm on Matrade Expo center: Direct ne…
    drrafick on TALAM & Selangor Governmen…
    beavie on Matrade Expo center: Direct ne…
    anuar_beavie on TALAM & Selangor Governmen…
    Navi on TALAM & Selangor Governmen…
    Lia on Matrade Expo center: Direct ne…
    Lia on Matrade Expo center: Direct ne…
    Ak on TALAM & Selangor Governmen…
    drrafick on TALAM & Selangor Governmen…
    dragonfly on TALAM & Selangor Governmen…
    kb on TALAM & Selangor Governmen…
    balasi on Terimakasih, MB dan Kerajaan N…
    Moonrider on TALAM & Selangor Governmen…
    balasi on Terimakasih, MB dan Kerajaan N…

Blog at WordPress.com.

Theme: Mistylook by Sadish.